It’s not like they’re calibrated for each individual either, is it.I'd like to know which idiot was going to donate it to them... Then get home and realise they couldn't breathe!
The peripheral nerve test gave no response at all, so the brain stem test was abandoned as this can give a false negative result.Forgive me for being stupid, what was the situation with the brain stem testing (BST) that meant he couldn't be tested? I thought originally they didn't agree with it so the hospital had to gain permission to go ahead and do the testing, and then when they did the testing 'Archie failed on one area'. What did he fail and how? I'm not understanding that bit.
From my experience (sorry to keep referring to it, but it's so close which is why this case is interesting me) BST should take place >6 from the loss of the last brain stem reflex (so this could be a cough, triggering the ventilator, blinking, etc), electrolytes and vital signs must be within range (as much as able given the patients condition), and the patient should be clear of all sedative, muscle relaxing and opiate medications. BST is then undertaken by two senior clinicians and is done slowly, thoroughly and in numerous stages. And then repeated for clarity.
All of the cranial nerves are then tested. So light shone into pupils to test reactivity, ice water syringed into ears to test vestibulo-ocular reflex, gag and coughing tested, reaction to pain is tested with more pain then we would usually use in day to day/hourly assessments, doll's eyes response, and more. All sounds cruel but it is vital and necessary. And then the apnoea test is undertaken, which yes does mean coming off the ventilator for a short period of time, to see if they breath spontaneously, but is mostly about testing CO2. The patient is monitored throughout, pre-oxygenated beforehand and has a bagging circuit attached to their ETT/trachy so they can receive manual breaths if they become compromised.
Anyway, I've gone way off my question. Which bit is the poor boy said to have failed? I'm just curious, because if he 'failed' any of the BST then it may be his brain stem was marginally in tact at the time, but 'passing' 90% of the test is hardly a big win and paints a pretty grim picture - and by now, this many weeks on, I imagine what little he did have of his brain stem has been completely compressed and has gone?
There’s a case here of a boy whose brain completely died at age 4, he was kept on a ventilator for a further 20 years. After he kept getting pneumonia, his mother finally decided to pull the plug.How long can somebody survive if
their brainstem is gone? I know nothing about this type of nursing as I was only a care home nurse. What are the processes involved in keeping his heart beating?
I just saw a post about it on the Sky News FB page. I thought the comments there might be a little more balanced, but no. Rational people were overwhelmingly outnumbered. No common sense, no nuance, no critical thinking, no mental capacity for forming a coherent argument. People who do possess those attributes are seen as a threat to them, hence the distrust of the medical professionals.This is just disgusting now. People really are so delusional to think that Archie is just going to wake up and prove the doctors wrong.
I know people have said that his mum is only fighting for the right to let him ‘die’ the way she wants him to and that she understands it will happen either way but she wants it to be natural. So if that’s the case why is she allowing people on the Facebook group to talk about Archie waking up and getting better etc.
Surely in that position you would ask them to stop with all the false hope. Or does she really believe he’ll wake up as well?
But this is quite confusing. That’s a “pass” on BST. If there were a response then you’d question if his brain stem were intact and therefore “alive”, but no response signifies that it likely isn’t therefore that’s the go ahead to continue with the rest of the test.The peripheral nerve test gave no response at all, so the brain stem test was abandoned as this can give a false negative result.
see this is the bit I don’t understandBut this is quite confusing. That’s a “pass” on BST. If there were a response then you’d question if his brain stem were intact and therefore “alive”, but no response signifies that it likely isn’t therefore that’s the go ahead to continue with the rest of the test.
I’m sorry but natural would mean no machinesThis is just disgusting now. People really are so delusional to think that Archie is just going to wake up and prove the doctors wrong.
I know people have said that his mum is only fighting for the right to let him ‘die’ the way she wants him to and that she understands it will happen either way but she wants it to be natural. So if that’s the case why is she allowing people on the Facebook group to talk about Archie waking up and getting better etc.
Surely in that position you would ask them to stop with all the false hope. Or does she really believe he’ll wake up as well?
It's a sad indictment of society that so many people are like this. At least in my neck of the woods. I come from a very rough area of the UK and can well believe a large proportion of the population around here would be on the side of the Army. I know people have said it's not a class issue but it's definitely an intelligence issue, which ties in with poorer social standards and educational outcomes in working class areas. Imagine that lot doing jury service or similarHollie dance (the mother) is very dodgy apparently legally changed her name from Lisa Pittaway has convictions for assault and ABH. Has previous form for running to the papers when things don't go her way, there's a FB group talking about it all. There's definitely something weird going about the whole thing. I think the hospital should sue her for slander imagine being accused of murder when you are literally caring for a corpse.
The Archie's army and all the other Armies have an IQ of a goldfish.
Relatives and non medical people constantly misinterpret bodily signs and signals. Wishful thinking in most cases. I got a shock the first time I laid out a dead body as a young student. The thing let out a big sigh as I turned it over and nearly dropped it as a resultHas anybody seen the clip where archie supposedly squeezed him mums hand? I haven't seen it but I was talking to someone yesterday who said you you can clearly see him moving his hand. We debated for a while the person I was talking to seeing it from a mothers veiw and me seeing it from a medical point of veiw. Was interesting to see it from another veiw point as I'm not a mother.
I genuinely think that a high percentage of them believe at some point he’ll slowly open his eyes, gasp a little, they’ll take all the tubes and bits out and within ten minutes he’ll be sat upright chatting away like nothings happened. Medical dramas on tv have a lot to answer for in this context.A distant in law shared the article regarding the case yesterday and said something along the lines of "yes Archie, keep fighting, more time to wake up" and I thought it absolutely alarming that there are so many people out there who literally do not understand that this poor boy is dead. Too many people like this giving the family the ammunition they need to carry on, all whilst the poor boy lie there decaying, and the poor staff being slandered try their best to carry on.
What do the family see as the end result?
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