TiffanyThinks #5

[Fraggle]

I am so glad this thread is here! I’ve been following Tiffany since her diagnosis and like a lot of you recently have felt things just don’t make sense. Plus, her persona has changed recently, but is that because of medication/stress etc? Who knows.

I stopped watching her videos a few months ago, mainly because I could not stand the click bait titles/thumbnails. Some of those vids were especially irritating when the subject of the title gets a brief mention in the whole video! Like a lot of you I only read the transcripts now.

A lot of what she’s been saying recently really doesn’t add up. I don’t know if that’s due to denial or misunderstanding on her part, but someone responsible for her care should sit her down and explain everything explicitly. Unless they have numerous times and she does not accept it.

I think she needs counselling. Not just for her but to take some weight off Amma and her boyfriend who are also suffering in all of this.

On a slightly lighter note, does she realise Domino’s have been using her motto long before her?

 

[ginnyw]

The thing that gives away her 'confusion' the most is a very simple one: it's The Royal Marsden. It's not Fred and Bill's Cowboy Hospital in Never-Never Land. It's the ROYAL MARSDEN.

 

[TheGlossy]

This obsession she has with this surgeon is getting out of hand. She has an unhealthy focus on him, it’s quite odd.

 

[Hellodear]

It's so strange, I'm looking at her past videos and she seems much more genuine and forthcoming then. I can see why I was so desperate for her to make the right decision so she could get well. Something just seems to have "snapped" after the "no surgery" video. She seems like a changed person even...

 

[PuzzlesAndWine]

There is clearly something about her channel that feels "off" and many people can't put their finger on it plus it's enmeshed with the guilt of not wanting to think badly about someone with a serious illness.

This is exactly what I struggle with. I've felt like a horrible person from the time I started to feel that something was off after the flogging people got for giving her opinions she asked for on surgery or no surgery.
The cringy-ness of the click baiting, the scenes that look staged (sleeping in hospital while mom filmed), the absolute lack of any real information that most cancer journey vlogs freely share, the confusion over what the diagnosis and staging even is, the YT tricks of getting audience to participate with answering senseless questions, claiming she's not sure of what results are, what doctors mean, doctors are sick and unavailable, or they just don't get back with her, the Merch and affiliate links, (isn't there one for that pan she used to overflow milk? is that why we got that video to try out the new pan and to insert affiliate link?) I could go on but those are just some of the things that feel off to me.
I don't give a crap if she makes money off shirts or selling blue pans, but the sneakiness of all of it made me unsubscribe. Her story haunts me and I was invested in it for about a year so now I just need to see how this plays out but from afar. Her situation truly sucks and I wish her the best but the girl...woman... does need to put the camera down and look around her, maybe see a therapist for guidance in dealing with this, see what it's doing to her mom and family (I just picture her mom filming that shot where she's "sleeping" in hospital...seriously? poor Omma

 

[ginnyw]

This is a good comment from YT. This lady is a nurse:

Tiffany, I like so many others on here have followed your trials over this past year. I have smiled with you when you were happy and cried with you when you were sad. I have been mentally and emotionally invested in your journey. These last two months however you have presented an extremely confusing picture of your life. I read the comments here and on other pages and it is clear that many people are casting doubt on your honesty and integrity. I know that you are a strong intelligent women. I know that you have access to family members with medical knowledge. That is why the naivety you are presenting in regard to your treatment/ results etc is so perplexing and is causing others to doubt your word. If your videos are truly a representation of your current state then (being an oncology nurse) I would strongly recommend putting your camera down for a while and truly focusing on saving your life. If however, things are not entirely true and you are playing to an audience then I believe you are getting into very muddy waters with your negative comments about your treatment and the Royal Marsden. Either way, you only get one life, cancer loves the weakness that stress brings. It is indiscriminate, it has its own timetable and doesn’t care if you live or die. I say this because I truly do care about you. Please take a step back and reevaluate what you are doing.
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[Blue skies]

Wow, totally doesn’t make sense. So she got to see her surgeon in the end and she said that 1)he hasn’t seen her scans yet. (Really?). 2)he will do the biopsy if he needs to. (He doesn’t know that by now?). 3)She gave him the biggest cuddle (for what???) 4) She and Amma looked soooooo happy after talking to the surgeon. Did he reassure her of things that she’s again refusing to share? Otherwise, why so happy? She’s truly the most confused and ignorant 30 year old that I’ve ever seen!

 

[Avasarala]

I've been in her comments getting restricted for weeks but now I've finally found my people here guys I can't even tell you how insane I've felt screaming alone in her comments amongst the Christian cult.
It's such a relief to here others saying what I've been screaming at a wall.
Thank you so much for making this thread, I was losing my mind.

 

[Elpis]

Also, opioids are famous for causing severe constipation. The actor Matthew Perry got addicted to them and his colon burst!

If she's got a partial obstruction, wouldn't "back up" and constipation eventually be a terrible, even life-threatening complication?

And if her obstruction is complete, why is she being sent home?

There's no way I believe that ANY doctor at Royal Marsden doesn't know these things - wouldn't even have to be an oncologist who was familiar with bowel cancer. Any doctor at all. Wouldn't even have to be at a top-tier hospital like the RM.

This just doesn't make ANY sense.

 

[ellyjelly2]

Now she says her appointment is at the end of the week so hopefully she can update us soon:
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Fuck me, it will be two weeks at least before she says anything….well, whatever bits she chooses to say. Personally I don’t believe she has not had any results back and also why didn’t she say why they didn’t biopsy her? she spoke to her surgeon yet didn’t then say what he said, just grinning and saying we are soo happy!! Pathetic. Either share your cancer story or don’t. I’m honestly expecting the same result to come back. Nothing new, we repeat in 3 months…back to the most mundane life, repeat repeat repeat!

 

[BettyCrockerr]

Are you a doctor ? Are you talking about this comment below ?

I agree she is not supposed to be terminal and her treatment plan is … different ? I don’t know if you’re in UK, I am French so I don’t know for sure, but according to people living in UK/ London, Marsden Hospital is a really good one. Don’t you think that maybe her doctors know what they do even if it seems unconventional ? At first I wondered if they were crazy but now I don’t know, we don’t know enough to be able to assess her exact situation whereas they do … Is it really possible they are so bad or is she lying pretending they are the ones pushing for the wait and watch whereas she is the one who refuses surgery ???

The Royal Marsden Hospital is one of the worlds leading specialist cancer centres. Her doctors/oncologists are NOT lying to her. Her medical team will be some of the worlds best - the only person who is lying in all this is Tiffany.

 

[H&N]

I also think her situation is better than what she’s letting on. She has said the chemo hasn’t worked but also said a few times she’s responding well to chemo, I get that could mean that it hasn’t grown but thought it was a bit odd. I feel like she’s almost nearly slipped up that her results will not be really bad news but that could also be her in cuckoo land

I'm from Belgium so sorry for my "strange" English sometimes With Tiffany I have had a strange feeling about her cancer a long time ago... and I always trust my gut feeling... she's not being honest. Multiple times I asked her on her vlog why she was so many times in hospital, years ago, what was the problem? Never got answers;

 

[LeonorG]

I miss DivineMystic and her summaries. And that's all I'm gonna say since we are not allowed to discuss other tattle commenters and why some of them are no longer here.
Back to Tiffany. I managed to watch a few seconds, then had to stop. The whole thing is getting more and more pathetic. She thinks she can delete and block everyone who gives her an honest opinion. She even deleted and blocked all her doctors beside her surgeon. It just shows how spoilt and coddled she has been her whole life.

 

[Karolina1985]

The denial is really strong in this family. This whole situation is such a huge mess.

 

[Hollie Day]

I feel very sorry for the Royal Marsden and their esteemed cancer team. They're getting absolutely slaughtered in her comments.

I feel she's treading in very thin ice by whipping up a storm around them. She's making it seem like their handling of her care and their desicion making is incompetent, negligent and unprofessional.

 

[ginnyw]

I found it very telling that in the most recent vlog she said something along the lines of 'as soon as my surgeon is better I'll be first on his list.' Er, right. Don't worry about all the other patients then. Also I felt slightly creeped by 'my surgeon is the only one who knows my body' and 'the bond' that they had because of thisl Even the constant use of 'my' is strange when it's said by her. 'My' surgeon. 'My' team. 'My' oncologist. I know it's also a figure of speech and we all say these things from time to time but in her case I truly think that she believes they are all just working for her and should always be at her beck and call.
I also found the filming of herself in pain on the stairs MOST peculiar. When I'm in any sort of pain I don't want anybody near me, let alone an audience of 80,000 nosey YouTubers watching in. Maybe this is what she means when she shares more than other vloggers. But it just doesn't come across as totally believable unfortunately.
Ugh - also - the paneer-roll-eating noises and sounds. Unbearable!

 

[Saydee]

and …
The specialist staff at the major referral centres do not withhold information for the mental / psychological state of the patient. They may take the softly softly approach but the pertinent and necessary facts as per the file are given.
Even special needs / geriatric/ dementia patients have their NOK told bare facts if the patient is unable to understand.
The RM is at the cutting edge of research and treatment… Tiffany would know everything in black and white. How she chooses to go forward, deal with or ignore the facts is of her choosing.

Thats correct. My husband was 28 when his disease was deemed palliative only. They didn't tell him bluntly and did take the softly softly approach which went something like "Unfortunately the latest scan shows disease is advancing. Not today, but at some point in the very near future, I will be sitting here and having to tell you that there is no treatment left to try slow disease down. Hopefully with treatment we may be able to slow growth and buy you and your family some time, but this is palliative treatment only"
When my husband signs consenst for treatment, it always says "Palliative treatment, reason - to treat cancer symptoms"

 

[virgocat]

I may be recalling the video incorrectly, but I thought her surgeon said he recommended waiting 6 weeks, but that having the surgery might be better for her mental health. I certainly agree on the drip feeding minimal information which, of course, is the biggest frustration in all of this.

I've just gone back to her video to check and I apologise, it was Matt who said that the surgeon said surgery might be better for her mental health. However watching the video again with fresh eyes and weeks down the line I'm genuinely shocked and I think Matt has quite a negative influence in her care.

Now when it comes to the video - She initially says that her options are - the surgery or 'deferral of surgery' (no mention of wait and watch) and I will loosely quote her here 'which entails waiting 6 weeks and having all the tests again, but this could mean the risk of it spreading to the liver or the lung or the cancer might have been there and it might become inoperable'.

Matt said that the surgeon recommended to wait but Tiffany corrected him and said that the surgeon told her that it is her decision. In this video Matt is pushing for her waiting, telling her the risk to reward of just waiting is brilliant. He said that it's better to take the risk and that 'we haven't really lost anything if you wait 6 weeks'. Tiffany then says it could become inoperable and Matt tells her the chances of that are slim (didn't know Matt was a qualified oncologist). Matt then says the surgeon want to and I quote, 'leave it and hope for the best'.

She then puts the question to her viewers, this is the video that I think started a lot of people's doubts in Tiffany, why on earth would you ask your viewers what they think she should do, like she's asking if she should have a curry or a chinese takeaway for tea.

I am very sceptical of using the term watch and wait now when it comes to Tiffany, this is NOT what her surgeon told her, she has picked up on this from comments and probably this thread and is now running with it. Her surgeon recommended deferral of surgery not a watch and wait approach.

 

[virgocat]

Wow, her latest video is a complete mess. I find it hard to believe doctors would come and tell her important updates while she's still clearly high as a kite, even so, wouldn't Amma be there to relay the information?? They both come across as so simple. Her fixation on that surgeon is concerning, she thinks that he is the magic bullet for her cancer, when that clearly isn't the case. The doctor who came in and she said she thought she had 'offended' them, I think she threw a tantrum and refused to speak to anyone other than her surgeon and that's why she ended up seeing him. I think the overly sickly sweet personality she puts on is the complete opposite of how she is in real life, the mask sometimes slips for a second in her videos. It was her decision to wait and now she is upset they couldn't do a biopsy, they would have been very clear exactly why they couldn't do it, no doctor would say 'oh sorry something was blocking it' and leave it at that, they would give her a detailed explanation. It's almost pointless to speculate now because all my personal speculations have dire outcomes.

I hope all the prayers from her deranged fans help her because medically I'm growing to believe she's now beyond anything but palliative care.

Also very odd that there was a phonecall from her aunt and uncle but no mention or call to Matt. You would think a partner would be facetiming you, calling and keeping updated. Matt has seemed very distant in the last few vlogs and I think he's checked out mentally. Maybe he was someone with sense at first but Amma and Tiffany's delusion caused him not to air his opinions.

 

[jackolantern]

I honestly don't think she's ever going to give us any information at this point. The absolute irony of her thinking she shares alot when she couldn't share less if she tried.