Andrew Tate

[daydreamer95]

If that's the excuse their lawyer is using then it does seem like they've got little defense.

The amount of misinformation on this whole thing is of the scale, seems higher than russian bot farms. And the amount of people that believe something just because they've seen a popular tweet .

I think they need a new Lawyer this guy has dealt with speeding fines and transfers of companies for them in the past these serious charges could be beyond his experience scumbags or not they are entitled to a defence

In the appeal the govt wanted to hold them to prevent flight and interference with the case/witnesses they cited examples of online content

Their Lawyer I think tried to say to the court ignore the times the Tates said things like we have lots of passports and have no regard for women or the law etc that was just for entertainment these are not their true views

For the actual charges this online persona bs can’t be applied if they have evidence such as wiretaps chat logs etc - the defence has not had access to the full prosecution file according to their Lawyer so we don’t know what evidence there is

They are now open to fraud tax evasion and money laundering

Alex Bodi was arrested on human trafficking that all went quiet it’s things like that make me feel could this get dropped as well

 

[Blueblue123]

Vice has got a hold of alleged incriminating audio of Andrew telling a woman he likes raping her.

This is the victim that brought charges against him in 2013, so not part of the current investigation.

Trigger warning for anyone who chooses to listen

‘I Love Raping You’: What Andrew Tate Told Woman Who Accused Him of Rape

Exclusive: VICE World News has obtained WhatsApp messages and voicenotes sent by Andrew Tate to a woman who accused him of a 2013 rape. She said police told her they believed her account, but authorities declined to prosecute.

www.vice.com

It's disgusting because she would have sent this to the police but apparently it wasn't enough to convict. Honestly the justice system gets me so angry sometimes.

 

[soymilk]

omg he is vile, a nasty piece of work

 

[Blueblue123]

omg he is vile, a nasty piece of work

Everything about him sickens me. He's a terrible person.

 

[tarkathrotter]

He’s the Jimmy saville of this era. Big personality and hiding in plain sight.

 

[Rich Aunty]

He makes me sick, they need to lock him away for good

 

[pepe le pew]

He’s a typical impotent narcissist. He surrounded himself with iffy looking Romanian women. He clearly cannot come.

 

[Neycroo]

Anyone interested in Mr small D look it up on Google
kissofacobra skype private
With his blonde ex. He is tit!

 

[sillymoomoo2]

Over on the Odonnells thread is this delightful little conspiracy nutjob tate arselicker “just because you don’t like him” too right I don’t, but clearly this person missed all the other points made

 

[daydreamer95]

This is my own interpretation people do S&M like role play some want to be dominated others submissive

Andrew Tate from everything I have seen isn’t interested in consensual role play he seems in my mind to get off on wielding absolute power over these women

They admit to targeting naive teenagers/women that have limited to no sexual experience who is getting them into the S&M in the first place if that’s what it is?

It’s almost like a pipeline of grooming people into doing things they wouldn’t have otherwise considered and they train women they have already abused/conditioned on how to deceive other women into being exploited in return for better treatment for themselves

 

[tarkathrotter]

the whole s and m scene sounds v dodgy to me. Find it hard to believe a woman
Would want to be “owned” by a man. No one is ever owning me !

 

[blobby]

'He hit me and it felt like a kiss'

I think s&m is the wrong word. I don't know what you would call it... but some girls love jealousy and power in men. Absolutely love it and it makes them feel special and wanted that the person doesn't want them to go speak to other men or go out without them knowing they are safe. I don't think we should tell women just because you don't personally feel that way that this is wrong. And vice versa I'm sure there are some men that enjoy this too.

Is there a term for this? Because that is what is going on here more so than s&m, its very consensual and very wanted from both parties.

And with the only fans thing, what hot girl isn't doing this nowadays, if they give him some profit for them to be able to work somewhere and help talking to guys then I don't see the issue with that. 'Loverboy technique 'which again I'm sure they do actually enjoy being around a lot of these girls aswell as the work side, they are gorgeous, it's their choice to stay there and the Tates social media hardly hides the fact they are not going to be the only ones in their life, is that worse then the technique go work 10 hour shifts otherwise you cant pay your bills at the end of the month society has. I'm sure these girls can pay their bills just fine and have more free time than you or I.

 

[Clarity456]

'He hit me and it felt like a kiss'

I think s&m is the wrong word. I don't know what you would call it... but some girls love jealousy and power in men. Absolutely love it and it makes them feel special and wanted that the person doesn't want them to go speak to other men or go out without them knowing they are safe. I don't think we should tell women just because you don't personally feel that way that this is wrong. And vice versa I'm sure there are some men that enjoy this too.

Is there a term for this? Because that is what is going on here more so than s&m, its very consensual and very wanted from both parties.

And with the only fans thing, what hot girl isn't doing this nowadays, if they give him some profit for them to be able to work somewhere and help talking to guys then I don't see the issue with that. 'Loverboy technique 'which again I'm sure they do actually enjoy being around a lot of these girls aswell as the work side, they are gorgeous, it's their choice to stay there and the Tates social media hardly hides the fact they are not going to be the only ones in their life, is that worse then the technique go work 10 hour shifts otherwise you cant pay your bills at the end of the month society has. I'm sure these girls can pay their bills just fine and have more free time than you or I.

With the only fans thing, no woman should be pressurised to start posting pornographic content of themselves to the world if it's not 100% their own decision WTF

 

[daydreamer95]

the whole s and m scene sounds v dodgy to me. Find it hard to believe a woman
Would want to be “owned” by a man. No one is ever owning me !

On the owning and having a slave thing the women are also being branded with tattoos

This is unrelated but it reminded me of Ariel Castro neighbours reported to the police 2 years prior to it all coming to light that four women were seen with dog collar leashes on all fours in the garden led by three men

The police did not enter the property or take it further allowing those women to be further abused according to reports was this put down to consensual S&M by the police Ffs

You will see discussions on many platforms with people like the Tate brothers talking about sick tactics on how to manipulate, abuse and exploit people

How many others have taken that Pimp course on the Hustlers University and gone out and done the exact same thing or worse

 

[IGiveUp22]

'He hit me and it felt like a kiss'

I think s&m is the wrong word. I don't know what you would call it... but some girls love jealousy and power in men. Absolutely love it and it makes them feel special and wanted that the person doesn't want them to go speak to other men or go out without them knowing they are safe. I don't think we should tell women just because you don't personally feel that way that this is wrong. And vice versa I'm sure there are some men that enjoy this too.

Is there a term for this? Because that is what is going on here more so than s&m, its very consensual and very wanted from both parties.

And with the only fans thing, what hot girl isn't doing this nowadays, if they give him some profit for them to be able to work somewhere and help talking to guys then I don't see the issue with that. 'Loverboy technique 'which again I'm sure they do actually enjoy being around a lot of these girls aswell as the work side, they are gorgeous, it's their choice to stay there and the Tates social media hardly hides the fact they are not going to be the only ones in their life, is that worse then the technique go work 10 hour shifts otherwise you cant pay your bills at the end of the month society has. I'm sure these girls can pay their bills just fine and have more free time than you or I.

sorry are you basically saying the tate’s haven’t done anything wrong here and the females are consenting and making money so it’s okay?
I’ve struggled to understand your post that’s why I am asking.

If that is the case, I think you need to do a bit more research into human trafficking, grooming, controlling and coercive behaviour.
The situation described by the women here is classic human trafficking techniques to get women into sexual exploitation. This is my area of work.

Often the women fall for these men/the idea of the promise of a better life. But in reality, they’re degraded, threatened, experience violence & don’t get the money for the “job”. They live in fear of their exploiters and Often feel trapped as they have no way out of the situation. Especially if they’re living in fear. Think of it like Stockholm syndrome.

I am very baffled by people that can just dismiss their behaviour & their comments & think they’re “good guys”

edited for spelling

 

[Blueblue123]

He’s the Jimmy saville of this era. Big personality and hiding in plain sight.

Jimmy saville at least pretended to have a good side with his charity work (ugh, I feel sick even typing that, feels like I'm defending him/seeing the "good" in him. I know that was his manipulation technique).

But there is nothing likeable about the Tates. They don't even say particularly favourable or uplifting things about men. The only people they care about is themselves, how does that draw you to a person?

'He hit me and it felt like a kiss'

I think s&m is the wrong word. I don't know what you would call it... but some girls love jealousy and power in men. Absolutely love it and it makes them feel special and wanted that the person doesn't want them to go speak to other men or go out without them knowing they are safe. I don't think we should tell women just because you don't personally feel that way that this is wrong. And vice versa I'm sure there are some men that enjoy this too.

Is there a term for this? Because that is what is going on here more so than s&m, its very consensual and very wanted from both parties.

And with the only fans thing, what hot girl isn't doing this nowadays, if they give him some profit for them to be able to work somewhere and help talking to guys then I don't see the issue with that. 'Loverboy technique 'which again I'm sure they do actually enjoy being around a lot of these girls aswell as the work side, they are gorgeous, it's their choice to stay there and the Tates social media hardly hides the fact they are not going to be the only ones in their life, is that worse then the technique go work 10 hour shifts otherwise you cant pay your bills at the end of the month society has. I'm sure these girls can pay their bills just fine and have more free time than you or I.

Then why don't we hear from these women themselves? If it's so consensual and beneficial to the women, then why does Andrew spend his time coaching men on how to get women into this line of work? If it's so consensual, why doesn't Andrew open his discussions up to women and allow them to engage with him?

If it's equally beneficial to the men and women involved, why do we rarely hear from the women?

Anyway, it's nothing new for victims of sexual assault to try and regain power by convincing themselves or others that they somehow agreed to what happened to them. Sometimes it's easier than admitting that you didn't have full control over what happened to your own body.

I'm not saying it's impossible for women who do sex work have full control, but when there's a clear power imbalance we should approach with skepticism.

 

[daydreamer95]

@blobby It was interesting to read how you saw the situation I have seen other people say similar

Do you think all of the women had a positive experience or can you accept that some of them even if it’s just one woman could have been exploited and abused?

 

[Its_Me]

I’ve mentioned this before on another thread can’t remember which now but I know someone who was in what she thought was a ‘consensual’ dominant/slave relationship and she’s had to have years of therapy to get over it. I’m not saying there can’t be relationships of that type that are consensual and wanted by both parties but typically there is some kind of underlying issues there even when it’s thought to be consensual.

 

[tarkathrotter]

50 shades has a lot to answer for.

 

[pecan]

Surely people aren’t really categorising the Tate’s behaviour as S&M? It’s nothing to do with S&M and practically anyone active in the kink community would hate to be tarred with the same brush as AT, surely?! He’s an absolute monster.