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squatternutbosh · Oct 13, 2021

If anyone wants an example of how cultural appropriation impacts POC- here’s just 1 example from my life :
I’m from the Middle East, applying henna on hands during celebrations like weddings and other holidays is a custom.
I went to school in Essex. Not Jesy’s school but quite nearby and around the same time, so u can imagine the demographic, social mindset and trends were the same amongst my age group.
One day I rocked up to school with beautiful mahogany intricate henna designs on my palms and back of my hands. A group of white girls (u know the popular clique in the year group, there always was one) saw it and came down on me like an avalanche
“Why u got curry on ur hands babe”
“Does it smell like curry”
“Looks like u wiped ur arse without toilet paper”
Every. Single. Day. Until the henna stain faded, which takes around 2 weeks.
I was so traumatised, that I resorted to wearing gloves even during lessons until my henna stain faded.
Fast forward to present day and I see a fb pik from a group with a couple of the girls tagged on a holiday to Marrakech. Hands adorned in henna, wearing Arabic outfits whilst sipping cocktails on desert safari.
Imagine my fury, of the pain and torment I felt about my culture at the behest of these bimbos, only for them a few years later to wear it bcoz it’s a fashionable trend now.
my culture isn’t a fucking aesthetic. My skin colour isn’t a fucking aesthetic.

urghmummybloggers · Oct 12, 2021

What kind of reach is the Eminem argument?

Do these people even know who Eminem is? Did they not go to school with a million boys having a peroxide short haircut? He grew up in a pretty hard area of Detroit, and has been very upfront and honest about coming from a poor WHITE background and being “trailer trash”, who was immersed in black culture and respects and doesn’t profit of it, actually promoted young black talent like 50 & Obie Trice.

He wasn’t doing expressive dance at fucking Sylvia Young then pretending to be some urban baddie who loves a “bad boy” and stealing and appropriating black culture. Behave yourselves

KINGAA · Oct 9, 2021

Bbbexster said:
I don’t think her new single is that great but I can’t agree with this whole black fishing thing. You can’t win these days, if she said she doesn’t like black culture, rnb music etc she would be called racist, when she does say it and imitate it she’s accused of black fishing. Feels like this is the latest buzzword that everyone wants to get hysterical about and it’s getting really boring.

Achilles · Oct 9, 2021

Bbbexster said:
I don’t think her new single is that great but I can’t agree with this whole black fishing thing. You can’t win these days, if she said she doesn’t like black culture, rnb music etc she would be called racist, when she does say it and imitate it she’s accused of black fishing. Is Eminem black fishing? Feels like this is the latest buzzword that everyone wants to get hysterical about and it’s getting really boring.

You can like black culture and music without trying to look black yourself. People who don't know Jesy are thinking she is a black/mixed woman because she wears such dark fake tan, wears massive curly wigs, injects her lips so much, etc. No one has ever looked at Eminem and thought he was a black/biracial man!

Oohthedrama · Oct 9, 2021

Bbbexster said:
I don’t think her new single is that great but I can’t agree with this whole black fishing thing. You can’t win these days, if she said she doesn’t like black culture, rnb music etc she would be called racist, when she does say it she’s accused of black fishing. People talking about her tan? I mean, is there a tan limit that white people now can’t cross? Feels like this is the latest buzzword that everyone wants to get hysterical about and it’s getting really boring.

I think racism is being dragged into a lot of arguments (unnecessarily) lately.
But I urge you to research black fishing, it’s actually very interesting, it’s not about liking Beyoncé and wearing fake tan,
It’s about taking all the positive attributes from being a black woman and benefiting from them, whilst never understanding the struggles that black women face on the daily because of these attributes,
I’m not in a position to explain it but from what I’ve read I can see why it’s an issue.

Bbbexster · Oct 9, 2021

I don’t think her new single is that great but I can’t agree with this whole black fishing thing. You can’t win these days, if she said she doesn’t like black culture, rnb music etc she would be called racist, when she does say it she’s accused of black fishing. People talking about her tan? I mean, is there a tan limit that white people now can’t cross? Feels like this is the latest buzzword that everyone wants to get hysterical about and it’s getting really boring.

jackolantern · Oct 9, 2021

Scotch Mist said:
People need to shut up about cultural appropration as it's fucking nonsense. Where does it end? We won't be able to eat Indian food soon or wear pyjamas or do anything that didn't originate in our own country
And how exactly does this benefit anyone in the world?

Honestly I think Jesy is a pathetic little twat and the music and fashion is hideous. It's a bit rich that everyone is jumping on her though as she's not the only woman in the world who puts on too much fake tan, has those gross duck lips or wears her hair curly. Enough already.

Why on earth is this thread dedicated to being down on Jesy for her appearance?
I'm definitely not a fan of her hideous taste in fashion but that's her choice.
What we should be criticising here is her lack of originality or talent.

Does she have any ability as a songwriter or musician? I'm guessing that she doesn't, so her solo career probably isn't going to last very long anyway.

It's physically painful that you think Jesy's behaviour is the equivalent of saying someone can't eat Indian food or use products from another country. And unbelievably disrespectful to say the least. The issues people are raising are fuck all to do with 'being down on Jesy for her appearance'. Honestly the fact that there are still people can't see the issue here, shows how much of a problem it really is.

I'm white so while I may find your initial statement disgusting, I hope you realise there are many black, mixed or women of many other races in this thread and saying that to them is horrific beyond belief. You don't get to tell people how they feel about their own cultures and experiences.

orlyb1310 · Oct 9, 2021

People in the UK don’t know Jesy is white. I wouldn’t call myself a huge little mix fan but I’ve casually followed their careers and liked many of their songs since the xfactor days and I only learnt a few months ago that Jesy is 100% white. Having curly hair or a bit of a tan isn’t the issue - obviously they’re not attributes exclusive to black people. It’s the extent to which she goes to make herself appear racially ambiguous because racial ambiguity sells. The durags, the stereotypical street wear etc. Entirely different to your classic Essex or Scouse white girls who love a fake tan but look orange, not mixed race. But tbh, the whole lip filler, BBL rise is because the curvaceous bodies of WOC are now ‘in style’ whereas years ago, black women were bullied for their features (and tbh big bums and big lips are still much more appreciated when they’re on white women or lighter skinned WOC). At the end of the day, Jesy can take out the extensions, scrub off the fake tan, dissolve the lip fillers and she won’t be subjected to racism like Leigh Anne, Jade and all the other people of colour in the music industry and beyond are. If the blackfishing wasn’t enough, the whole message of the song is just inappropriate and she has a lot of explaining to do. Of course she isn’t the first to do it. Cardi B said she didn’t even consider herself black a few years ago and now she doesn’t have a single song where she isn’t saying the N word. Gwen Stefani, P!nk, Xtina etc were doing it more subtly 20 years ago. Even Ariana Grande has been accused of it. Jesy’s is the most blatant and disgusting case of blackfishing and cultural appropriation I’ve seen in recent times in western music though. It’s so rife in the kpop industry too. So yes it is serious and it isn’t just a bunch of people on the internet trying to be ‘woke’. Telling a large portion of black people that they’re being hysterical and are over-reacting is gaslighty and racist.

jackolantern · Oct 9, 2021

Bbbexster said:
I don’t think her new single is that great but I can’t agree with this whole black fishing thing. You can’t win these days, if she said she doesn’t like black culture, rnb music etc she would be called racist, when she does say it and imitate it she’s accused of black fishing. Is Eminem black fishing? Feels like this is the latest buzzword that everyone wants to get hysterical about and it’s getting really boring.

Come again? This isn't even close to the best example of her blackfishing - but it is the only photo I could find of her *actual* skintone as a white woman, which tells you everything you need to know. She has literally blackfished so long history has her basically written as a mixed race woman.

Bubblesandflowers · Oct 9, 2021

I think people are missing the point that Jesy is using the fetishisation of black men being “bad boys” to her advantage financially and musically. She is also being very ethnically ambiguous to advantage her.

I was talking to my OH (a black man) about this Jesy business. He says he must count as a bad boy because of the amount of times he has been stopped and searched for simply looking the way he does. And it breaks my heart knowing that our son will only experience the same. Because in this day and age it is cool for white people to be black to benefit them but they have the ability to turn that off for their white privilege to reengage within acceptable societal norms.

He wants me to also tell you all that the song is shit too....

AdApathy · Oct 9, 2021

I'm mixed race and it absolutely boils my piss that some white people are acting like what Jesy is doing is fine. NO it isn't.

Shnark · Oct 13, 2021

Sea said:
Not a follower of the band or Jesy and definitely not that Minaj.
Genuine question and am hear to understand but what is wrong with Jessy having tans/lips/curly hair/rapping?
Black women relax their hair/wigs/blonde/sing non rap songs.

Japanese/Korean bleach their hair blond, wear light colour contact lenses and sing in English
White women wearing Indian outfits and henna etc.

Surely it's freedom to dress, to sing whatever, so much is mix and match nowadays, even down to fusion food!

Read the previous thread or google blackfishing. You are being wilfully ignorant.

urghmummybloggers · Oct 9, 2021

Moog77 said:
Just in case my original post was missed...Christina Aguilera is mixed race. She's half latina...her father is ecuadorian.

Let's not compare a mixed race artist to a white lass from romford thinking she's from the hood with her grills and homies.....

This….. she’s a Latina woman who was born in New York and could have been heavily influenced by the chola aesthetic growing up.

Not Jesy Nelson from fucking Romford who shagged a love island contestant for a bit and is now out here wearing basketball shorts and riding around on low ride bikes talking about bad boyz with an all black male line up behind her.

Genuinely baffled at how people don’t see any issue with that - calm down Julie, no ones coming for your Saturday night curry, we just don’t want white women backfishing and treating our culture as a fashion statement to sell a shit single.

Ugholhere · Oct 11, 2021

Little Mix’s PR guy

GossWhore · Oct 9, 2021

Bbbexster said:
I don’t think her new single is that great but I can’t agree with this whole black fishing thing. You can’t win these days, if she said she doesn’t like black culture, rnb music etc she would be called racist, when she does say it she’s accused of black fishing. People talking about her tan? I mean, is there a tan limit that white people now can’t cross? Feels like this is the latest buzzword that everyone wants to get hysterical about and it’s getting really boring.

First question. Are YOU black??????????
From the way you contextualise this I would say 1000000% no so please respectfully stay outta black people business. Respectfully

Kat5998 · Oct 8, 2021

Oh dear, I haven’t fully listened to the song but lmaoooo

MavisWilton · Oct 12, 2021

I got a 2 hour train this evening, and was planning on reading my book, but somehow got sucked into the Jesy threads! Have found all the posts very educational and informative!

It's completely obvious, with the most basic of reading, why blackfishing is not ok. I was starting from a place where I feel like I pay attention to things anyway, but this whole fiasco just shows you can always, always learn more and grow further. Jesy just goes on the defence and then wonders why she has twats like Minaj and Dan Wooton on her side. Then laughing at the aggressive things Nicki was saying about Leigh-Anne, after doing a documentary about social media bullying... just a complete mess of a situation and I'd imagine she has done real damage to her burgeoning solo career. I do think she was clearly uncomfortable, but a person with backbone would have spoken back to Nicki and said she was going too far and Leigh-Anne had been her friend for a decade (even if it took a minute because you're in shock). Instead she just let her go on and on, and either said nothing or laughed like a schoolyard bully. Let's not forget she's 30 years old, not 14.

I think Jesy hasn't a clue who she is or what she wants to be. Even going back to her first audition on X Factor, Gary Barlow said there was no originality in her performance. I never paid a huge amount of attention to Little Mix, but it was clear when she brought out her documentary that she is not in the right job for someone like that, with major self-esteem issues. Her lips also look absolutely ridiculous.

THEN I got home and watched both her video and the video for the original song, and cringed so hard I've given myself whiplash. No originality, literally ripping off a black person's work frame by frame, from the old man at the beginning, to the cameo copied EXACTLY. The Guardian review says it better than I can- derivative, lazy, feeds into harmful tropes about "bad boys" and the hood, and says she could have used her debut solo single to subvert those things and do something interesting.

Gah, the whole thing is just cringe beyond belief, and she's burned her bridges completely with the other girls, I imagine.

jackolantern · Oct 9, 2021

She's so fucking narcissistic it's nauseating. Proper eyefucking herself in every selfie, no confidence my arse.

peachesncreammm · Oct 9, 2021

Something doesn’t sit right with me about this guy going after a young black woman, who has newborn twins, at 10 o clock at night, being upset by her former band mate capitalising off the very same culture that she gets scrutinised for.

gigilouxx · Oct 12, 2021

All of it just reeks of jealousy towards Leigh Anne

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