Sorry, I've got to speak up for him on the biscuits - Duchy Originals is a separate company from the Duchy of Cornwall and all the profits go to charity.
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I don’t get the problem with booing a politician or head of state in any case? People have a right to protest publicly. There was no violence or disruption to other people happening. HMTQ most definitely had worse encounters in the 70 years of her reign. I mean, I can totally see people that like her as Queen and have no objection around the UK HoS set up, protesting/booing to let her know not all of her actions are going down well with the public. I also think she isn’t phased one bit by it and can very well distinguish between her role as a symbol and herself as an individual.
I do wonder how Scotland would try to set up a second referendum (not that I think there will be one in the next 10-50 years). Who is allowed to vote next time? Living in Scotland? What about Scots that live somewhere else in the UK? Does a holiday home count? Being Scottish? How are you going to „prove“ this? How far do your Scottish routes have to go back? How far back is too far?
I said before it would be so interest how they would work it out. Just look how complicated Brexit still is. What about the border? Would a phone call be international (thinking of the Island of Saint-Martin/Sint Maarten). Would you have to go through border control when you commute to work? Will your legal working rights changed at one point when one country makes new laws? What about companies with several offices in the UK? If it happens it will be a tit ton of trouble and I doubt the adult generations will reap any benefits that might come from it in their lifetime. Just like it’s impossible to determine if Brexit will be a success or a massive failure at this point. I wonder if the fact about how the Head of State is set up should be the corner objective for someone to go into this question. That’s very short sighted, you might get a Scottish monarch (unlikely) or another form of un-elected by the people HoS. I mean, the Monarchy is basically the Scottish crown taking over from Elizabeth I. So it should really be England questioning who is sitting on that throne
Politics is fascinating! and frustrating, and complicated!
I love the discussion about polls and booing the Queen. Its not really about the right to protest,
the poster isnt discussing the merits of the monarchy, they are just saying, by booing the Queen, those doing so, presumably republicans, have scored an own goal, because it looks so rude. And its the kind of media clip that will be used in years to come, by the monarchists to discredit the republicans!
I think there will be a referendum in Scotland, sooner than the next 10-50 years. because public opinion is going to call for it. But I have no idea exactly how it is going to come about!
And you think Brexit is going to be anything else than a massive failure?
England is in a total mess at the moment. petrol shortages, Lorry drivers shortages, Stretched NHS, Social and elderly care in chaos, cos of lack of funding and lack of staff. Pigs being put down because we dont have enough slaughtermen. huge gaps on supermarket shelves..... let alone housing issues, the issues around Northern Ireland, the issues with fishing, issues with free movement, with people having to jump through all kinds of issue to visit Europe for holidays, and for work, let alone climate issues....... Oh and I forgot to mention Covid!!
OK I didnt want to leave the EU, but did think that somehow the politicians and people would make something positive out of it....but....I cant see a single positive on the horizon at the moment! And now with Brexit, I cant leave and go and live anywhere else!!!
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Oh it’s most definitely a massive failure at the moment. Quite shocking to be honest. You wouldn’t think such miss-management is even possible with so many advisers and experts. But that doesn’t necessarily mean that people looking back in 50 years will evaluate the situation the same way.
You never know what the future brings and there is always the chance for the situation to improve and even surpass the past. I certainly hope this will happen for the UK and it’s citizens even if it will be a blow to the EU.
Oh it’s most definitely a massive failure at the moment. Quite shocking to be honest. You wouldn’t think such miss-management is even possible with so many advisers and experts. But that doesn’t necessarily mean that people looking back in 50 years will evaluate the situation the same way.
You never know what the future brings and there is always the chance for the situation to improve and even surpass the past. I certainly hope this will happen for the UK and it’s citizens even if it will be a blow to the EU.
Yes. So do I. I voted remain but I still have to live here, as do my children for the foreseeable, so I'd rather it was a success. I dontvtbinknthe Monarchy will make a difference one way or another in relation to that in Scotland. I would think its way down the list when people are thinking about voting yes or no in a potential referendum.
Problem is, it doesn't matter how terrible a king he might make. It doesn't matter if Prince George grows up to be an axe murderer. They will still be King, whether we like it or not!
The HRHs were given to William‘s future children before the birth of Prince George, because at that point they didn’t know if the first born would be male or female and legislation had just been introduced removing the discrimination surrounding women succeeding to the throne. If that legislation came in without the amended Letters Patent and if W&Cs firstborn had been female, she would have been Heir to the Throne but styled and titled Lady, whereas her younger brother would be behind her in the LoS but styled and titled Prince. (Under the 1917 letters patent, only the eldest son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales would be a Prince. All others would be just Lord or Lady)
I think people would have been more upset/offended by that than by the fact that all W&Cs children are Prince/Princess, so I think the Queen was right to do it. She didn’t need to do it for Harry’s potential future children as there was no discrimination inherent in their styles and titles (They would ALL be Lord/Lady, as great grandchildren of the Monarch, and then they ALL would become Prince/Princess once Charles became King).
Well that's not quite true. Read a bit about Charles the First and James the Second.
I can't believe how archaic all the titles stuff is, especially the bowing and scraping it entails. It really needs to go, nobody should be curtseying and bowing in this day and age.
I am not so sure there are actual rules about bowing. More a guideline that if you choose to do so that’s the right way/order. No one has to bow to the Queen (or the others) and I think it’s 50/50 that people choose to or not to. The inside family dynamic is different. Everyone could just decide not to do it. It’s not as if they would be put into the tower. On the other hand, if you subscribe to the idea of being a royal family it’s pretty natural to also subscribe to the idea of a hierarchy and bowing. If you start cutting away all those outdated quirks you pretty quickly arrive at a massive question mark as to why you have them at all. That’s a problem if you try to justify it (not that that isn’t hard enough).
@Mairag thanks for explaining it so well. I think even without the underlying implications, H&M were way out of line to whine about that. The title doesn’t bring any of the benefits they wanted people to believe. Their children would always have been only in the shadow and pushed to find jobs and get their own homes. They are the Peter, Zara, Beatrice, Eugenie, James and Louise of the next generation. Non of them hold titles but the York’s (and James, but he is also no Prince) and the consensus is that it’s ridiculous they have it and that PA was a entitled, jealous prick to even ask. They will get a title when Charles becomes king (IF that happens). That’s surely soo Lyn enough for two children who will probably still be teenagers when they are not the grandchildren of a reigning monarch anymore but only niece and nephew.
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They were absolute monarchs though. There is mot the same thing at stake, and we also have a huge industry around the Royals, so all the sycophants in the press, the Royal Reporters the Royal biographers etc will do their best to minimise whatever they do. We've seen that with Andrew, where associating with paedophiles and other dodgy people is seen as the equivalent behaviour to Harry being a bit of a twit and moaning about his family.
I hope this isn't true, it feels like they are competing with the Sussexes.
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EDEN CONFIDENTIAL: Kate Middleton's hush-hush TV pow wow
EDEN CONFIDENTIAL: Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge has been holding talks with TV executive David Glover who commissioned the hit Channel 4 how Googlebox.
I can well believe it’s true.I hope this isn't true, it feels like they are competing with the Sussexes.
EDEN CONFIDENTIAL: Kate Middleton's hush-hush TV pow wow
EDEN CONFIDENTIAL: Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge has been holding talks with TV executive David Glover who commissioned the hit Channel 4 how Googlebox.
What qualifications does she have for a documentary like this? She has servants and nannies, the royal kids go to the best schools in the country and then walk in to the university of their choice irrespective of how thick they are. Absolute bollocks.
Sort of makes sense to me? Early Childhood is Kate’s big focus at the moment. Plus Charles has been involved in a few environmental documentaries, as well as stuff to do with the Princes Trust and Poundbury etc.I hope this isn't true, it feels like they are competing with the Sussexes.
EDEN CONFIDENTIAL: Kate Middleton's hush-hush TV pow wow
EDEN CONFIDENTIAL: Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge has been holding talks with TV executive David Glover who commissioned the hit Channel 4 how Googlebox.
Happy 86th birthday to HRH Prince Edward The Duke of Kent
Prince Andrew's been quizzed by Scotland Yard.
Prince William sees Andrew as a 'threat to the royal family, insiders claim | Daily Mail Online
Prince William sees Andrew as a 'threat to the royal family, insiders claim | Daily Mail Online
' I know everything about him' says Sarah Ferguson. I bet she does! Explains why she still lives like she is still married to him.
I don't think anything will come of this whole Prince Andrew thing. The rich and powerful rarely get their just desserts.
She more than knows about him, she’s up to her bloody neck in it.
Sarah Ferguson’s Own History With Jeffrey Epstein May Explain Why She’s So Quick to Defend Prince Andrew
Sarah Ferguson is busy making the rounds promoting her new book, Her Heart for a Compass, but it’s shining the spotlight back on an old topic that seems to keep circling the royal family: Jeffrey Epstein. While much of the talk surrounding the convicted pedophile is with Prince Andrew, Ferguson...
“The former royal has gone through some notoriously public issues with financial debt, including owing her former personal assistant, Johnny O’Sullivan over $100,000 in salary. With no way to pay off that enormous sum promptly, she turned to Epstein to help settle the issue. As a businessman, he restructured her debt, got O’Sullivan to agree to a $20,000 settlement and Epstein paid off her tab. To make matters even more sinister, this entire deal was arranged by Ferguson’s ex, Prince Andrew.”
Prince Charles also just signed an Amazon Prime video deal to make exclusive content for them. I don't know, I think they should avoid giving people the fodder to draw comparisons between themselves and the Sussexes because from the outside it's starting too look like they are in a petty rivalry.
I think they will re-marry at some point.
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Extended members of the royal family do not have automatic right to police security, it is a decision made with the family, Home Office and Metropolitan police. The would imagine if you have a title then you might have security when you younger which could be what they are hinting at but it’s never fully explained.
She could have just amended it that the first born, regardless of sex, was made HRH?
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