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lozzapaloozza

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That’s the saddest thing about losing a parent to alcoholism, they die twice. I remember people asking me how I could talk about what she went through so calmly, I always tell them that she died so many years before she actually died. She was never the same after the alcohol took over, she stopped being “my mum” first, to me that’s when she died, and then when she physically passed away it was the second time
 
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Oh no I am so sorry to hear that. How is your son coping? How are you doing? Xx
My son isn't doing that well. He's very quiet a lot of the time which is unlike him. I'm looking into some counselling for him, from someone who specialises in helping people with autism cope with bereavement. The funeral isn't until January though which makes Christmas a bit of a weird time.

I'm ok, just focused on helping my son really. I'm in touch with my son's step mum and we've said that we'll get the siblings together once things are calmer (both personally and with the Covid situ). His sisters are only little, one too young to really understand what's happening. I just feel so very sad for them all.
 
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Definitelyme

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I never posted here but my ma is an alcoholic she’s been clean for 10 years as the doctors said she’ll die if she keeps it up.

But I just found out recently she’s back drinking and that she started drinking again in late July or early August, she keeps going missing for days and isn’t answering her phone to me or her boyfriend. One of her friends who is also an alcoholic told me she was with her for a few days on Thursday and Friday but hasn’t seen her since Saturday morning. She won’t answer the phone to me or anyone else. Her phone turns on every now and then and she sometimes sees my texts on Facebook messenger but she doesn’t respond to them or SMS messages I do be sending her.

I don’t even know if she has all of her medication, she’s a type 1 diabetic with pancreatitis, and she’s prone to having hypo fits if she isn’t eating regularly. She can’t eat fat or can’t eat sugar. I don’t even know what to do. As no one has seen her or they’re covering for her. I’ve been crying my eyes out since Friday because I thought I was well and truly over this part of my life.

I even have been thinking to go to the police and reporting her as missing as her phone is turning off for days and no one knows where she is.
I’m so sorry to hear she has relapsed after such a long time of sobriety. A stark reminder to us all that nothing is a given with an alcoholic in “recovery”.
Phoning your local police will certainly do no harm, they will be best placed to advise you on what to do.
I hope she turns up safely soon.
 
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Annie101

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Hugs to you all. xx I am grateful having you guys on here that would understand the devastation and heartache all of it causes.
 
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37BBL

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Just sending some love to you all. This thread has helped me more than many could imagine. I can't talk about my person openly as its just too difficult, its so nice being able to talk to people who won't judge and get it xxx
 
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Annie101

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Hi everyone, hope you all doing well. I have realise that being an alcoholic comes with being a narcissist. My husband stopped drinking, his behaviour did not change, There is an anger inside of him and i am sure working from home for 16 months is not helping. He reminds me of Jack Nicholson in The Shinning. I am terrified of him, he can go through stages of ignoring me for weeks as punishment because i spoke up whilst he is angry. i wish i could just shut my mouth and take it at the time. He micro manages me which i find degrading as I am in a high level position at work and treated like a child at home. He takes no accountability for his actions. He made his wishy washy amends to me, which i tore up and gave back to him as the 3 short paragraphs cannot take the pain away he caused. I am left so resentful, alone, angry and heartbroken. Will it ever change? I am so F*cked up by all of this
 
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Annie101

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I am not an expert but ive gone through some shit. Living with an alcoholic is emotional abuse. One you start isolating because he is drunk, afraid to invite friends over, when he loves alcohol more than he loves you, the list goes on.....years go by and you lost all that time.
 
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Kezza_69

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My mum was an alcoholic, I say was, she did eventually get sober and managed 16 sober years before passing away 4 years ago.
I only ever remember her drinking and being drunk at functions. She wasnt a nasty drunk, didnt even really do things that showed her up, in fact, she became a mute when she was drunk.
My sister and I had a thing where we wouldnt phone after midday as she'd already be slurry and topping up from the day before.
I remember her asking my dad to bring a bottle home from work and he "forgot" . . She absolutely hit the roof and at the time I thought, "wow, its like her life depends upon it" . . Know, I realise, it probably did.
I tried for years to get her help, calling her Dr, begging my dad, no one would step in until she asked for help herself.
It was only in the last few months of drinking that her personal hygiene slipped and she actually drank from the minute she woke.
Her help came in the form of AA meetings, she took it very seriously and eventually became a sponser herself.
I remember in her early days she wouldn't want to be around alcohol, a few months later she was fine with it and was eventually able to pour a drink for someone else and even visit pubs for a soft drink.

She was always rather controlling and sometimes narcissistic. .

There are lots of help pages about
On FB 1 called HOPE (hearing other peoples experiences) is a good 1
 
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Rose28454

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I love to see positive stories but that person has to want to. So happy for your husband! & you!
Yes he took a long time to want to do it!! Yes both delighted. Lots of people don’t see what damage alcohol does to those around you never mind themselves
 
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rosie

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My brother's drinking got so bad that every family gathering felt like we were pretending nothing was wrong. For years my coping mechanism was distance, but all that did was make me feel guilty and powerless.

What shifted things was learning that I could set boundaries without abandoning him. I encouraged him to get help, and eventually he went into treatment at the Legacy Healing Center. Seeing him get real therapy for the shame and patterns behind the drinking reminded me that coping doesn't mean carrying it all on your own, it means pointing them toward the right help while still protecting your own peace
 
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northernspaces

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If I had a £1 for every time I've been told "your mum's lovely she wouldn't do that" or equivalent, I'd be a millionaire!
Completely!! My dad used to be so loved by our entire family and well respected by his friends and colleagues. If you had told me ten years ago about who he is now I would never have believed you. It feels like there has been a death in the family - I wonder if that is common for families of alcoholics as the addiction takes over them?
 
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Thank you everyone for posting your stories, they've really made me feel like I'm not alone for the first time in years.

I've been told my whole life that I'm not allowed to talk about my family to anyone and it would make me an evil person but I've been under so much stress that I'm going to write my thoughts down and if it's traced back to me and I lose them then that's how it is. Otherwise I feel like I could crumble.

My person(s) are my parents. I'm 99% sure my mum is an alcoholic and I'm not sure if I'd classify my dad as alcohol dependent or just a habitual drinker (he has drunk every single night for decades - probably since I was born - but usually in moderate amounts - more on a non-work night - and he has a home breathalyser so if it's a work-night he stops in-time to be under the limit for when he commutes in the morning.)

My mum had a bad upbringing and both of them suffered intense trauma before I was born that they've never recovered from. My dad has always drunk but I never noticed it as a problem when I was a kid. My mum swears that she never drunk a single alcoholic drink when my sister and I were kids but I remember that we used to have a bottle of cider always in a cupboard. I mentioned it to my mum recently and she said it was my dad's and that she never had a drop but I feel like she did and she's lying to me but I can't remember enough to know if she's telling the truth. I've also got a couple of photos of her with me when I'm young and she has the 'drunk' look on her face that I've seen so many times now.

When I was in my early teens (almost 20 years ago) she had a massive breakdown and attempted suicide and I pretty much became her mental health carer. She started on anti-depressants but she's admitted to me that they don't work but she doesn't want to try any others in case they work less. Both of my parents believe that therapy is morally wrong and so she's never got any more help. She had to leave work on medical grounds and hasn't worked since.

I remember being in my late-teens and I know she didn't drink then. My nana would encourage her to "just have one" whenever she went out with us and, when I was around 21, she did have "just one" and things spiralled from there.

I finally managed to move out when I was 22 and she wasn't an alcoholic at that point. I noticed that she was getting drunk more often though and when I was 24 I realised that it was becoming a real problem. I'm 34 now and it's only got worse since.

I haven't seen her since before lockdown one but the last time I saw her she was in an absolute state. She gets drunk every single day. A 'light day' consists of a bottle of wine and four cans of cider. A very bad day can be two bottles of wine and six cans and a couple of cocktails or even more. Her drinking has slowly gone from 'drunk by 9pm every day' up to now 'drunk by 4pm every day' and it's only climbing earlier. She says that it's fine because she "goes to bed early" but she only goes to bed because she's too drunk to stay awake. Both of them say that they can't sleep unless they drink or they have nightmares about their traumatic experience so they're both self-medicating with alcohol to an extent.

I've lost count of the amount of times she's burned her hands and arms trying to fill up a hot water bottle and then not noticed until the next morning. She can't feed herself when she's drunk, she just lies her head on the table and pours the food partly into her mouth. She can't stand up either, she crawls around the floor like a two-year-old and can barely talk, just mumbles unintelligibly. She'll eventually throw a tantrum and then my dad will 'put her to bed' where she crawls up the stairs and then lies in bed eating chocolate (one day I'm sure she'll choke on it and that will probably be the end of her. She's choked on food when drunk many times already).

She has severe memory loss when she drinks. I came out as a lesbian in Oct 2019 (I waited so long because I knew my parents wouldn't be happy and I didn't want to upset them) and when she's sober she's 'fine' with it but I've had so many phone calls from her telling me how awful I am for choosing to be gay and how much I've upset her and how she wants to have a proper daughter and how I'm doing this to spite her and that if I loved her I'd be straight and so many horrible things. Then she doesn't remember that she's said them and when I tell her she says "no, I wouldn't say that, I'm fine with it."

I'm not allowed to be upset with her. If she does something to upset me I have to forgive her straight away otherwise she'll start to panic and says her depression will get worse because of me. It doesn't matter what she's done, I just have to shrug my shoulders and move on and never mention it again because she's sorry and that should be enough and it isn't fair to blame her for something that she's sorry about.

She lies about how much she drinks. I've banned her multiple times from calling me when drunk and I can tell by her voice when she's been drinking but she'll swear that she hasn't and on the sixth time of asking she'll laugh and say she's only had a couple so it doesn't count. I can't not answer the phone though in case she is actually having a crisis. Then, the next morning, she'll say that she's sorry and I have to forgive her and we go round this merry-go-round again and again and again.

I've lost hope that she'll change. She's starting to be affected physically by the alcohol now. She's the same age as my dad but people assume that they're mother and son. They're in their sixties but she looks 85-90. She won't leave the house, even pre-covid she left maybe six times a year. She's forgotten how to drive. She's forgotten how to use money. She's almost completely sedentary at home. She struggles to stand up now, even when sober, and she says it is because of her age but my dad walks 5-8 miles every day in all weather so it isn't her age. She's started to get what she calls 'tired eyes' and I'm struggling to understand what she means but it's something about how they won't stay still? I wouldn't be surprised if there's some kind of neurological damage going on.

I've tried everything. I've tried begging, pleading, ignoring, crying, getting angry, distracting her, bargaining and nothing makes a dent. I told her that she drinks too much and she says "I didn't drink when you were a child so I deserve to drink now" but a) I think that she probably did and b) she obviously wasn't drinking for a reason when I was in my late teens so, considering she's smoked for over 40 years and isn't health-conscious, she must have known not to drink somehow.

I've told her she'll die and she says "that's fine, this is how I want to die." I've told her that her dying affects me and she shrugs her shoulders and says that she's "an adult and can do what she wants". I've shown her photos of people in late stage liver disease/failure and told her that's what is coming and she says "oh well, we've all got to die of something."

I honestly think that she thinks she isn't an alcoholic because she doesn't drink first thing in the morning and she isn't the stereotypical 'homeless drunk on a park bench' but that's exactly where she'd be if my dad wasn't working and able to keep a roof over their heads. She tells me that the amount she drinks isn't a big deal and if I was normal and 'understood how the world works' (I'm currently waiting for an autism evaluation) that I'd understand that she drinks a perfectly normal amount and would stop nagging her when she clearly doesn't have a problem. I've tried to get through to my dad multiple times but he says "that's just how she is" and isn't willing to help them both change.

I honestly feel like it is only a matter of time before she dies, either choking or falling or ending up with liver failure. I feel guilty for thinking it but I hope she dies before my dad does. He has the slightest chance of being able to cope without her but if he goes first she's no chance.

I'm absolutely tee-total after seeing what's happened to her but one of the things that hurts the most is how they both try and push me to drinking when I do see them. I'm always 'ruining the fun' and 'oh just have one' and 'live a little'.

Ever since her breakdown I've felt like I need to be the glue that holds her mental health together. I suffer from my own mental health challenges (I was diagnosed with depression at 14 but my parents forbid me to get treatment and told me I'd be a bad person if I did so I'm only now getting help at 34 after realising that their approach to mental health is not helpful.)

I have felt so much guilt for so long that I haven't been able to fix her but reading this thread has helped me realise that maybe it isn't my job to fix her. I love her, and I'll always be here for her if she wants help but I need to be able to talk about this, I can't let her keep pouring all her trauma into me without being allowed to have a way to let it out. I think when they are open in real life I'll try and go to an al anon meeting - at least one, to see if it helps.

Sorry for the very long post but this has been building up for the past 10 years and it's the first time I've felt able to put my thoughts down. Just for peace of mind - she is an alcoholic right? This isn't normal behaviour / a normal amount of drink that I just think is too much because I don't understand?

Writing all this, though it might seem disloyal according to what has been said to you, will do you an enormous amount of good. You have been suffering far too much on your own. Your family have placed a massive burden upon you and you deserve a huge amount of credit for a) not drinking yourself b) keeping yourself sane over the years.
Many posters here have good advice as they've had experience in this area and can feel the pain you are going through. We all know that begging and pleading with an alcoholic, especially one that does not even acknowledge that they are one, is like whistling into the wind. The force for change has to come from within themselves. Your job, which won't come naturally to you because you have always put other people first, is to practice self-care.
We all wish you the very best. Stick around and read what everyone on this thread has to say because there is an awful lot of heartfelt good sense.
xx
 
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Annie101

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Anyone found that alcoholism and narcissism come hand in hand?
100%!!! Something happened again and all my pent up emotions came out, i told my husband his inflated ego will get to him. That what any other woman excepts as normal is a treat for me. That he lives his life as a bloody Brian Adams song, everything i do i do it for you, as he always say, but his actions contradicts everything. i also tore his wedding vows up in front of him and threw it in his face. i am working on adrenaline and might regret posting on here, but i am tires and f&ck all the cross addictions. i am fed up
 
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Bitofthebubbly

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So my mum, who’s the ‘parent’ I’ve talked about a bit on this thread. She posted a video on Facebook tonight about when a husband cheats on his wife, and it wasn’t like this funny skit like I expected, it was quite solemn and serious and now I literally feel sick because why would she share something like that if she couldn’t relate to it in some way? I know this isn’t strictly alcohol related although I’m sure she posted after a few drinks and may possibly be deleted in the morning. But I’m shaking and didn’t know where to post. Feels like part of my world that I’ve always known could be falling apart. My step dad is like a father to me and helped raise me, he’s grandad to my kids, and if he’s done that then despite all my mums faults and difficulties, I’ve lost all respect for him. I hope it turns out to be nothing, but I don’t think it will. What on earth is going on. No point even trying to contact anyone at this time. Hate social media.
 
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LittleBird

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My ex text me a bunch of quite rude and boarder line emotionally abusive texts last night and into this morning after I asked for help around selling the house (I'm doing all the admin for it).

Told me I had chosen to leave him and I am making his drinking much worse and I am the problem. Although I know this isn't the case, I feel empty inside today and have finally asked to speak to a doctor about stress and anxiety that grew from this relationship. The worst thing about this lockdown is not being able to pop over to my parents or friends for some support. WhatsApp isn't quite the same.
 
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theghosttown

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Being on tattle makes you realise how everyone is going through something in their own way. Everyone has a story and they aren’t always pleasant. My dad was an alcoholic and it took him quite quickly. He started drinking heavily when I was 10 and he passed away two weeks before I turned 14. His funeral was two days after my birthday. At the time I was numb from it and I’m ashamed to say I had disowned him at this point. But, I look back and realise I was only a child and had tried and pleaded so many times for him to stop but nothing ever sank in. He went to rehab a few times but, never any joy. I remember thinking, how could he do this to us, he always said my brother and I were his world so how could he hurt us so much. For years I bottled it up and never said anything about what happened, most people didn’t even know my dad had passed. When I would tell friends in conversation they would cry and I would feel nothing. It wasn’t until I got a bit older at 17 when I had almost an epiphany. I was on a pilgrimage in Lourdes helping the elderly with college (I’m not very religious by the way but, I’ve always been raised a catholic). One night we had a nighttime mass outside and lit some candles and was encouraged to share experiences we had. People started opening their hearts about family members they had lost and how they missed them. I didn’t say anything as it’s not my thing. But, quietly I took myself off, lit a candle and said, I forgive you dad. It felt as though a weight had been lifted from my shoulders. From then onwards, I realised that being an alcoholic is not a life choice and I believe it is a mental illness. Most people who have it have no control just like depression. Telling them to stop or cheer up will not work. It is so much more intricate than that. If I could give my younger self some wisdom, I would say to let the person know that you love them and you’ll always be there for them and remember the person they once were. Gently encourage them to get some help but, don’t push them as this usually backfires. But, most of all, don’t blame yourself or anyone else. It is never the answer and causes so much hurt. My auntie who is a horrible person blamed me and called me a murderer when my dad passed away. She said I should have done more as I was his baby girl. It’s always stuck with me. It’s 12 years today since my dad passed away and I can now openly talk about him with my family and friends in a positive light. Remembering all the cherished memories we were lucky to make. Even now I’m finding things out about him that I never knew and sharing anecdotes with my mum.

Sending my love to everyone dealing with this themselves or with someone they love ❤
This really is amazing to read. Definition of a strong woman 💜
 
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Annie101

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I dont know any of you, but a huge hug and lots of love to you all. Putting this in writing in the universe is somehow helping me cope and letting all the pent up feelings out. It makes me feel a little less lonelier with our secret. Brief update - He came to me to apologize, he moved back into the house with me. I had a peaceful weekend, i was able to breath. Ironically Al Anon contacted me over the weekend to be a speaker next week. Would be my first time, lets hope i don't start crying and be strong.
 
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LittleBird

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Hi everyone, hope you all doing well. I have realise that being an alcoholic comes with being a narcissist. My husband stopped drinking, his behaviour did not change, There is an anger inside of him and i am sure working from home for 16 months is not helping. He reminds me of Jack Nicholson in The Shinning. I am terrified of him, he can go through stages of ignoring me for weeks as punishment because i spoke up whilst he is angry. i wish i could just shut my mouth and take it at the time. He micro manages me which i find degrading as I am in a high level position at work and treated like a child at home. He takes no accountability for his actions. He made his wishy washy amends to me, which i tore up and gave back to him as the 3 short paragraphs cannot take the pain away he caused. I am left so resentful, alone, angry and heartbroken. Will it ever change? I am so F*cked up by all of this
I'm really sorry to hear this Annie! As someone who is almost a year out of the relationship now, I can say that my ex hasn't changed and was still giving me grief last week. He still drinks and smokes weed and has moved back in with his parents who now identify his behaviour is a problem (but only under their roof).

Life truly is much better without him in it, I feel like a massive weight has been lifted from my shoulders and I am free. Please think about your options, life is too short.
 
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My uncle was an alcoholic, it ruined his life. He was a very intelligent young guy with good work possibilities but drinking was more important. I knew something was wrong ever since I was 5 years old. Each time he visited my parents he already seemed a bit drunk and always had a bottle of vodka with him, anything could be a reason to have a drink. I remember always feeling scared around him, always a bit distanced from him and even as a kid I tried to make my parents see what's going on. I don't want to use stereotypes but I think it's worth mentioning that in Poland we have big drinking culture so when he came over with vodka nobody was surprised - it was 'normal' that each time he came over they were drinking. My parents thankfully weren't big drinkers, they couldn't handle more than 3-4 shots and over time they realised I was right and that my uncle had a big problem. Unfortunately after many fights and my uncle being mad at my family and not talking to us for years, he started getting out of control, drunk driving, spending all the money for alcohol his body finally gave up. He ended up in a hospital and all his organs started failing, after 10 months in hospital he died.

I'm all grown up now (well sort of - 25 years old), I avoided alcohol for as long as I could. I decided growning up I would never touch vodka. And again drinking culture and uni got best of me and I started binge drinking. I always had a limit - always had a moment where I thought "ok I'm drunk, I can't have anymore or I'll get sick" which reassured me that I don't have a problem.
And then one day I found out I have hypertension, started taking meds and it made me change a lot of my habits and was a breaking point. I gave up the drink 1,5 year ago.

During the 18 months I've been sober I allowed myself to have a drink for a special occasion - had one glass of champagne on New Years Eve and a sad little beer during my quarantine birthday (I was looking forward to going out with friends and having one fancy cocktail that's why it was a sad beer :D). The day I decided to stop binge drinking I knew it's not like I'm never going to drink again, I just didn't want alcohol to be such a big part of my life. At times it was very hard not to order a beer or wine when out with friends and everyone around me was having a pint, my hand were itching for a drink. But I knew that if I drink in front of people once they will know I drank and next time we saw each other it would be hard to explain why I'm not drinking. So I didn't. And I won't. That glass of wine 2-3 times a year will be my only contact with alcohol.


/sorry if this is hard to read, english is not my first language
 
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@37BBL I got the job, thank you for asking 🥰
Briefly spoke to partner this morning, he said hes been feeling down and its because Im moving on with my life (we work for the same place) and hes being left behind.

We often talk about his drinking, the physical/health side for him and the emotional side for me and he gets better for a few days before slipping into old habits. Hes 41 years old and has drank heavily since he was 16 (both his parents and his brothers are all big drinkers too) where I come from a family who dont drink. Also the financial side as we are buying a house, i earn less but have saved 6k while hes saved....300. And thats not because he doesnt want to, but because he spends so much on alcohol he has nothing left by the end of the month!
My partner was an alcoholic and my life was dreadful, I always liked a drink but started drinking more in the meantime I left my husband because every promise was broken. my life moved on and I carried on drinking ( I lived on my own) I would drink round the clock. this went on for years but I never forgot anything I did and was always happy and funny with my friends and family. Then one morning after a family do, I could not remember the whole night and it worried me, the same thing happened a while later. I asked my family had I done anything or said anything nasty or done anything stupid or offensive and they laughed and said I could not hurt anyone if I tried and was always just so relaxed and happy. But I could not shake off this feeling that I would do or say something awful and hurt my loved ones. So just like that, I stopped drinking (stopped smoking too) , because no way would I do anything to hurt any of them, even the ones I don't like.

Like you, I made excuse after excuse about my husband's behaviour "oh he really wants to stop," on and on and on.. But the truth is, if they wanted too they would, if they loved you more than the feeling the booze gives them, they would. While you still make excuses for him he will just carry on. Your husband knows how much he hurts you and still does it.

I would get angry inside at people trying to tell me to leave, trying to tell me my husband loves the drink more than he loves me, BS he loves me deeply he just can't help himself. But I was lying to myself. If he cant stop he would move out would not be doing this to you. But he does. but he does it knowing you will forgive him again.

Sorry not trying to be offensive, but just letting you glimpse how I wasted 17 years of my life waiting for someone to love me as much as he said he did. Don't waste your life. separate and if he loves you enough, he will get help to stop permanently,

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I disagree people can go and get themselves help regarding their drinking/ drug taking etc if they wish. Some people do manage to change and stay sober or clean. There is hope but they have to want to do it really badly.
I believe that post is about the non-drinker. ( I might be wrong though )
the non-drinker needs to remember
you didn't cause it
you cannot control it
you cannot cure it
 
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