Amanda Palmer

[ElpisWept]

Her husband is in the UK, for the premiere of The Sandman series, and she's in America with their son. Still think their marriage is either over, or getting there. A gut feeling, but I could be very wrong.

 

[AX808]

Her husband is in the UK, for the premiere of The Sandman series, and she's in America with their son. Still think their marriage is either over, or getting there. A gut feeling, but I could be very wrong.

I think I remember Amanda saying that they were getting a divorce. 2 years ago? I forget.

 

[ElpisWept]

I think I remember Amanda saying that they were getting a divorce. 2 years ago? I forget.

They were going to, but he got back to New Zealand and she stopped saying it and started just vaguely hinting at it, instead.

 

[AX808]

Well, I hope she doesn't get a divorce. Because I can feel that she is actually weaker and very sensitive on the inside than she is on the outside.

I like a lot of Amanda's records and some of her personality. She is also very capable, talented and intelligent. But something I could detect about her is that she is very serious and sensitive about everything, literally everything. I felt that she was miserable about it but couldn't get away from it. I still love Amanda, but rarely follow her, and I wish she could have taken it easy.

she is truly a romantic soul. I may not get along with her, or that won't stop me from liking her.

 

[Jodenice]

Some of you are very astute!

 

[sweetnessfollows]

She said the n-word in her songs for a decade and got indignant that no one told her it was wrong for a white woman to do that.

Then she got indignant for doing a terrible Encanto cover where the TikTok kids tore into her.

She seems insufferable but divorce isn't fun no matter who you are. I hope their kid is ok bc both her and Neil Gaiman seem exhausting.

 

[sirbenfro]

They've clearly been separated since he abandoned her and their son in the early days of the pandemic. At least they are finally making it clear on their social channels what's going on - as Amanda is a chronic oversharer of all things in her life, its clear that Neil hasn't been a part of her life (besides somewhat absent coparenting) for a few years now.

 

[WillowMulberry]

Honestly, it was always a matter of when, not if. I hope they all (especially their son) have support to deal with this. Personal feelings aside and even with being separated for as long as they were, I can’t imagine this is easy.

 

[PeteM]

I guess Amanda realised that she'd never love anyone else as much as she loves herself.

 

[Eirawen]

Her husband is in the UK, for the premiere of The Sandman series, and she's in America with their son. Still think their marriage is either over, or getting there. A gut feeling, but I could be very wrong.

I hope their son is ok they are strange people to have as parents.

 

[ElpisWept]

She seems to be acting as a single mother, though he occasionally joins them, or seems to look after their son. Like when she went to New Zealand again, this January. They were there for a month, and he went with them. I wonder if she's cut him out or if he's chosen to concentrate on his career for a bit.

She posted this to Twitter, fairly recently:



Their poor son.

 

[jobackhorsewoman]

I really hate how much she shares about her son. She shouldn't be posting about him at all (OK a birth announcement was alright but beyond that, give him privacy).

 

[brianbutterfield]

I wonder if NG has made her sign a NDA.
She used to be mute of an open book. Post divorce she talks in evasive riddles.
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More not mute*

 

[sirbenfro]

She's written a piece about her experience at TED talks, it's an awful lot of words saying not a whole lot...

What it feels like to get divorced—and possibly remarried—at TED 2023

An offering from your emotional-reporter-at-large.

amandapalmer.substack.com

 

[Lonette]

Had some cool songs as part of the Dresden Dolls but comes across as utterly insufferable as an individual.

 

[Dustye]

She's written a piece about her experience at TED talks, it's an awful lot of words saying not a whole lot...

What it feels like to get divorced—and possibly remarried—at TED 2023

An offering from your emotional-reporter-at-large.

amandapalmer.substack.com

You can really see that 2010s school of word salad writing coming through. Jack Monroe, Laurie Penny haven't grown out of it either.

 

[~Blue]

She's written a piece about her experience at TED talks, it's an awful lot of words saying not a whole lot...

What it feels like to get divorced—and possibly remarried—at TED 2023

An offering from your emotional-reporter-at-large.

amandapalmer.substack.com

Her new fanbase is quite ... interesting, going by the comments on this piece.

 

[griftalo]

For better or worse I'm one of her patreons (at this point I just stick around in the lowest tier for the drama), this is her response about the Surface Pressure controversy and everything else that spilled out from it

Spoiler: Very long waffle from Amanda's patreon

I need your input. It's....one of those moments. (*Insert Every Single Circus Emoji*)

**I am, as stated above, reading all comments until this line is deleted**.

While I was working through some stuff in my personal life that had absolutely nothing to do with my art, my career, the internet, or anything public-facing, a classic kerfuffle (as we call it around here) blew my way.

Last week, a discussion about Amanda Palmer blew up on Tiktok: first because people didn't like my rendition of "Surface Pressure", then because the cover itself was deemed an appropriation, and within a few days, the conversation had turned to why I was just generally a terrible person (and a racist, and a transphobe, and an ableist, and an antisemite, and a person who doesn't pay her staff, and the list goes on and on, and is a very familiar list at this point).

One thing I truly love about the low-walled garden of the patreon is this: in these odd moments, I can always come here directly, to you, to talk more quietly, away from the loud arena of social media.

And I also realized something over this past week: I've become much more adept than I used to be at handling the collision of personal/family problems and public-facing/internet problems.

If you read "The Art of Asking", you may remember that around 2012 was one of the hardest stretched of my life and career: it was Kickstarter/Crowdfunding kerfuffle year...but it was also Anthony's cancer and chemo. I'll never be able to untangle those two things, the same way I'll never be able to untangle Anthony's death - and the grief I was dealing with - from Ash's birth. They'll always live together as a pair of beautiful, morbid, bittersweet twins.

In 2012, I wound up fighting two fronts at the same time, the very public, and the very personal.

I remember days when I was sitting with Anthony - my very best friend - in the hospital, watching the chemo drip into his body, and meanwhile my phone was buzzing with the alarm of another 1,000 people on twitter telling me that i was a piece of tit who should just kill myself.

I would walk with Anthony from the hospital parking lot to the house and have to step away because my manager was calling, because someone had hacked into my facebook and was posting violent porn.

I would be sitting with Anthony during his bone marrow transplant, in a sterile room, and I would have to be holding, at the same time, the image of a tweet with a thousand likes about how I was a transphobic anti-semite who should be cancelled.

Things happen at the same time, sometimes. Maybe: all the time?

Anyone dealing with a kerfuffle on the internet, or an abortion off the internet, or a cancelation from a friend or family member, or the dirty secret of a partner who has an addiction and is hitting rock bottom in the basement while you try to explain to the family why they haven't shown up for dinner....basically anybody who's ever dealt with LIFE knows that you are never afforded the luxury of having spacious time to grieve, endless time to deal, scads time to stop everything you're doing and tend to a crisis. You juggle. You try. You attempt to keep pace with the world while still keeping pace with yourself.

And good lord, I know how "internet -> real life" bleed works, I've been dealing with it since 2007. Sometimes a pile-on (or kerfuffle, or whatever you wanna call it) will happen on the internet, but you can ignore it. And sometimes, you know it's more serious when you walk into a party, or a cafe, or start getting sympathetic text messages from your friends "because I am seeing what is happening online". That is happening right now, in my life.

I've now been through a dozen of these moments, perhaps more, in the span of my career. I always learn something, I always come out a little more battered but a little more insightful, and I always take a step back and try to figure out myself, my community, the world, my actions, my artwork and my voice.

I've been making art and being a public figure on the internet for SO LONG and been through SO MANY SHITSTORMS that I really am able to be somewhat dispassionate at this point, and a little bit clinical. Not that these things aren't important. But they don't feel like The End of the World anymore. Ten years ago, they did.

I find myself able to look at things like a professor: What happened? Why? More importantly: Why Now? What are people going through that this is the moment they need to say these things to me, and to each other? Especially if these are things being dredged up from the past that have already been addressed: What do I represent to people? How much of it is "me" (do I still have things to learn, to say, to apologize for, to be accountable for?) and how much of it is "them" (can these people not google the blogs I already wrote about this tit?)

I was having such a hard personal week that I simply walked away from TikTok. I couldn't read the abuse, it was too much to look at. It's pretty horrendous stuff to see about yourself.

But also: I cannot walk away. I always want to be real, accountable. Open. Learning.

I've done some dumb things in my career, for sure, and I've spoken and written at length about those things....and still, the level of abuse that's currently getting leveled at me is pretty seismic.

And YET....also.....I've built up a pretty thick skin over the years. I worry about how thick, sometimes. I don't want to become bitter, or hard.

It's only in moments like this that I get to test the new hardness and thickness, to see what penetrates and gets to my heart and what just bounces off as a broken arrow.

I don't ever want to get so hard that I cannot be bent, that I cannot learn, and join with others in an actual conversation. I never want to live in a bleeping echo chamber. That feels like death.

But even the scale of things doesn't matter to me as much as it used to. And I don't know whether that's good or bad, sometimes.

As of a few days ago, my little 15-second "Surface Pressure" clip has now been viewed over 3 million times on TikTok.....but the more than 30,000 comments (THIRTY. THOUSAND.) on that post and my subsequent posts are along the lines of: "hey bestie whats ur favorite slur" and "U R a racist" and so forth. Endlessly. It's....a lot.

It's not a dialogue about whether the "art" is good or bad anymore; it is not even a dialogue.

It's all stemming from the many moments in my past - all of which have been addressed and blogged about at one point or another, SOMEWHERE on the internet - that keep resurfacing without context.

Most centrally (and probably missing from these many little internet spaces) is the post I wrote over a year ago about the lyrics in "Guitar hero" and "duck tha Police" by NWA (a song I covered on ukulele many years ago)...and about why I have, in the case of "Guitar Hero" changed those lyrics, and, in the case of "duck Tha Police", why I would never cover a song like that again: https://blog.amandapalmer.net/racism-words-art-time-progress/.

I could go on and on, and clarify the other 10 things that keep surfacing, but now...I step back, and I wonder. I big-picture wonder. And I wonder what you all might bring to the table, to this discussion.

I mean: if you know me, I've been here so, so, so many times.

I've always weathered this storm. I will easily weather this one.

I wanted to address one issue very directly, and ask about it, after seeing this on the patron FB page..a place I rarely hang, and a place I hope we can sort of import gradually over to the discord when the time is finally ripe (I know I keep promising, but then life keeps biting me in the ass.....but soon).

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First of all, I want you to know that I'm really listening here.

HERE, for the time being. I cannot go, at the moment, to TikTok and listen. It is too harsh, and too loud to hear anything.

It honestly never occurred to me that covering "Surface Pressure", or any other song from "Encanto", would be considered in poor taste, or appropriation. The patron who requested it, Kya Farquhar, is half filipino. We never discussed this aspect of the cover when it was requested; and I didn't see a hundred patrons (or even one?) on the webcast that day saying "NO!!! AMANDA!!! NOOOOOO! That's a BAD IDEA!"

But no matter: this is still my responsibility. And just because I, or Kya (or any of the patrons on that webcast when it was requested) didn't "catch" this or necessarily think that the song was or wasn't appropriation, well....that doesn't mean that it isn't. Like many things, it's in the eye - or ear - of the receiver. So it's really more about how the song is affecting people. It's about that. It's not about "what I meant". So I would like to come to YOU. And ask. I ask YOU, my patrons, especially my patrons of color, and super-especially if you're Latinx, maybe even from Colombia: and ask.

Does it feel wrong? Does it not sit well? Please talk to me. Clearly some voices are already speaking. I want to know why, and I want to listen.

And as for me "not addressing" the criticism: let me reassure you about that. I stopped looking at TikTok the minute the comments became 99% abusive and I just couldn't handle the fire. That is, in my humble opinion, always the wisest option for one's mental health when something like this is happening. But it also means I stepped out of the civil side of the conversation as well. I want to have it, and I am going to have it, but not while the tenor over there is so hot that I cannot hear other speak, or be heard. Trying to have nuanced conversations on TikTok while everybody is screaming is the equivalent of trying to hold a conversation in a bar while a brawl is happening. You just have to leave the bar.

Trust me: all of this will be addressed. But in a kind, slow, civil manner. I am also going through my own big, personal problems at the moment. So I beg you, Bernadette (and anyone else who's wondering), I'm mostly staying off social media and away from there, not because I can't engage with the content, but because I need to be with my kid. Trust me, believe me. Priorities.

I wonder, though, with these issues.....if things might also be a little more profound, because unlike 2012, I have my patrons to come to. To ask for feedback, for help, for impressions, ideas.

This is where you come in.

I know that many of you aren't on TikTok but some of you may be. It's mostly a platform for a younger generation, and I know that my patrons tend to skew older (especially because there's a paywall), but I know we have at least ONE patron here under 40 (I'm looking at you, Rae...wait! and Angel). But many of you are parents, and might have teenagers that use TikTok, and may have impressions and so on that you could share.

SO: here is what i would ask, and, as usual, I'll read all the comments here (I'm staying off TikTok and other areas of social media right now for my mental health):

What do you think the best way to address this is, right now?

If you've come across this, what would you want to ask me?

What would you want to know, to discuss? To learn about me?

If you were me, and you saw that there were a lot of new people coming my way - with no context about who I am, what I've done, and what's already been discussed - how would you navigate this?

What I am seeing right now is that there are plenty of places on the internet that have compiled lists of reasons Why You Should Hate Amanda Palmer, but I've never actually compiled a list of central resource that addresses each of the issues.

Is it perhaps time to do that? If I did that, would you help me?

Is it time to write one big essay called "Amanda Palmer clarifies all her kerfuffles, for the TikTok generation and anyone else who is interested"?

Is it time to just get off the internet for a couple months? (it seems very tempting).

What is hardest is this: a text message from a random friend on the island saying "hey, someone was talking at a dinner party last night about how sad it is that you're transphobic."

this is gossip, and it pains me.

it especially pains me when i think about my community. my fans, my patrons who are trans. what do they feel when they hear that? do they question whether or not i love them? do they second-guess everything i've ever said about inclusivity and wonder if i'm secretly a TERF?

the same holds try for the racist stuff and my community who or BiPOC. is it just too scary to hang around me? is it too messy? even if my community know that i've done all sort of things to explain why i've made mistakes, multiple mistakes, that covering an NWA song was a dumb idea, and so forth....i wonder if it makes people of color in my community just look at me, and the charges leveled at me, and say "it's just not worth it. she's too hard to be with."

for the record: i think trans people are beautiful. i support trans rights. i believe that trans rights are human bleeping rights and watching what is currently happening in the states with regards to trans rights is horrifying. i think that racism is a huge bleeping problem - in america and the world over - and i think that privileged white people like me still have a duck ton of things to learn and active work to do to understand what moves we need to make to support progress and create justice. i try to do this work. i'm always trying to figure out how my words, my art, my contribution, can add to progress and cause less suffering. for everybody.

PHEW.

I know that was a lot.

But... it's been a lot.

Talk to me.

Blimey, she and Guest have a very similar style. I’d never heard of her until there was a perfume oil collab with her/about her work a good few years ago.
Then there was the work for free for me thing, following the perfumes and I then got the feeling she was a fairly unpleasant self obsessed grifty knobend.

 

[Lucky Escape]

Cross-posting from the Jack Monroe threads with an AP anecdote:

I tagged along with a friend who was interviewing her for a fanzine about 19 or 20 years ago.

There was an incredibly awkward moment when she sneezed over his notebook; no-one said anything, and by the time it became clear that she wasn't going to apologise or even acknowledge it, the opportunity for him to have laughed it off had passed. So he had to pretend that it hadn't happened, and continued to scribble through the splotches of her snot. I can replay the moment in slow-motion in my mind, it was like something from a 1970s sitcom or a Douglas Adams short story.

...

(I've since checked with my friend - apparently the interview was with both[?] of the Dresden Dolls, but it was definitely Amanda Palmer who was the sneezer. He's promised to dig out the notebook in question, so stand by for some snot-stained pictures in a day or two...)

 

[PunkyMonkey]

She seems to be acting as a single mother, though he occasionally joins them, or seems to look after their son. Like when she went to New Zealand again, this January. They were there for a month, and he went with them. I wonder if she's cut him out or if he's chosen to concentrate on his career for a bit.

She posted this to Twitter, fairly recently:



Their poor son.

#DHOTYA2023