WhatABore

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I just think everyone wants to jump on the new buzz word and get hysterical about it. Everyone knows she’s white, she’s spent the last 10 years in little mix. It’s ridiculous saying she’s too tanned. On the one hand we are meant to let people be who they want to be, whether that be trans, lgbt etc but then on the other she’s not allowed to do what she want. If she wants to wear dark tan and sing rnb then she’s allowed to right? Where is the line, it’s becoming ridiculous. Anyway, I’ll leave you guys to carry on about what a horrible racist she is 👍🏻
Tbh, as someone who's never been a massive follower of Little Mix, I thought she was mixed race
 
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Oohthedrama

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Jesy said she had been to Antigua in the weeks before the video shoot and that "explained her darker skin tone".

Hey google….

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Returned from Antigua with a different heritage, how the fuck do I explain the fact I’m no longer a white girl to the insta homies?

*google suggests.

- get that scank who married the rap*st to fight your corner.
yeah, the one spouting all that crap about covid, that one. 😐

- na, I’m out, you’re fucked.


Love google
 
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gigilouxx

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That fucking hair as well. It's not even blackfishing, it's the desire to look racially ambiguous, she knows exactly by doing that the comments will usually be "well she's mixed with something look at xyz"
it boils my blood, but then again maybe I'm just the angry black girl
 
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gigilouxx

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She had a choice, I'm sick to death of hearing celebrities like her crying about how hard it is and be kind blah blah blah. Stop doing it then? Leave your millions of £ and your big nice house and start a supermarket job like a normal person if you don't want shit? They literally put themselves out there into the public eye.
 
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dcntsmrtn

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lmao long time lurker here

im black and defs agree that im not about to riot in the streets because a celeb can’t beat the blackfishing allegations BUT i will say i think it’s super disingenuous for jesy to give all of these “rah rah love yourself” lil interviews when she doesn’t even look like herself??? sends a weird message to me lol like im not even against people wanting to get cosmetic enhancements i just want for them to own up to it
 
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Snoopysnoop123

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Jesy created a documentary on mental health & how horrible people can be yet sat there and watched Nicki Minaj go in on Leigh Anne on a live stream with 100K people watching and sat there in silence 🤷‍♀️
 
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Mysteryy

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I find it utterly ridiculous and more than a little concerning that in 2021 there still needs to be explanations of why blackfishing and cultural appropriation is not okay.

ETA - Jesy has shown a blatant disregard for educating herself when concerns have been raised. This screams of someone who only wants to take the positive aspects of a cultural and use them for her own gain, while disregarding how those of that culture feel about her actions.
 
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Handynasty

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I’m the same age as Jesy and I know she didn’t “grow up” with that music. You were listening to Steps and B*Witched with the rest of us in our jelly shoes and pedal pushers babe 😅

When I was a bit older I got into a lot of RnB like TLC, Destiny’s Child so that’s fair enough, but she was hardly listening to Puff Daddy when she was 9… Will Smith is much more likely but she wouldn’t admit that Wild Wild West was the first cassette she bought (yes, I did. Don’t judge!)

Nobody is born that cool, I think we can all attest to that!
 
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duggee_hug

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I feel like there’s only one person who can get to the truth of it all, and that’s UK Baddie’s bad boy 4 Life Chris Hughes. If anyone’s gonna spill the tea on Little Mix/Jesy/Blackfishing it’ll be Gloucestershire’s baddest man. ☕🫖👀
 
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micfan

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You can also be white and not like r&b music, I know many people who love rock and hate rap and r&b that doesn’t make them racist, it’s just a style of music they don’t enjoy. Like how I don’t enjoy classical music. That doesn’t make me a horrible person it’s a preference over a form of sound waves.
This sentiment is always funny to me and this is not an attack on you as I am just noting that the history of rock and roll framed as a white genre is an interesting one.

Black Americans also pioneered Rock and Roll. People can/will debate this and the general history for those who aren't into reading about popular of modern music has done a pretty good job of erasing how instrumental Black Americans were in almost all forms of modern music to America and a lot of the threads of musical arrangement followed from 'negro spirituals' sung by slaves and their descendants. And also how these slaves bought over the kora/ngoni an instrument similar to guitar from West Africa during the slave trade.

A lot of racist people have often said that black people only contribute to 'culture building' through music and dance while also historically deriding jazz, rap, hip hop, etc. as 'noise' that caters to 'low cultured' people.

Many rock legends like the Rolling Stones and the Beatles apparently had managers/promoters going to black clubs and listening to the songs and poaching them. The Rolling Stones early in their career acknowledged and looked up to a lot of Black American artists as mentors/performed with them and most notably had a good relationship with Chuck Berry. And music was even more segerated back then (say hello to 'Race records' the name of a very old record label that marketed ragtime, jazz, blues, and soul music sung by black people). And music sung by these Black Artists was simply known as "race music" and eventually Latin music was put under this label.

Elvis is called the king of rock and roll but Little Richard was right to call this "a matter of opinion" depending on who you talk to. People called him bitter and hateful. But it is a well-known fact that record executives listened to the music of Black American's like Big Mama Thorton and Chuck Berry and thought something good was there and just how much more marketable and 'better' it would be coming from a white face. And again since the record labels were segregated there was very little chance back then of black musicians wanting to work with them either. But for some reason if black people point this well-documented history out, it is often dismissed as being politically correct and rewriting history to coddle because "everyone is inspired by someone". And while that is true and art is and will always be a cultural exchange, this was blatant and purposeful and done very much with race in mind and who is considered at the bottom vs. who is considered at the top in the collective consciousness and memory.

So when people say 'take race out of it' or 'stop making everything about race', it is like arrogance and a slap in the face. Race plays into so many decisions, past and present, and especially in a country that may have ended slavery and segregation but then especially with ending slavery then doubled down on these narratives with laws (redlining, etc), prohibiting access to valued resources in every part of life from the reconstruction period onward for many Black people. Music historically was one of the only avenues for many black Americans feeling the strains of racist laws and policies prohibiting them from equal chances and opportunities as a way to carve out a chance at a better living. Music conservatories for Classical music were more accepting of black applicants but would still not allow for them to be a part of professional orchestras so they had to make their own and hire their own composers. But again, pointing out the long/complex/ and racialized development towards modern music would just be making everything "about race" to some again.

People also forget that many White Americans both in the general public and those in charge of social policies/laws initially hated Elvis when he first arrived on the scene for singing music that was considered black and making his voice sound black/ shaking his hips sexually like a hypersexual black person. They felt his music was evil and Satanic because it was blurring the lines of contact between the different sexes and more importantly racial boundaries which would lead to that dangerous 'miscengation'. They felt he opened up the road towards civil rights with his behavior.
 
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jackolantern

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I just think everyone wants to jump on the new buzz word and get hysterical about it. Everyone knows she’s white, she’s spent the last 10 years in little mix. It’s ridiculous saying she’s too tanned. On the one hand we are meant to let people be who they want to be, whether that be trans, lgbt etc but then on the other she’s not allowed to do what she want. If she wants to wear dark tan and sing rnb then she’s allowed to right? Where is the line, it’s becoming ridiculous. Anyway, I’ll leave you guys to carry on about what a horrible racist she is 👍🏻
Your use is the word racist is flawed, noone is actually called her racist. She isn't prejudiced or antagonistic towards other cultures, she is appropriating them, it's a totally different subject and one you should look into properly if you are going to tell us we are wrong. I'm from the UK have followed Little Mix their entire career and genuinely had no idea she wasn't mixed. Also comparing this to trans and LGBT issues is honestly ridiculous.

It's not about he tan, it's not about her singing R&B, it's the *whole* package deal. There is so much more to this than those singular issues. Any of the ways she is behaving wouldn't be questioned if they were the only things, there are plenty of tanned girls, girls with curly hair, girls who sing R&B, girls who wear "street" fashion, who don't get accused of what Jesy is. Why is that? Because noone questions their race and it is appreciation not appropriation.

In the same way your Eminem argument makes no sense, has anyone ever questioned whether Eminem is white? Jesy is making a career of pretending to be something she isn't and in turn, having faced struggles she has no idea of (whilst also perpetuating some of the very negative stereotypes that have caused these struggles - a.k.a. black men are 'bad boyz'). That's the problem.
 
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fauxfreckle

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Can I just say as a black woman I am loving this thread because there are so many white girls who are so quick to say ‘curly hair is for everyone’ and ‘it’s just a tan’ its nice that people are finally raising awareness behind the intentions of appearing racially ambiguous here and twitter 🥱
 
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Mysteryy

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Getting through passport control on her return flights must be a fucking nightmare if 3 weeks in Antigua is enough to change her race.
 
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x_bethanyy

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Love the title 😂

Jesy is a fucking idiot. Little Mix have an established career and fan base, Nikki Minaj (unfortunately) has an established career and fan base, Jesy as a solo artist does not. In a week when all this drama blows over and Nikki's contract is over, it will be Jesy who's left out alone in the cold.

Also while I'm commenting, because I haven't for a while, Boyz is a terrible first single. It feels like a parody of Diddy's original song. Established artists can get away with doing tongue-in-cheek singles like that because it's cute and funny in an ironic way, but is that really the first impression Jesy wanted to give as a solo artist?
 
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jackolantern

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PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT, ITS NOT JUST ABOUT HER TAN, ITS NOT JUST ABOUT HER TAN, ITS NOT JUST ABOUT HER TAN

Are we clear now? 😩🤗🥵
 
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Jennytea

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I hope Jesy has the support around her that she really needs, mentally this is going to really knock her and she is not the most stable!
I’m more concerned about Leigh-Ann having support tbh, the woman has just had twins!!! She will now be painted to be this typical ‘jealous angry black woman’ 😴 who is out to get Jesy and trying to tell people what to do. It’s all such bullshit!
 
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talkingalot

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Y'all I am shocked by how pissed off I am at this whole Jesy Nelson fiasco. Like I'm a full-grown adult woman who only became aware of Little Mix last year - I should not be this invested in the whole situation. But it is just so infuriating??? Like it so obvious that she is blackfishing and the song and video are derivative and lazy parodies of black culture. Also, she is such a textbook self-victimizing diagnosable narcissist.

It is so frustrating to watch the media circus allow room for people to capitalize off of defending her and build hype around this embarrassment of a solo debut. Nicki Minaj is just creating a twitter maelstrom so that her trending name would be associated with a British girl band instead of her potential arrest for harassing her husband's rape victim. And it worked! UGH

Additionally, I know that Jesy has talked about wanting to break into the mainstream American music scene and this single clearly attempts to advance that agenda. Which makes the whole song even more problematic. Like racial politics in the USA are way more heated than in the UK. She wants to cosplay as a black woman without knowing the basic history of chatel slavery, housing discrimination, and police brutality? She wants to recreate early 2000s R&B and rap without understanding the racism embedded in the music industry that reluctantly accepted outwardly "black" music for the first time only after centuries of appropriation and erasure? So fucking pathetic. As an American, I don't see how the public would want to embrace this random ignorant white chick from a girlband people don't even really know.

Finally, I cannot believe her naivete about her launching her solo career. She is constantly reiterating that her statement never claimed that she wanted to abandon the industry, but instead free her from comparison to her bandmates. I truly believe she just wanted a good narrative for going solo, because that is an idiotic thought. Instead of being compared to just 3 other girls that seem to have her best interests at heart, she is going to be compared to the entire field of pop performers. Also, she claims to have attempted suicide due to the toll of trolling online. I genuinely do not blame her for her reaction to online abuse, online bullying like that is horrific. But that trolling is not just going to disappear when she's solo? And clearly she cannot handle it. If I had a history of suicidal ideation in reaction to my career as a pop star, I would perhaps consider a different path forward.

God, I cannot believe I just wrote that essay in response to Jesy Nelson, who I genuinely only knew as balegdah girl until a few months ago.
 
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QueenC93

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I don’t think her new single is that great but I can’t agree with this whole black fishing thing. You can’t win these days, if she said she doesn’t like black culture, rnb music etc she would be called racist, when she does say it she’s accused of black fishing. People talking about her tan? I mean, is there a tan limit that white people now can’t cross? Feels like this is the latest buzzword that everyone wants to get hysterical about and it’s getting really boring.
I’ll take a guess and assume you’re white from this. Respectfully, you’ll probably never understand.
Imagine being black and being told your skin tone is ugly, you should bleach, you’d be prettier if you were mixed with something or “You’re pretty for a black girl”, “This is why black guys date white women” I could go on…

And then imagine white women adopt your culture and her praised for it, they get idolised and succeed.
How would you feel?
The comments above were made to me as a child/teenager in school, at college and online by various people, some don’t realise the harm they do.
I used to search for bleaching creams and I am considered a “lighter skinned” black person, imagine how dark skin girls feel to see people like Jesy idolised whilst she adopts our culture but they’re abused and overlooked?!

It’s not a buzzword as you say. I wish it was!
 
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