CheshireLove

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Why would you have an issue with a transwoman in a womans only space?
Your gender identity is female (I'm assuming your not a man!) so changing it from gender recognition to gender identity affects you how? How does it practically make anything different for you?
Gender is a social construct - a load of restrictive, stereotypical nonsense. A woman is not an “identity” - we are our sex and the experiences that come with living as female in this world. Changing rooms, toilets etc are divided on the basis of our biological sex. I expect to be able to go into a female changing room and to be only with other women. A transwoman is not a woman and should not be in female only spaces.
 
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NonDairyQueen

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I don't even really believe that you can raise a child free of gender stereotypes. Kids will gravitate to whatever they like regardless of what you try to push. So if they like dolls, let them whether they're a boy or girl, surely that's the whole point. I heard of someone buying a toy kitchen for her boys to try and be a bit gender neutral and they rejected it and played with their other toys instead. The key thing is to let kids play with what they want surely instead of telling them no you can't play with that because you're a boy. It has to be organic rather than forced
Trans activism is literally based on gender stereotypes. You can only be a gender stereotype because, newsflash, if you are not a particular sex, you don't know what it is like to be a particular sex, outside of gender stereotyped behaviour. You do not know what it feels like to start your periods or grow breasts or give birth or go through the menopause. I have no idea what it is like to have an erection. I still do not know this when I wear trousers.
 
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bubbletea123

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I’m a lesbian and I have no issues whatsoever with trans people. I do however have issues with men who still have penises and have no intention of undergoing genital surgery but still identify as women. Some insist that they should be allowed into women only spaces such as changing rooms and public toilets, and that if they go to prison they should go to a women’s prison. Several self-identified trans women have sexually assaulted or raped women prisoners whilst in jail.

They also believe that lesbians who won’t sleep with them are transphobic and have attacked and harassed women who don‘t agree with them.

These are the types that JK Rowling has issues with.
Those are also the type I have issues with... And also men transitioning to women believing they should be allowed to compete in the woman's section of sports. I disagree with that a lot because they are built so differently genetically. Just because they've transitioned, doesn't take away the fact that their body is built so much stronger, etc.
 
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Badirene

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This is not alarming at all



They're trying to make it seem that women are jealous of trans women. Everyone knows that that is not true.
Oh yes I as a "breeder" am just drowning in privilege. That time as a little girl I was sexually abused, privilege. That time I was date raped in college, privilege. When these assaults were reported, being questioned about what I did to bring them on myself, privilege. Everytime some bloke has staggered up to me to make sexual comments, privilege. Not being able to safely walk about on my own in certain areas, privilege. The fact I earn less than men for the same job, privilege. Diseases that I am at risk of because of my biological sex, privilege. The fact I am risk physically as I am smaller and weaker than most as a 5 ft 3 woman, privilege. The fact is was not inlegal for a man to rape his wife until 1992 in my country, the first prosecution in 2002, privilege. Now my country , Ireland, has made it legal for any bloke to say he is a woman,, no hormones no surgery no questions asked with two of these men housed in a womans prison today, privilege. The highest rate of VAT applied to feminine hygiene products, privilege. Paying 55 quid for a dr visit to get a prescription (30 quid for the pills for three months)for the pill so I can work and live without crippling period pain, privilege. Meanwhile limpdick Larry can get his Viagra over the counter at Boots so he can leave his wife dissatisfied on the cheap. The fact that our health service removed the word "woman" from cervical cancer screening literature while still covering up the deaths of women told they were cancer free when in fact they were given the wrong test results, privilege. The fact is these Berks haven't got the testicular fortitude to be a woman in this world. GTFO with their nonsense of "cis privilege"

To add to my rant the two self identified "women" housed in the women's prison, well one has ten convictions for sexually assaulting women and one for assault of a child. The second person has threatened to murder women, attacked several women, tore the eyelids off of a social worker caring for them and his own mother has been in hiding due to credible threats to kill her. This person was also sent to the Tavistock clinic to be diagnosed with gender dysphoria but the specialists there said he was not dysphoric just a danger to women and our courts placed him in women's prison on the guys say so. So much privilege.
 
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pommobear

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I want to say one thing unrelated to the trans issue. JKR now gets a load of shit for "racism" in the books ie names of minority characters (Cho Chang Kingsley Shacklebolt). I really think people need to remember that the first HP book was published in 1997 and back then there was hardly any representation of people of colour in children's books. As a WOC myself, I remember as a child when I read the books specifically noticing and appreciating the fact there were multiple characters she specifically stated were black. That just didn't happen in other books at the time. This whole "thing" we have these days of revisiting work and nitpicking over every tiny element of it really hacks me off. Society evolves. People's opinions change. When I was at school in the early 00s for example it was totally normal to use "gay" sparingly as an insult ie "oh that's so gay". I would NEVER say that now because I know that it isn't OK, but back then I did. These days people are tripping up not to offend each other - there's no room to learn and to grow, just relentless criticism if you get it wrong.

As for the anti semitism claims, if you look at fictional goblins who run a bank and immediately think "jews", I'd say the problem is yours, not JKR's. A massive, massive theme in HP series is prejudice and showing how wrong it is to treat others differently. I honestly find it distressing that, because she's dared to speak up for women, every single tiny part of her books is being ripped to shreds.

Anyway that's my two cents, as you were.
 
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AnderbeauJohnson

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As per the Trans Murder Monitoring Project (https://transrespect.org/en/tmm-update-tdor-2020/), in 2020:

To be clear, every single murder is abhorrent. But I also don't think JKR having Gender Critical views is to blame for them.
And the sad part is that, rather than focusing on things such as having safe pathways out of prostitution and addiction, getting better education and housing opportunities (especially in South America), fighting to get rid of pimps and condemning male violence against trans women, your average UK TRA would rather just sit around all day tweeting at JK.
 
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Bitofthebubbly

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Love JK Rowling for fighting the fight ✊
Me too. It absolutely needed to be said. I know some people think this has come out of nowhere and that she’s stirring the pot, but that’s not the case at all. Women have been asking to be heard on this matter for at least five years now to no avail (I say that as that’s when I started hearing about it all). This is not an ‘attack’. It’s is a request that women’s rights and spaces are not put at risk. Anyone who thinks her statement is hateful obviously hasn’t read it properly or at all.

As for why, well why shouldn’t she be allowed to air her views? She’s a grown woman. She hasn’t said anything hateful or used derogatory language. A pr team can’t stop her from posting what she likes on her own social media account, she pays them, not the other way round.
 
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jewelkitty

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She is awfully focused on what genitals people have in their pants and what people choose to identify as. She loves to victimise herself the moment trans people choose to challenge her. I've had trans friends who were big supporters of her feel utterly invalidated and isolated by her words. She's a TERF. Simple as.
See, I see things as the other way around. TRAs constantly scream about genitals. They demand to know if a straight woman is only attracted to a penis, or a lesbian only attracted to a vagina. Genitals are not the only part of the make up of someone's sex. Your entire physical makeup is what makes you a woman or a man, not liking makeup or high heels or any of that other superficial bullshit. Trans people are the ultimate "victims" screaming yet again that everyone wants them dead, calling women disgusting vulgar names. The aggression you see them spout towards women (never men) is appalling. As soon as someone challenges a TRA, THEY victimise THEMSELVES. Nobody wants them dead, just not everyone wants to go along with their delusions and for some reason they think they're the same thing.

I also don't get the term TERF because believing some men are just as much women as biological women is faaaar more radical then believing the opposite.
 
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Inforapenny

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Men who transition to be 'women' will never menstruate, have a womb, have overies, have a cervix ....need I go on.
When the trans movement are offended by women speaking the very basic biology truth we have a problem.
No medical doctor is going to disagree with the above statement. Now I'd rather be treated by a medically trained doctor who understands the human anatomy than a so quack interested in the metaphysics of gender and sex and making sure men who have gender dysphoria feel comfortable.

Really many trans women (men) are misogyny personified. They have ridiculous notions about what it is to be and look like a woman. And there seems to be a sinister movement of men (who have a things for trans) using the idea of a TERF to display vile misogyny whilst sleeping with men (dressed as women).
It's such a fucked up way of men yet again keeping women down
 
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jewelkitty

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Imo she was sticking up for women, who are now being reduced to 'people with uteruses' and 'people who menstruate.' We've come so far and this shit is setting us back.
People are going on about trans people's feelings but they are some of the most vicious and violent people I've seen online.
 
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I followed the 'saga' tangentially and moved on, but I overall disagree that trans can't be indentified as women and that gender is specified solely on sexual organs. Though trans and born biological women navigate the world differently. I think there's a gerational problem with her mindset but in some aspects understand where she is coming from, specially the worry of teenagers taking hormones. Honestly it's not my fight one way or another even though I think trans community also has their right to talk back against ignorance, but I think there was also a hate campaign against her, overblowing some statements
Are you female or a man masquerading as a woman? I ask because it does make a difference. At the moment there is a war on women and that affects every woman. Women being female that is.
Trans women are not women. They are men. They have no place in women's spaces. They have no right to demand places in women's spaces. They certainly have no right to expect the rest of us to go along with their delusion and belief system.
The medicalisation of 'trans' children is an atrocity. Every adult in this country should be up in arms over it.
As for it not being your fight. If you are female then you should be ashamed of this comment. Women's sex based rights are not yours to give away.
There are two sexes. Male and female. Gender is the equivalent of fashion and has no importance whatsoever. Sex is the important characteristic and laws need to reflect that.
As for JK Rowling, she's brilliant, brave, talented, funny and she is definitely female.
 
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rosemarina

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You don’t get to say who is or isn’t really trans though.
It also doesn’t matter because it’s a made-up concept. There’s no such thing as “proof of trans”. It’s just nonsense in somebody’s head. Sex isn’t. Sex is real.

New Year’s Resolution for 2022. Let’s all stop saying “transwoman” and start saying trans-identifying male. They are not woman, not in any way. We need to take the language back. It’s our word, not theirs.
 
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Gamu

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Why would you have an issue with a transwoman in a womans only space?
Your gender identity is female (I'm assuming your not a man!) so changing it from gender recognition to gender identity affects you how? How does it practically make anything different for you?
No one with a penis should be in a woman only space. Women, not people, give birth. Breast feeding is not chest feeding. A female who is a rape victim should not be counselled by a man claiming he is a woman at a rape crisis centre, nor should she be compelled to use female pronouns in court should her rapist decide to identify as a woman before his trial. A man identifying as a woman should not be able to smash records in women’s sport. A child who was indecently exposed to by a man in a female changing room at a spa was told it was rude to look at people’s genitals, women of all ages and beliefs should not not have to receive intimate care from a trans woman instead of a woman. And a pfile who raped a German Shepherd should not then say he is a woman and that crime be reported and recorded as being committed by a woman. All of these things and many, many similar and more are happening. Women are being pilloried for speaking up or objecting. Does that answer your question? I have one for you- do you support the above because I truly can not see how any one who is not perverted would.

I think this is the first thread I've read on Tattle that are praising the person instead of bashing them 🤣
Although I dislike JK Rowling for her shitty comments over the years so don't think this is the thread for me 🤣
So why come back.
 
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HanLouBoo

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JK Rowling has brought this issue to a head and I’m really starting to see more and more people willing to stand up against the TRA bullies over the past few weeks. I can’t thank her enough.
 
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HockyRorror

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Daniel Radcliffe and Emma Watson are both a pair of spineless idiots who bleat shit trying to stay relevant.😡

I sincerely hope that neither of them are ever given the opportunity to appear in any of JKs work ever again, and let's face it there are plenty of better actors out there.
If JKR was as petty as me, she’d write one more HP book with Harry, Hermione and Ron which would be guaranteed to be turned into a film, stay completely silent on it until they tweeted how looking forward they were to be reprising the roles and then publicly humiliate them and ask them who on earth told them they were involved in it and then announce the new, better actors. Fortunately JKR is far more sensible and reasonable than I am and loves her creation and respects her fans too much.
 
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Basicbasic

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The trans lobby is inherently anti women. Look at the comments on this thread. If they were supportive of gays and lesbians why have they alienated lesbians by arguing that they are homophobic for refusing to sleep with trans women. Leave women alone. Leave us be. And stop calling us cis. We are not a sub set of woman. We are women. Not cis, not bleeders, not menstruators, not cervix holders. Women. Adult female human. Woman.
 
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Buf728

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I wonder how many have you have actually spoken to a transgender or gender non conforming person. Every one I know accepts that their biological sex cannot change but their dysphoria can be managed by changing their biological sex markers. That takes literally nothing away from biological females. They would never campaign against FGM issues and I am yet to see a credible source to back this up?

Recognising that not everyone who has a vagina presents as female is a life or death matter. What happens if a trans man is rejected from receiving medical care because his gender has been legally changed to male on all documents? He needs access to things like cervical smears which would be denied to him if we all lived in the fantasy land that everyone who has a vagina identifies as female.
I have a number of people in my social circles who identify as either non-binary or trans. Some are of the nature you describe, but one I just give up with even speaking to now, as they are of the extreme views that most on this thread are talking about. I accidentally called them “she” and although I apologised (I have grown up with them so it’s a difficult habit to get out of) they stormed off and kicked up a huge fuss, accusing me of being transphobic. The vast majority would not act this way and would understand you are trying your best, but some are absolutely exasperating to interact with when they are this extreme to jump on any minor accident as bigotry. I don’t think for one second anyone on here is disagreeing with what the vast majority of trans people believe, but rather the small minority that seem to be shouting the loudest across social media over anyone that attempts an intelligent debate.

I work in healthcare and it’s such a difficult process to even wade through. Some don’t tell you and then get offended when you ask medical questions that are related to their biological sex, even though without asking those questions it is putting their health at risk. The vast majority are open and acknowledge this though. I did once have someone who outright questioned after the consultation why I hadn’t asked them about cervical smears (maybe because I can tell you were formerly male and you don’t have a cervix??) - they got uptight about the fact that I clearly didn’t view them as “passing” so they challenged me on it. It’s just an absolute minefield and with people shutting down a debate on it it’s getting even harder.

My personal opinion is trans rights and women’s rights are separate. I believe in both, but when you attempt to smush them together like current wokeness would have you believe you erase another. We should be allies to each other, not pretending we are the same.
 
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