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Fabulous title @Falkor !

Today's Guardian article was very much a welcome surprise.

I think on the last thread the discussion was about lesbians being called transphobic for not wanting to date a tw.

How did we get to a point where "genital preference" (so reductive) is 'transphobic'.

Funny how it's always the women who get the short end of the stick.

As JK Rowling says; "‘Feminazi’, ‘TERF’, ‘bitch’, ‘witch’. Times change. Woman-hate is eternal."

Every woman I know has been harassed, sexually abused or physically assaulted solely because they’re female.

Yet a TiM will spin them being called a male into a murder and violence issue.

Milliemoo99 said:

I said this at the end of the last thread, but still think its relevant!

I dont think its JK Rowling who is falling victim to an anti trans tunnel vision though. Trans issues arent actually the only issue she talks about, she is also still writing other books, and involved in further Hogwarts films....isnt there a new one out with Dumbledore happily coming out as Gay in it? Its Fantastic Beasts 3. The Secrets of Dumbledore.

Let alone the whole Strike TV series and new books!

Sadly because she is one of the few people willing and with the platform to say anything....maybe yes she is being used to promote or illustrate a pre conceived tunnel vision.....from anyone ....who has stopped reading or refering to all the actual facts.

However.... if you accept that a resolution to the issue of transgenderism is unlikely and difficult to find.... maybe you should also be able to realise why some people become so defensive! Some Women are feeling massively threatened........, as well as having to face abuse and dismissal from work and careers and police harrassment, just for their (legitmate) gender beliefs. so maybe these feelings also need to be addressed, as well as those of transgender individuals!

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She talks about woman's rights
She advocates for trans rights especially those of children
She points out the lunacy of referring to woman rapists by Police Scotland. In England in 6 years there where 432 woman labelled as rapists
She receives violent threats from men
She receives rape threats from men
She receives death threats from men

She is not a victim and she is not following an anti trans tunnel........to even do that she would have to be anti trans something she has never been despite the outcry that she is largely from men. I myself as a man support the stance JK has taken in support of Woman's rights.

A lot of what we now call 'trans women' don't want a third space, they want access to the female space for their own validation. This is the problem with the trans umbrella being so broad, it includes cross dressers and fetishists and we're deemed bigots if we call that out because 'trans women are women!'

suspecrobot said:

I’m a lesbian and I have no issues whatsoever with trans people. I do however have issues with men who still have penises and have no intention of undergoing genital surgery but still identify as women. Some insist that they should be allowed into women only spaces such as changing rooms and public toilets, and that if they go to prison they should go to a women’s prison. Several self-identified trans women have sexually assaulted or raped women prisoners whilst in jail.

They also believe that lesbians who won’t sleep with them are transphobic and have attacked and harassed women who don‘t agree with them.

These are the types that JK Rowling has issues with.

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Those are also the type I have issues with... And also men transitioning to women believing they should be allowed to compete in the woman's section of sports. I disagree with that a lot because they are built so differently genetically. Just because they've transitioned, doesn't take away the fact that their body is built so much stronger, etc.

Snowystar said:

Why would you have an issue with a transwoman in a womans only space?
Your gender identity is female (I'm assuming your not a man!) so changing it from gender recognition to gender identity affects you how? How does it practically make anything different for you?

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Gender is a social construct - a load of restrictive, stereotypical nonsense. A woman is not an “identity” - we are our sex and the experiences that come with living as female in this world. Changing rooms, toilets etc are divided on the basis of our biological sex. I expect to be able to go into a female changing room and to be only with other women. A transwoman is not a woman and should not be in female only spaces.

Trouble with the online world is Twitter is an echo chamber for activists and does not necessarily reflect the wider public, everything seems to be an extreme pile-on. One example is before the last government election, if you believed Twitter it was likely to be a Labour landslide but evidently the reality was not the same and I remember the disappointment and disbelief on Twitter the next day. Often opinions that are strong on social media are just far more concentrated than if you extrapolate it to the general population.

I beleive that anyone who wants to transition, can, and should, but I do object to womens' safe spaces being compromised by the few people who happen to have male sex organs and in some cases aggressively insist on doing so. Misogyny is real and is very hateful. I think going forward public buildings need to have more single stall unisex toilets facilities alongside male only or female only facilities so that every one can have a choice they deem safe. I do not hate anyone for what gender they perceive themselves, but I want a womens only toilet. But if I said this on Twitter there would be an onslaught. Women should be able to keep the spaces such as single sex changing facilities. It seems on twitter you can't have mutually reasonable and open discussions. If you don't pander to the activist party line then apparently you are evil in their eyes for saying something like "I feel safer in single sex toilet".

Personally, I will always use peoples' preferred pronouns, I will respect peoples' right to dress and present however they wish. I would petition for adjacently available single stall unisex toilet facilities for the comfort and safety of all. But I would also expect people fo undersrand that for many women, single sex couselling groups, changing rooms, hospital wards etc should not be given up. From the dawn of time women have typically been physically smaller in build and disenfranchised compared to males. Many women can feel inherently unsafe in public situations. I hate that a lot of activists disregard any legitimate fears women might have, without actually listening and empathising.

I am not homophobic and I empathise that life must very hard for non binary and trans people too. It is a very sensitive topic and I wish everyone would be calmer and dicsuss kindly. Perhaps one day soon we can come to an acceptible way of providing safe spaces for everyone, not at anyones' expense.

TLDR; it is in my view possible to agree with JK Rowling whilst being emapthetic to all, including trans people. Women should not lose their identity in the process, or safe spaces, but society must move forward and consider how to provide for everyone. Compassion for all sides, and not misogyny, is needed.

SqualorVictoria said:

I don't even really believe that you can raise a child free of gender stereotypes. Kids will gravitate to whatever they like regardless of what you try to push. So if they like dolls, let them whether they're a boy or girl, surely that's the whole point. I heard of someone buying a toy kitchen for her boys to try and be a bit gender neutral and they rejected it and played with their other toys instead. The key thing is to let kids play with what they want surely instead of telling them no you can't play with that because you're a boy. It has to be organic rather than forced

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Trans activism is literally based on gender stereotypes. You can only be a gender stereotype because, newsflash, if you are not a particular sex, you don't know what it is like to be a particular sex, outside of gender stereotyped behaviour. You do not know what it feels like to start your periods or grow breasts or give birth or go through the menopause. I have no idea what it is like to have an erection. I still do not know this when I wear trousers.

AnderbeauJohnson said:

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This type of hyperbole is ridiculous

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Has any trans person actually been murdered in the street due to JK’s rhetoric?

NorthernValkyrie said:

This popped up in my feed. Patrick Christys quite agrees with the views here on the reunion.

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100% agree, particularly the last line:
'I don't think the Suffragettes gave their lives so someone with a penis could tell them what a women is'.

Exactly.

SqualorVictoria said:

This is not alarming at all



They're trying to make it seem that women are jealous of trans women. Everyone knows that that is not true.

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Oh yes I as a "breeder" am just drowning in privilege. That time as a little girl I was sexually abused, privilege. That time I was date raped in college, privilege. When these assaults were reported, being questioned about what I did to bring them on myself, privilege. Everytime some bloke has staggered up to me to make sexual comments, privilege. Not being able to safely walk about on my own in certain areas, privilege. The fact I earn less than men for the same job, privilege. Diseases that I am at risk of because of my biological sex, privilege. The fact I am risk physically as I am smaller and weaker than most as a 5 ft 3 woman, privilege. The fact is was not inlegal for a man to rape his wife until 1992 in my country, the first prosecution in 2002, privilege. Now my country , Ireland, has made it legal for any bloke to say he is a woman,, no hormones no surgery no questions asked with two of these men housed in a womans prison today, privilege. The highest rate of VAT applied to feminine hygiene products, privilege. Paying 55 quid for a dr visit to get a prescription (30 quid for the pills for three months)for the pill so I can work and live without crippling period pain, privilege. Meanwhile limpdick Larry can get his Viagra over the counter at Boots so he can leave his wife dissatisfied on the cheap. The fact that our health service removed the word "woman" from cervical cancer screening literature while still covering up the deaths of women told they were cancer free when in fact they were given the wrong test results, privilege. The fact is these Berks haven't got the testicular fortitude to be a woman in this world. GTFO with their nonsense of "cis privilege"

To add to my rant the two self identified "women" housed in the women's prison, well one has ten convictions for sexually assaulting women and one for assault of a child. The second person has threatened to murder women, attacked several women, tore the eyelids off of a social worker caring for them and his own mother has been in hiding due to credible threats to kill her. This person was also sent to the Tavistock clinic to be diagnosed with gender dysphoria but the specialists there said he was not dysphoric just a danger to women and our courts placed him in women's prison on the guys say so. So much privilege.

HockyRorror said:

I love how it very quickly turned from a slagging off thread on page one thread one to the complete opposite

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And that’s because anyone with any capacity for critical thinking understands that gender ideology is incontrovertible nonsense and JKR lampoons it with incisive eloquence.

gukkies said:

She is awfully focused on what genitals people have in their pants and what people choose to identify as. She loves to victimise herself the moment trans people choose to challenge her. I've had trans friends who were big supporters of her feel utterly invalidated and isolated by her words. She's a TERF. Simple as.

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See, I see things as the other way around. TRAs constantly scream about genitals. They demand to know if a straight woman is only attracted to a penis, or a lesbian only attracted to a vagina. Genitals are not the only part of the make up of someone's sex. Your entire physical makeup is what makes you a woman or a man, not liking makeup or high heels or any of that other superficial bullshit. Trans people are the ultimate "victims" screaming yet again that everyone wants them dead, calling women disgusting vulgar names. The aggression you see them spout towards women (never men) is appalling. As soon as someone challenges a TRA, THEY victimise THEMSELVES. Nobody wants them dead, just not everyone wants to go along with their delusions and for some reason they think they're the same thing.

I also don't get the term TERF because believing some men are just as much women as biological women is faaaar more radical then believing the opposite.

I want to say one thing unrelated to the trans issue. JKR now gets a load of shit for "racism" in the books ie names of minority characters (Cho Chang Kingsley Shacklebolt). I really think people need to remember that the first HP book was published in 1997 and back then there was hardly any representation of people of colour in children's books. As a WOC myself, I remember as a child when I read the books specifically noticing and appreciating the fact there were multiple characters she specifically stated were black. That just didn't happen in other books at the time. This whole "thing" we have these days of revisiting work and nitpicking over every tiny element of it really hacks me off. Society evolves. People's opinions change. When I was at school in the early 00s for example it was totally normal to use "gay" sparingly as an insult ie "oh that's so gay". I would NEVER say that now because I know that it isn't OK, but back then I did. These days people are tripping up not to offend each other - there's no room to learn and to grow, just relentless criticism if you get it wrong.

As for the anti semitism claims, if you look at fictional goblins who run a bank and immediately think "jews", I'd say the problem is yours, not JKR's. A massive, massive theme in HP series is prejudice and showing how wrong it is to treat others differently. I honestly find it distressing that, because she's dared to speak up for women, every single tiny part of her books is being ripped to shreds.

Anyway that's my two cents, as you were.

mindlessness said:

As per the Trans Murder Monitoring Project (https://transrespect.org/en/tmm-update-tdor-2020/), in 2020:

To be clear, every single murder is abhorrent. But I also don't think JKR having Gender Critical views is to blame for them.

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And the sad part is that, rather than focusing on things such as having safe pathways out of prostitution and addiction, getting better education and housing opportunities (especially in South America), fighting to get rid of pimps and condemning male violence against trans women, your average UK TRA would rather just sit around all day tweeting at JK.

There's far too much to catch it all but here are a few highlights....






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And just for lulz...

(I accidentally cut off the ratio but it was good.)

Men who transition to be 'women' will never menstruate, have a womb, have overies, have a cervix ....need I go on.
When the trans movement are offended by women speaking the very basic biology truth we have a problem.
No medical doctor is going to disagree with the above statement. Now I'd rather be treated by a medically trained doctor who understands the human anatomy than a so quack interested in the metaphysics of gender and sex and making sure men who have gender dysphoria feel comfortable.

Really many trans women (men) are misogyny personified. They have ridiculous notions about what it is to be and look like a woman. And there seems to be a sinister movement of men (who have a things for trans) using the idea of a TERF to display vile misogyny whilst sleeping with men (dressed as women).
It's such a fucked up way of men yet again keeping women down

Imo she was sticking up for women, who are now being reduced to 'people with uteruses' and 'people who menstruate.' We've come so far and this shit is setting us back.
People are going on about trans people's feelings but they are some of the most vicious and violent people I've seen online.

Inforapenny said:

Love JK Rowling for fighting the fight

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Me too. It absolutely needed to be said. I know some people think this has come out of nowhere and that she’s stirring the pot, but that’s not the case at all. Women have been asking to be heard on this matter for at least five years now to no avail (I say that as that’s when I started hearing about it all). This is not an ‘attack’. It’s is a request that women’s rights and spaces are not put at risk. Anyone who thinks her statement is hateful obviously hasn’t read it properly or at all.

As for why, well why shouldn’t she be allowed to air her views? She’s a grown woman. She hasn’t said anything hateful or used derogatory language. A pr team can’t stop her from posting what she likes on her own social media account, she pays them, not the other way round.

klarakluckbag said:

So basically they're telling everyone that they don't give a shit about women's rights, as long as men in tights get to jerk off in female toilets?
As far as business decisions go, it's right up there with Gerald Ratner and his prawn sandwich comments

Gerald Ratner - Wikipedia

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We've just come back from our hols on a Caravanning and Camping Club site. Mr Mice nipped into the toilets for a quick wee while I had the Dog outside. This TiM came over and simpered "Oooh she's lovely - is she friendly" and I told him that she was, but had been badly abused before we got her so was very shy (sure enough she didn' let him touch her- just pulled away). Mr Mice practically followed him out so I said "He's just come out of the toilet block but I don't know if he came out of the ladies'". Mr Mice said "Well, he wasn't in the men's"

I thought "Right".

The reception was closed so I pulled one of the staff members about it. I mentioned that there was a trans-identified man on the site, and that he seemed a pleasant enough man but I suspected he was using the women's toilets and showers. The gist was:

StaffMember (SM). - Oh - he has a right to. He's a woman

Me - (slightly tickled by the pronoun use). I'm afraid he hasn't got a right to use the women's facilities. He's a man. Transwomen are men.

SM - Yes but he's legally entitled to use the women's because it's the law.

Me - No, you're mistaken. It isn't the law. Have you seen the Supreme Court clarification on the law? It states that everyone has to use facilities relating to their birth sex where those facilities are provided. If he is using the women's toilets and showers, he's breaking the law. And if you facilitate, encourage or allow him to use it, then so are you, I'm afraid. If anything happens it's your responsibility.

SM - I'll have to get on to the Caravan and camping Club about this

ME - I appreciate that, but they really need to check the law and the recent ruling. The only way you have even half a leg to stand on is if you don't have room for seperate blocks and have floor to ceiling doors and self-contained facilities.*.

SM - Oh we don't have them.

Me - I know.

SM - When they book we don't know they just book as Mrs X or Miss Y or whatever so we don't know what they are. We can't stop them coming.

Me - I realise that, and there's no reason to stop anyone coming to the site - they just need to be aware that they have to use the toilet relating to their sex and not their gender.

SM - I don't know which he's using - I can't follow him in.

Me - I know and I know it's difficult, but you could put a sign on the doors saying "These are SEX-SEGREGATED facilities . Please use the block relating to your birth sex"

SM - I'll have to ring the C&C Club about it if you don't mind. This has been a minefield for us.

Me - I appreciate that. It's been really difficult for everybody. As I said - he's a pleasant enough man, but I don't want to be showering next to any man, no matter how nice he is.

SM - Problem is, they aren't comfortable in the men's.

Me - I'm sure he isn't, but women aren't comfortable with him in the women's. You know there will be women in there who have been assaulted in the past, don't you? Women who have suffered domestic violence. Small children. I'm not saying that he's a wrong-un - I'm saying that there shouldn't be any adult men in the women's facilities.

SM - Well - I go in to clean them.

Me - Yes, but you wouldn't go in to use them, would you?. Or if women were in there showering? You make it clear that the block is closed for cleaning at whatever time and there is no-one in there.

SM - If you don't. mind I'll have to ring the club about this.

Anyway, the upshot is he's going to get in touch with the Caravan and Camping Club regarding it. In some ways I felt sorry for him. He obviously just didn't want any hassle (and, I suspect, was frightened of having to confront this man who was considerably bigger than he was). I can understand him not wanting trouble. As I said, we left the site shortly afterwards (our last day as it happens), but I felt I had to say something about it. If people just turn a blind eye we'll never get anywhere with this. We both kept our tempers and I stood my ground. I hope he does ring to check and wasn't just trying to get rid of this rant old bat. I hope everything I said was right - I couldn't remember details.

I don't know if any of you have had similar experiences at camp/caravan sites, but if so let me know if you've had any success. (And if any of you go to Beadnell let me know if there are any clear signs put up. Thanks)


ETA - on a slightly different note - the National Trust shop at Seahouses has greatly scaled back their "pride joy". A bit of rainbow ribbon and a couple of books in the window at the entrance. My heart lifted a little there)