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2020two

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I guess it is tempting to double down on youtube when it brings significantly higher revenue than a thankless job in medicine, but it is kinda dissapointing that he chose to go the self help/finance/productivity guru route and do a bit sleazy job at it tbh. A hack on how to short term save money by buying a tesla for your company is not that practical of a advice for his target audience of younger people and students i don't think. I doubt many successful busy business owners have the time to watch Ali Abdaal give them financial advice. It's kinda this spiral of snake oil sales and flashing the success in snake oil sales for more snake oil sales lol
He must be earning a heck of a lot through YouTube etc as he pays his assistant £35,000 😳

I have had him as a Dr 😩 he walked in my room when I was poorly in hospital and I thought oh no it's the bloody bellend from Instagram. He's very awkward and quiet in real life.
 
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2020two

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😳 oh dear. I got quite a few mentions in that video. It was me who said "oh no the Instagram bellend" when he walked into my hospital room, me who told the hospital I didn't want to be cared for by him and me who said he is incredibly awkward and shy with his bedside manner.

Honestly, what does he expect? I was in a terrible state very unwell on a pregnancy ward with my vagina exposed at pretty much all times terrified my baby was going to die. The last thing I wanted was a Dr I don't feel I can trust - I'm sure he was perfectly good at his job but I wouldn't feel safe that he for sure would never discuss patients online. Every other aspect of his life is talked about online. When we were on the same ward he was constantly updating his Instagram stories and showing off about saving lives etc etc -was there nothing more productive he could have been doing? Additionally, I never felt like his heart was really into being a Dr and he just enjoyed being able to say he is one. Which has ended up being pretty damn true now that all he cares about is YouTube and money. Of course I would never want to upset anyone. But I was the patient and if I don't want you looking after me because you make me feel uncomfortable I damn sure will speak up about it.
 
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nvngwork

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I mean the fact that he quit his doctor job during a global pandemic is a pretty good clue that he did not really enjoy being a doctor that much
 
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Comeoneyeleen

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FINALLY, a thread on him!
I'm a current medical student and it's really hard to levy any criticism his way because a lot of students see him almost like the second coming.

I genuinely liked his content a few years ago - it was a bit clickbait-y ("Day in the life of CAMBRIDGE MEDICAL STUDENT" "How a CAMBRIDGE MEDICAL STUDENT studies"), but his tips on studying were really clear and evidence-based. Now, it really just seems to be about making as much money as possible, without really putting out much original content. It always irked me that he put the hashtag #savinglives in all his instagram posts - even when the video was just him studying as medical student. Clinical medical students can do some things to help on the wards, but they really aren't SAVING ANY LIVES. Even when you've just graduated and are working as a foundation doctor for the first year, your abilities are heavily limited.

By all means, he can do what he likes to make money, but it seems like now the focus is just on 1) recycling old ideas into costly video tutorials, 2) releasing a YouTube video on how much these tutorials have earned him, 3) and then advertising the video tutorials by suggesting users can earn as much as he can. And he's not the first one to do this: I know of another YouTuber based in Europe who was making videos as a medical student about how she was going to be "saving lives soon"; after her first year as a doctor, she's left to focus on "other business ventures". These other business ventures are all opportunities she got because people were excited to work with a future doctor, Even on my course, there are LOADS of students who have started vlogging their studies in the hope to become the next Ali Abdaal and make enough money to never need to actually work as a doctor.

And don't let me get started on him putting "Cheeky" in every bloody thing!
 
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hollowcrown

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This came up in my reccomended today and I still cannot believe it's real, and he now talks about toxic productivity 😶 prime example

F*cking pathetic. Part of the art of cinema is voice acting, building tension slowly, being immersed in the moment. Distilling art down to "how can I streamline this experience so I take less time doing it" is an utter insult to creators in artistic medium.

Not really surprised he is still looking for a girlfriend after all this time with his current mindset on relationships and friendships and productivity.

Friendships are not something you can optimise, relationships even more so.

He brags that his Hinge profile says that his perfect relationship is one where he only spends 10% of his time with his partner. That's not going to go well down with most girls in the UK. There's nothing wrong with being your own person and enjoying your own company but going into a new relationship wanting to only spend 10% of your time together is not going to be particularly fun. Take out work (8 hours) and sleeping (8 hours) from your 24 hour day, you are left with 8 hours for yourself. 10% of that is 48 minutes. Ali wants to spend 48 minutes with you every day. Who's going to sign up for that?

On paper this man should be a catch. He's wildly wealthy for his age. He's tall, he has a great education and desirable job. But he can't get a girlfriend. I think it says a lot about his problematic attitudes to productivity.
 
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Magallanes

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What is your legitmitate complaint with Ali?
His vids are well produced and taught me a great deal about money and productivity
Sure, he contributes to toxic productivity but living under capitalism, we have no choice but to partake in hustle culture to survive unless we have rich families to fall back on
You claim Ali is privileged but he comes from a single-parent family
Granted, his mum is a doctor, but his family's finances are about half as much as a family with 2 doctors, or 2 working professional parents

Also, Ali has done videos on effective altruism but not many people cared enough to watch it, which reflects badly on his viewership/wider society
Sure Ali could dedicate his life to charity and give away all his money to charity but nobody, including you would/do
You are using tattle life right now, which makes you more privileged than all the 3rd world people who can't even eat or the refugees fleeing ukraine
But are you spending all your money/time/energy on these people?
Are you giving away all your money to charities and poor people?
If you are not doing so, don't expect Ali to. He is not a moral role-model, so don't hold him up to these standards.
If you want a moral role-model, start watching Malala Yousafzi, not Ali the productivity/money guru ffs
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mindlessness

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The Red Pill

Incels

On Rollo, who wrote a book early on in the red pill movement and is seen as a leader within it and the whole manosphere

It is concerning that Ali is following these sorts of Twitter accounts and using similar language to them about dating as if it’s a formula and you win a prize -a woman - by solving it. This sort of stuff is related to all that shitty pick up artist bs from the early 2000s too. All of it inherently sees women as objects for sexual gratification and/or housekeeping. It’s grim.
 
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lewisssssh

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This whole "Wife Quest" in his productive bucket list video is honestly to me, a really destructive way to think about relationships. I couldn't imagine anything worse than block-booking dates through calendar apps and ticking them off until someone sticks.
Honestly the 'wife quest' stuff is creepy. It's framed as such a clinical thing, like any other item on his Noted to do list. 😬
I came on here hoping that someone else would be mentioning this.

It's so weird. I can imagine him being in bed with his future partner after waking up in the morning. He pulls out his iPad where he has time blocked the entire day. He points to the time block starting at 7pm until 7:15pm and it's labeled "Coitus" while has a big grin on his face.

His obsession with being productive and planning every aspect of his life is so unhealthy. Where's the spontaneity and fun?
 
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sergeantsantiago

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If he wasnt a Cambridge Medical student noone wpuld care about his productivity brand
I think his channel will stagnate/lose subscribers eventually without the medicine and doctor facets. As others have pointed out before, there are loads of YouTubers already who dominate the productivity niche. Thomas Frank comes to mind, and he does a great job. The thing which sets Ali apart from those productivity YouTubers in the grand scheme of things is his Cambridge & medicine combination, which he's now discarded.

Like, it's gross if he'd have looked at it entirely through the lens of views, but I would've definitely watched videos about working as a doctor during COVID. I don't mean vlogs on the ward, but something like a sit-down, serious, genuine video about his experiences and what he was learning for example. That could have been fascinating. With his reach he could have e.g. 'influenced' rule-breakers to be more cautious. Instead he's sitting the pandemic out and making boring content that doesn't have a personal or original touch.
 
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Limey

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He’s becoming a fake productivity guru
If he's worried about people judging him, maybe he shouldn't have bailed out of working for the NHS during a global pandemic in order to write a book/post videos on YT.

He also could have volunteered to go back/use his skills to work in a vaccination clinic, but that would cut into his valuable time pissing about with sub-par productivity videos for clicks.

I'll save my respect for those who are on the front line, thanks.
 
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TT1

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He has talked about patients in the vaguest of terms. There was one video he did which was a day in the life kind of video but at work and he had a disclaimer at the beginning discussing patient confidentiality and that when he spoke of patients it was as profiles (I think that was the term?). So things like “there was a patient showing signs of X” and obviously no photos or footage of them, just him. Can’t fault him for that. I did wonder how I would feel if I was having a blood test or something and beforehand was told he was filming a video but I wouldn’t be in it, etc.
Throwaway account on my off day - I enjoy Taimur's content surrounding teaching, as well as his attitudes more. After listening to the NO podcast, partly due to curiosity I was directed to this place.

Despite the best attempts at being vague, Ali actually has disclosed sensitive patient information where I can name the patient and who he was describing, what ward they were on, related clinical patient information and hospital they were being treated at. (For reference it's mentioned in the video he discusses about his junior doctor experience working in an "elderly ward"). Although I will disclose I am a fellow professional, one year on I am still able to remember the patient's appearance and associated information of the mutual patient we cared for because of it.

If you're still reading this board Ali, I would highly recommend to be more aware of GDPR article 4.

To be frank, it's honestly okay to say medicine is not your cup of tea and drop it. From experience, 60+% of people in medicine don't have the right character to be in medicine (Covid is just one more piece of evidence to throw on the pile).

In my opinion, social media personalities have similarities to people in medicine. They both often try to craft a character and response in a way they believe their audience wants to see (even when revealing their weaknesses and vulnerabilities) instead of revealing their true response. Personally, this behaviour is what gives me the underlying feeling of "inauthenticity".


Just my 2 cents to the board.
 
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xan34563

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So I personally don't like to "gossip" or even be on sites like this as I try to be empathetic towards people who have a large following or are public figures online knowing how tough it can be for them but this guy pissed me off enough to create this profile and mention this here.

I discovered Ali just like everyone for his productivity and his study videos, I initially liked his videos and even him. However that all changed one fine day when he kept using incel terminologies on his videos like "sexual market value" and shit like that. I have been way deep into RP and incel culture, I know how abusive and toxic it is especially with its so-called "science" (ironically debunked by the proponents of it's field) on women.
I initially thought it was just a joke he was using to make fun of these guys when he discovered this as well as he claimed to be politically left-wing and even people in the comment section were laughing over it so I just looked over it.
But then he kept adding books of the author Rollo proponent of that moment. Again, I try to give him the benefit of the doubt but it was the last straw for me, I just unfollowed him everywhere. He has young people following him especially men who will definitely be influenced by his recommendations.

I discovered this today and all my suspicions got confirmed. I am really surprised it wasn't picked up on this thread or no one even made a post on this on reddit. It's oddly a bit funny how he keeps getting mentioned in incel forums and someone here picked up how he feels like an incel, leading me to discover this forum. I never ever thought he will be like this given his overtly polite attitude on youtube that I took on face value, such a shame. I guess no amount of fame or money can help you with women if you're unattractive inside as well. His brother also seems to follow that author.

I've really taken time to address this as this is the only way I can address this even if I don't like it here, because it has bothered me a long time ago. This account might not be active in future as well .
 

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lewisssssh

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He graduated Cambridge with a degree in Medicine and now he's making "guru" videos on Youtube. What an absolute waste of his hard work and intelligence.

The whole guru/sell a course/write a self help book virus has infected him.

He will look back on these videos in 10 years and cringe at himself.
 
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aplaceicantsee

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Ok, but it actually makes you self-aware and high functioning - that is the key part here. You are self-aware about your limitation and you WORKED on them.

He clearly has some kind of spectrum, and yes it is not an illness but we should not use this as a card to get out of jail in Monopoly for him.

I have a friend with Asperger syndrome. He is great engineer. With a great flat, car, career, high-income, but when I mentioned on my Facebook how I badly wanted to get vaccinated and how I am scared of covid, he has laughed. He couldn't sympathize with the fact that I've just lost my best friend due to covid and I had a pretty scary conversation with my friend, on my phone, few hours he passed away. No social skills. No empathy.

I wasn't talking about morals. I was talking about the fact that your/his disability may have huge impact on the others. Let's face it.

If I was blind I wouldn't be able to drive a car - that is clear, right? So if you are autistic/asperger/in the spectrum you need to face your limitations, and society needs to stop "embracing" you in your spectrum. Your behaviour may have negative impact on the other people. Especially if you are going to create LTR.

I am not saying that people in the spectrum are immediately bad people - i am saying we should not move this treat into the zone where we are going to justify his persona "oh but he is in the spectrum so it is ok...". No it isn't.

As said above, nowadays it is ok to "embrace" mental / social problems instead of actually facing them and fighting with them. I have had a PTSD, as a teenager I was bullied and it was so hard I actually was considering suicide. I have moved on past that experience but I went to specialist seeking for help. I worked on myself and after clearing my mind I started to look for LTR. I wasn't saying "oh gosh my childhood was so harsh I am having nightmers please accept my limitations, if you are not going so you are so in the 90s, narrow-minded bla bla bla".

I was aware about my problems and I was helped.

He needs to understand that his "spectrum" "personality" may harm other people, is not "cool" and lack of empathy cannot be justified.

Jesus Christ, what a load of absolute crap.

This is the most outrageously offensive load of rubbish I have seen written on Tattle and that's really saying something. Leaving the criticisms of Ali aside because I think he does say and do some very offensive and awful things himself, you are demonstrating a complete lack of empathy or understanding of what ASD is. I think the fact you are just assuming he has ASD is harmful in itself and based on stereotypes, as we don;t know that he does or doesn't, and therefore launching criticism at him based on this, and by extension at all people with ASD, you are being ridiculous.

ASD is not something that can be 'fixed' with therapy and it's harmful to suggest that. People with ASD, as previously mentioned, may struggle with social skills or empathy, and I'm sorry that you had an experience with a friend where you felt they showed this towards you. ASD is the explanation for these behaviours often, but not an excuse - therefore people with ASD, like everyone else, have to recognise that saying certain things might offend and have to deal with the consequences to their relationships of doing that. No one is suggesting that people on the spectrum should just be allowed to do / say what they want, but we have to recognise their brains work differently and we have to try and mesh with them, as well as them meshing with us.

I am glad therapy worked for you and your issues but the way you seem to think those it doesn't work for, who then ask for acceptance and support, should be treated is showing that YOU have a complete lack of empathy. Therapy won't change how people with ASD see the world, though it might help them understand themselves better, and to think that we need to eradicate ASD and the world would be better without those with it in it is just garbage.
 
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nvngwork

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I stopped following when he made a point to say he reads flashcards in the toilet because its a wast of time ( not those words and i don't remember the video). This is so unhealthy i can't even begin to comprehend why people would take his advice because he is clearly not living a balanced life.
 
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afterthestormagain

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Ali wants the best of both worlds. He wants the money from youtube and he wants the respect of a doctor. The funny thing is he seems to have no interest in the role of an actual doctor and sees it based on how many lives he can save, when medicine is also about the quality of someone's life. He views medicine so robotically and voids any kind of emotion, but patients are naturally emotional and need that emotional support from everyone, it's not just the nurses' job. He says he doesn't feel guilty about not working as a doctor during the pandemic which is just heartless - can he not read a room? What about the medical students volunteering at hospitals during the pandemic? They have less training than Ali, but they still helped because they know what's at stake. His reasoning for going back to medicine is bull because if he was being honest, he would really say he doesn't suit medicine but wants the prestige of a doctor. He's obviously more suited to youtube - a tonne of cash and there's no people skills involved. If you watch videos of doctors working in the nhs, you'll see how much of it is dependent on emotional intelligence as well as being book smart. Knowledge will only take you so far - there's plenty of other professions where a lot of studying is involved and emotional intelligence isn't important.
 
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cheesecakes

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What is your legitmitate complaint with Ali?
His vids are well produced and taught me a great deal about money and productivity
Sure, he contributes to toxic productivity but living under capitalism, we have no choice but to partake in hustle culture to survive unless we have rich families to fall back on
You claim Ali is privileged but he comes from a single-parent family
Granted, his mum is a doctor, but his family's finances are about half as much as a family with 2 doctors, or 2 working professional parents

Also, Ali has done videos on effective altruism but not many people cared enough to watch it, which reflects badly on his viewership/wider society
Sure Ali could dedicate his life to charity and give away all his money to charity but nobody, including you would/do
You are using tattle life right now, which makes you more privileged than all the 3rd world people who can't even eat or the refugees fleeing ukraine
But are you spending all your money/time/energy on these people?
Are you giving away all your money to charities and poor people?
If you are not doing so, don't expect Ali to. He is not a moral role-model, so don't hold him up to these standards.
If you want a moral role-model, start watching Malala Yousafzi, not Ali the productivity/money guru ffs
Okay, let me work through this real quick.

His vids are well produced and taught me a great deal about money and productivity
Very fair, I agree that his videos are occasionally useful.

Sure, he contributes to toxic productivity but living under capitalism, we have no choice but to partake in hustle culture to survive unless we have rich families to fall back on
Completely incorrect. Toxic productivity actively hurts people, and actually reduces your ability to 'survive' as you put it - if you're putting 110% of your effort into studying/working/etc. and leaving nothing for yourself, you're far more likely to burn out and hurt yourself. Also, we don't have to partake in hustle culture. I've managed two degrees and several part time jobs without hustle culture or toxic productivity, for example.
There are many careers where hustle culture is pushed and can often be the only way to get into it, eg. law, business etc. But this doesn't mean Ali should be advocating for this. There are many great influencers who speak out on hustle culture and toxic productivity, I would encourage you to look at Tiffany Ferg, for example.

If you want to learn more about toxic productivity and why Ali shouldn't be contributing, check this blog post out:

You claim Ali is privileged but he comes from a single-parent family
Privilege comes in many forms. He's a man, his mum is well-off, he comes from an affluent background. Many of these factors have helped him get where he is today. He went to a grammar school and got into Cambridge for medicine, that is insanely privileged compared to the majority of people in the UK. You can experience privilege in many ways whilst also having ways in which you are not privileged.

Granted, his mum is a doctor, but his family's finances are about half as much as a family with 2 doctors, or 2 working professional parents
This feels like a non-argument. You could put this argument on anyone with a single parent. I'm sure his mum has not had an easy life, but doctors do earn a lot of money and I'm sure this helped him a lot. From a quick google search, his dad is actually a businessman, so that's something to consider too.

Also, Ali has done videos on effective altruism but not many people cared enough to watch it, which reflects badly on his viewership/wider society
Huh, does it? People follow him for money and study-related content, not altruism. I don't think that means anything bad for wider society, or even his viewership - they just probably choose to get their content on how to be a better person from... well, better people.

Effective altruism also means giving your money away to causes and charities, which in itself is incredibly privileged. Imagine having the money to be able to give so much away each month, and still live comfortably. I have never experienced that. The fact that Ali does is admirable, but I just watched his video on it and... Well, it does come across as him trying to persuade his audience to give away money they probably don't have. Creating study content means that a significant portion of his viewership are students or young adults without money. It doesn't make sense to make a video explaining why he did this except to brag in a 'look i'm so much better than you because i have the time, energy and money to give to others'. Effective altruism is something you can do accurately if you're privileged. It's very hard to do it when you're struggling to make ends meet, you're coping with illness, or you're from a lower income background.

Sure Ali could dedicate his life to charity and give away all his money to charity but nobody, including you would/do
See the point above. This argument is laughable. Google the 'Tu Quoque' fallacy - because that's what you're doing right now. (thanks to the poster in the Unjaded Jade thread who told me what that was called it came in quite useful!)

You are using tattle life right now, which makes you more privileged than all the 3rd world people who can't even eat or the refugees fleeing ukraine
And you are too? I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. Surely none of us should be doing anything because we're all more privileged than people in poverty and fleeing war. Ironically, Ali is the person who would be able to make the most difference here, but instead here he is, posting on a gossip forum he's just making toxic productivity content. Privilege is on a spectrum (iffy description but idk how else to explain). Everyone, to some extent, experiences privilege. Nobody is suggesting that we are less privileged than people living in poverty, or refugees fleeing any war or any situation. We are only saying that Ali is very privileged, which is true.

Also, don't use the term 'third world' - this suggests that they're somehow less advanced or developed than we are. Just say poorer countries, or people living in poorer areas of the world. Better explanation here:

But are you spending all your money/time/energy on these people?
Another fallacy. This is just a non-argument.

Are you giving away all your money to charities and poor people?
See above.

If you are not doing so, don't expect Ali to. He is not a moral role-model, so don't hold him up to these standards.
I don't think anyone has suggested Ali should be giving away all his money to charities and poor people. Instead, they're saying that he's a privileged, very well-educated man who has fallen out of what made him likeable and into a toxic productivity machine, where he flogs productivity brands, clearly thinks far too highly of himself, almost certainly isn't a feminist, pretends that he's doing lots of good in the world but only really just perpetuates the idea that you have to be Cambridge-educated and spend all your free time working or studying to be successful.

Also, he clearly thinks himself a moral role model, so why shouldn't we hold him to these standards?

Finally, before I sign off, I would just like to point out my favourite argument of any public figure on the internet should be expected to be held to account in some way. Nobody is exempt from criticism, especially not someone like Ali who holds himself in such high regard yet doesn't really do any good.

Anyway, considering you've spent your time thinking up a terrible argument in favour of yourself your role model, and pretty much advocated for contacting someone's family (which is borderline harassment), maybe you should leave this website and go back to jacking off in front of Ali's study tip videos. I don't think this is a good place for you.
 
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idk2

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I cant believe there is a thread about him. He is so unproblematic and actually using his channel for some good. Even if you watch it, and pick one useful tip from a video it is 1000 times better than 90% of influencers out there, constantly shoving products down your throat, lying about ads etc
Everything in his life has to be productive?! How is that healthy or unproblematic? He's doing exactly the same as other influencers by promoting something that is so unobtainable. Sometimes its OKAY not to do anything and simply enjoy life's small pleasures like having a piss without taking your iPad with you in the guise of being 'productive'. Wtf is a productive valentines day?

His ADs are also becoming worse.
 
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July9696

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Is he working right now as a dr? I’m not sure I have much respect for a qualified practitioner who doesn’t work during a pandemic and the worst emergency public health crisis in a century.

Correction: I definitely don’t.
 
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Aaga

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Hi, long-time lurker.
I had to create a profile because I want to say a thing or two about the whole ASD conversation.
I am autistic. I do not struggle with empathy and I like to believe I am a good person. Same goes for all my friend on the spectrum.
The fact that Ali is an ass is NOT related to him having ASD or not. He's just a shitty person.
I struggle with social skills, I don't understand most of what people do and I do not understand sarcasm. However, I have put so much work and effort both to communicate with others to the best of my abilities, and to be a good person. Lack of understanding does not justify lack of morals. Autistic people are some of the most moral people you will find. Ali is just a privileged, self-obsessed prick.
Also OT but ASD is also not a mental illness, and it cannot be cured. It is a disability, because our brains are fundamentally different than neurotypicals' brains, but it is not, like, a personality disorder.
 
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