Hi, GP’s only have AZ as the Pfizer needs to be stored differently and surgeries don’t have the facilities for that. SSE is AZ and so are pharmacies. RVH is Pfizer, my dad had his first dose there last month. But depending on your age you may not get the option to book for the Royal. If you’re under 50 you’ll only be given the option for the SSE or possibly a pharmacy.
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Stop baiting me now or I'll report you.
The question is whether any of the reported reactions and indeed deaths were caused by the vaccine.
Using words like 'related', 'linked' etc just muddies the water. To date the MHRA has not found that the blood clots were caused by the vaccine and therefore that the 41 deaths were caused by the vaccine. When they have completed their investigation that may come to the conclusion that they all were, some of them were or none of them were. They have not come to any conclusion yet.
While the investigation is still going on they have recommended that as a precaution the AZ vaccine is not given to people under 30. That still doesn't mean that they have concluded that the vaccine caused the blood clots.
You are perfectly free to believe that the vaccine caused the blood clots and consequent deaths. What you believe is 'quite clear' or what the circumstances as you understand them 'suggests' to you 'could more than likely be the cause' is entirely up to you.
However please don't say that the MHRA has said that the blood clots and consequent deaths have been confirmed to be caused by the vaccine because that is just not true.
I think you meant to say after having the vaccine. "From having the vaccine' implies that the vaccine caused the serious injuries and deaths and as much as you might wish that to be true the MHRC and CDC have not reached that conclusion
I think it’s the other way round I’ve already gave you my reasoning twice
They won’t give you the AZ vaccine if you have a history of blood clots or platelet issues.
It’s only if it applies to you I asked this question before I got mine.I have a family history of blood clots too and was wondering if it would be an issue? The doctor has had no issue putting me on the pill which is more dangerous so I assume the AZ vaccine won’t be any different
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You must do whatever you feel in your heart AND take into account all proven facts around the vaccine. Drs are fantastic but they don't always get everything correct. I'm assuming your Dr prescribes you a contraceptive that's last likely to cause you blood clots? I believe Drs do the best they can with information given but I wouldn't 100% believe they know what's best for everyone. All I'm saying is trust your own instincts as well as putting blind trust in another person.I have a family history of blood clots too and was wondering if it would be an issue? The doctor has had no issue putting me on the pill which is more dangerous so I assume the AZ vaccine won’t be any different
Despite the government's insistence in its beneficial for everyone, actually it's not, they don't know the health history of 60 odd million people. Anyway, I hope you choose whatever benefits you most, whatever you choose
Where I live apparently the 30s age group won't be called for a couple years. Surely it will be finished by the time...
I don't wanna go ahead with the vaccine. I don't know the long term results from it I have 0 trust in the main company supplier and I feel like I don't trust what we're being told about the virus.
I don't wanna go ahead with the vaccine. I don't know the long term results from it I have 0 trust in the main company supplier and I feel like I don't trust what we're being told about the virus.
But there’s new guidance they issue along with the AZ vaccine that state’s these as rare side effects
It may come as a surprise to some people but as far as I know there is no 100% accurate method of determining the number of deaths due to Covid-19.
In the early days of Covid-19 the government reported the number of deaths of those who had a positive Covid-19 test at any time. This was done to ensure that the number of deaths caused by Covid-19 were not under-reported. It provided an approximate figure but its accuracy was affected by the fact that obviously some people died of other causes but also that testing for Covid-19 was still being developed and there was not a good understand of the symptoms so there was a possibility that people died from Covid-19 without having been identified as having it. It was always intended that this method would be reviewed as understanding increased.
In August 2020, a study recognised that 88% of deaths due to Covid-19 occurred within 28 days of a positive test and 96% within 60 days. It was therefore decided to adopt the 28 day limit as a headline indicator of the immediate impact of recent epidemic activity. This is the figure reported by the media. A second measure of deaths that occurred within 60 days of a positive test and where Covid-19 is identified as a cause on the death certificate was also adopted.
The key thing that must be realised is that neither these or any other method is 100% accurate in determining whether Covid-19 was the cause of a death. It does not have to be as that is not their primary purpose. The figures are intended to allow the analysis of recent and long term trends to monitor the effectiveness of the measures taken to manage the pandemic.
Putting it simply, allowing for inaccuracies, is the trend for deaths caused by Covid-19 increasing or decreasing so does it look like the methods of control are working?
In the early days of Covid-19 the government reported the number of deaths of those who had a positive Covid-19 test at any time. This was done to ensure that the number of deaths caused by Covid-19 were not under-reported. It provided an approximate figure but its accuracy was affected by the fact that obviously some people died of other causes but also that testing for Covid-19 was still being developed and there was not a good understand of the symptoms so there was a possibility that people died from Covid-19 without having been identified as having it. It was always intended that this method would be reviewed as understanding increased.
In August 2020, a study recognised that 88% of deaths due to Covid-19 occurred within 28 days of a positive test and 96% within 60 days. It was therefore decided to adopt the 28 day limit as a headline indicator of the immediate impact of recent epidemic activity. This is the figure reported by the media. A second measure of deaths that occurred within 60 days of a positive test and where Covid-19 is identified as a cause on the death certificate was also adopted.
The key thing that must be realised is that neither these or any other method is 100% accurate in determining whether Covid-19 was the cause of a death. It does not have to be as that is not their primary purpose. The figures are intended to allow the analysis of recent and long term trends to monitor the effectiveness of the measures taken to manage the pandemic.
Putting it simply, allowing for inaccuracies, is the trend for deaths caused by Covid-19 increasing or decreasing so does it look like the methods of control are working?
Also contained in the new guidance is an age risk v vaccine so people can decide if it's of benefit or not .You must do whatever you feel in your heart AND take into account all proven facts around the vaccine. Drs are fantastic but they don't always get everything correct. I'm assuming your Dr prescribes you a contraceptive that's last likely to cause you blood clots? I believe Drs do the best they can with information given but I wouldn't 100% believe they know what's best for everyone. All I'm saying is trust your own instincts as well as putting blind trust in another person.
Despite the government's insistence in its beneficial for everyone, actually it's not, they don't know the health history of 60 odd million people. Anyway, I hope you choose whatever benefits you most, whatever you choose
Our guidance in Scotland must be different to where you are then. History of blood clot or thrombocytopenia is not a contraindication to getting the AZ vaccine. The contra- indications to AZ vaccine include those who have a history of other extremely rare immune-mediated syndromes that are characterised by thrombosis in combination with thrombocytopaenia – this includes a previous episode of Heparin-Induced Thrombocytopaenia or the same specific clinical picture in association with anti-phospholipid syndrome. If this is the case then they will be offered an alternative vaccine.I think it’s the other way round I’ve already gave you my reasoning twice
They won’t give you the AZ vaccine if you have a history of blood clots or platelet issues.
It’s only if it applies to you I asked this question before I got mine.
Everyone accepts there is a suggestion that the AZ vaccine causes blood clots. That is being researched but has not been established as a fact. In the meantime it would be sensible for people who experience symptoms that may indicate a blood clot to seek medical advice. It has not been confirmed that the AZ vaccine causes blood clots. I don't know why this is so hard to understand.
It must be ! the nurse just said history of bloodclots or low platelet disorders if that's the case your specialist has to decide .
But that can be said for most medications but there's clearly some concern if they're classing it as a rare effect and making people aware of it .
This was a where you can find info, your nurse was wrong.
That is not true. Medical practitioners completing a death certificate are required to record the immediate cause of death and the underlying disease or injury that led up to the death. Contributory causes of death can also be recorded, where they may have affected the outcome, but illnesses should not be included on the death certificate if they were present but did not contribute to the death. In your scenario, Covid-19 would not be on the death certificate.
In think you are getting confused with the ONS statistic which records the number of deaths occurring within 28 days of a positive test. I explain the purpose of that metric upthread.
Idk but it states on the info it can only be given under specialist advice
This is the latest MHRA advice which suggests Monga is correct that a doctor or specialist has to make the decisions:
I think the advice is changing from one day to the next as they understand the vaccines ,when I had my first the bloodclots weren't even a thing so it's good they're keeping people updated and handing out advice so they can decide if the vaccines are of benefit over their particular health condition / age .My GP practice is very thorough ,that might not apply to all surgeries.
I don't think we can go any further on this. I would need to convince you of two things:
- That the note you attached to your earlier post does not say that blood clots are a rare side effect of the vaccine. It says serious side effects are rare but to consult a doctor if you have certain symptoms. I don't think you will accept there is a difference
- There can be concerns that the vaccine causes a specific side effect but it will not be a fact until research confirms it. You appear to believe concerns are enough evidence to conclude it is a fact, I don't.
The link I shared is the guidance vaccinators received a couple of weeks ago (although I shared the one with the Public Health England heading on). Monga said that she got told that if you have a history of blood clots or low platelets then you can’t get the AZ. I’ve shared evidence that this is not the case and shared when we can and cannot give the AZ vaccine in relation to blood clots.
As I’ve said, I am a vaccinator and we are continually updating ourselves on the often changing guidelines. We are chatting with hundreds of people a day and I’ve come across ‘I wasn’t going to come as I’ve had a blood clot in the past and thought I couldn’t get the vaccine’ numerous times. Ive seen false info on this thread many times and I would hate for someone to not get the vaccine that they may benefit from just because they believed some false info.
I didn't say it was confirmed I said there's obviously a concern as we see in the information the other person posted there’s an association
I have NOT put false information on this thread I was simply posting what I was told at my appointment backed up with the info sheet I was given .
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