The Archie Battersbee case #3

[bubbadabut]

This sums up exactly what I wanted to say.

I can't begin to imagine how stressful it is for people to be essentially nursing and caring for a dead body.
I also agree that issues need to be examined that have arisen, both from this case and previous high profile cases.

The media need to look at their standards too. It's not right to 'interview' someone and basically allow them free rein to spout stuff without even attempting to balance it. They play a big part in encouraging these stupid people who form these 'armies' by allowing this to happen, imo.

As I said upthread who knows what damage is being done by allowing statements along the lines of 'the hospital/ judges want to kill him.'

Imagine that sort of statement being left unchecked.
Imagine a young or otherwise impressionable person listening to or reading that.

I think it's quite telling that the only media who are entertaining her are the lowest common denominator kind of stuff: GB News, This Morning, GMB, Daily Mail. The kind of media who focus on emotions and scandal rather than fact.

Apart from brief updates on the court judgements, the case is getting very little airtime from the likes of the BBC, Channel 4 News, etc.

 

[KittyGhosts]

Another thing to note is the quality of reporting and media on the case.

Over the past ten years or so newspapers have shed editorial staff like a sinking boat offloading life jackets. Reporters have either jumped ship or trimmed and replaced with new graduates on lower salaries. Local newspapers have culled their photography department and picture desks (now non existent or replaced by a few, occasional freelancers) and reporters are having to take their own pics and videos (cos everyone’s a photographer with a phone don’tcha know).

The due diligence and research doesn’t seem to be happening as these kids are normally stretched and there’s a lot of c&p jobs as they don’t have the time.
Hardly any sub editors so quality is rit and a focus on online presence can mean stories can be edited to add info/clean up spag in a way that isn’t possible in print (once the paper’s out it’s out!).

 

[FogOfWar]

My dream is to get a horse in the hospital somehow. Just need the right patient!

Are you John Mulaney ?

A Horse in A Hospital

 

[GalaxyGirl70]

They were given 4 days notice of withdrawal before, Hollie mentioned in interview that they'd gone to the court of appeal on the day that treatment was due to be withdrawn. So I'm assuming that they've been given the weekend to say their goodbyes and it will be Monday/Tuesday. I don't think the UN thing will have any impact - it was a request and British Doctors are accountable to the GMC, not the UN.

It's pretty crappy of someone to have shared that at all, to be honest. Only the family need to know this info and it notably wasn't recorded in the Judgment.

 

[Rekyavikgirl]

Yeah I know how hospital trust charities work, and I know they’re very good at channeling donations to exactly where they want them to go which is why I plan to donate directly to the ward.
Speaking as someone in that line of work, I bet the last thing staff want right now is education and training - more like a large bloody gin, or ten, and some bloody good counselling/debrief sessions.

To be fair, financial support whilst doing post reg education via staff education fund is very welcome.

 

[spilleroftea]

They were given 4 days notice of withdrawal before, Hollie mentioned in interview that they'd gone to the court of appeal on the day that treatment was due to be withdrawn. So I'm assuming that they've been given the weekend to say their goodbyes and it will be Monday/Tuesday. I don't think the UN thing will have any impact - it was a request and British Doctors are accountable to the GMC, not the UN.

It's pretty crappy of someone to have shared that at all, to be honest. Only the family need to know this info and it notably wasn't recorded in the Judgment.

They may have set the date and if the UN rule on her favour it will stop. But the date is set because it’s just going on and on.

 

[Serene Serena]

While I applaud the nursing staff for working under incredibly stress whilst Archie has been their patient, I don’t think a GFM is appropriate. There are very strict regulations about accepting cash donations and even gifts have to be under a certain amount. I’m sure there’s another way of showing support and solidarity without involving money.

 

[Blondetech]

Do you know what ?
They should ‘ form a barricade ‘ around him and not let anyone touch him.
Let’s see how long this tragic boy would last without the constant intervention of the poor NHS staff who are having to look after what is , essentially , a rotting body.
Beyond a farce now.

Can you imagine if we kept everyone alive 'just in case'? We'd have hospitals full of dead bodies and nowhere to put patients who can be saved!

I sat outside an A&E yesterday in my ambulance for 9 hours yesterday cause there was no where for my patient to go.
IMAGINE what would happen if we did what they wanted and kept people alive ‘just in case’
They are so removed from reality it’s unreal.

 

[ChastityDingle]

Do you know what ?
They should ‘ form a barricade ‘ around him and not let anyone touch him.
Let’s see how long this tragic boy would last without the constant intervention of the poor NHS staff who are having to look after what is , essentially , a rotting body.
Beyond a farce now.

That doesn't seem to have occurred to them with their talk of barricades.

 

[Lalalemon]

Do you know what ?
They should ‘ form a barricade ‘ around him and not let anyone touch him.
Let’s see how long this tragic boy would last without the constant intervention of the poor NHS staff who are having to look after what is , essentially , a rotting body.
Beyond a farce now.


I sat outside an A&E yesterday in my ambulance for 9 hours yesterday cause there was no where for my patient to go.
IMAGINE what would happen if we did what they wanted and kept people alive ‘just in case’
They are so removed from reality it’s unreal.

Thank you for all you do!
Exactly, the NHS is on it's knees as it is, without keeping people alive 'just in case'!

 

[BirkenheadTranny]

Somebody on my Facebook just shared the article about the "injunction" and wrote a post about how Hollie is such an inspirational mother... I sicked a bit in my mouth

 

[gigi_93]

She’s made every aspect of that poor kid’s death for public consumption right down to showing his skeletal body in a nappy and describing his bowel function. So I’m neither surprised nor do I care that someone shared those details. It was always going to happen

 

[ChastityDingle]

Somebody on my Facebook just shared the article about the "injunction" and wrote a post about how Hollie is such an inspirational mother... I sicked a bit in my mouth

I would have to block them, I really would.

 

[OoErrMissus]

Somebody on my Facebook just shared the article about the "injunction" and wrote a post about how Hollie is such an inspirational mother... I sicked a bit in my mouth

There are various words beginning with I that I could use, inspirational not being one of them.

 

[blueblueindigo]

I really believe that critical thinking skills should be pushed more from an earlier age. Curiosity should be welcomed and changing your viewpoint (when presented with more facts) should be the norm.

I couldn’t agree more with this. We need to be teaching kids/teens not to believe everything at face value, to use reliable sources and understand that sometimes you might be wrong and that it’s ok to change your mind. This kind of stuff only really comes up post GCSE level of education(well it did for me anyway) which is why most people in these armies will be people who left school at 16 or didn’t do college courses where you learn about critical thinking and haven’t lived a life where they have had to learn it.

I think a lot of it also has to do with being able to get out of our own environment (social circle, area etc or similarly, an internet forum like an army page) and start being exposed to differing views and experiences, by reading about lived experiences, reports, meeting people, being open to listening. But then again, for people that do manage to grow, they often face backlash, reminded of what they used to believe or support as if it has any relevance to the person they are today, with greater knowledge and critical thinking skills. I also think social media encourages a lack of being allowed to grow, through 'cancelling' people for every past error in their life, as if everyone is born perfect, and to wonderfully educated and progressive environments.

It's tricky, you would think an experience like this would encourage a lot of self reflection, growth and focusing on something positive like campaigning for children's emotional wellbeing, or limited access for children on these social media platforms, but if you are only getting support from religious groups and armies that are very combative and not as reflection or growth orientated, with media wanting the latest bombastic scoop, then it all seems very sad.

It's not just this case, you see it everywhere online, this 'us and them' attitude with no inbetween or allowance to change your mind. Binary politics, , binary vaccine choices during the past few years and so on. It creates these insular bubbles. Even on here there are certain threads that are very stuck on a certain viewpoint, but I don't know, it is just sad, especially when people are so emboldened to start smear campaigns against 'the other' without taking a step backwards and reflecting on the full picture. I think it's important to keep learning, keep moving forward, tackling some of those views and seeing what has guided them and whether it is still a right position to have, with your current knowledge. Whereas in this case, it seems like the army and media is kind of backing this woman into a corner, that she can't change her view, all the money donated too, is likely to cause a lot of conflict too there.

 

[MidnightAura]

The one thing I will say is, if indeed the hospital are pushing ahead and removing support whilst I can understand to a degree Hollie keeping it private and telling her friends, it’s bizarre to me that she posts how well he‘s doing and giving the impression to the barmy army that everything is okay. They are allowing posts to go through saying x amount of patients have been misdiagnosed as brain stem dead. Surely telling her RL friends and family the truth whilst not being totally honest with the “army” is just messing with her head more? She can’t keep riding two horses. I totally get she wants to cling on to any bit of hope no matter how tiny but she’s giving the impression as per usual on the page that everything is fine and dandy and it’s not.

 

[grampositive]

The one thing I will say is, if indeed the hospital are pushing ahead and removing support whilst I can understand to a degree Hollie keeping it private and telling her friends, it’s bizarre to me that she posts how well he‘s doing and giving the impression to the barmy army that everything is okay. They are allowing posts to go through saying x amount of patients have been misdiagnosed as brain stem dead. Surely telling her RL friends and family the truth whilst not being totally honest with the “army” is just messing with her head more? She can’t keep riding two horses. I totally get she wants to cling on to any bit of hope no matter how tiny but she’s giving the impression as per usual on the page that everything is fine and dandy and it’s not.

Yup along with the posts where she described how he's had a great night and listing his drugs that are "normal for any hospital bedridden patient".

I can sort of understand how the fantasy must be really comforting at the worst time in your life, but it's crossing the line when the admins keep posting/pinning the gofundme and are asking for donations for Archie's continued care.

 

[bubbadabut]

She has to keep up the pretence that he is still just a "normal" boy who simply needs time to wake up. This is the story she has spun from the start. The constant screenshots of the monitor figures, to show they are all within "normal" range, explaining how the drugs he is on are "normal" for all hospital patients. She's not wrong. But what she fails to mention is the painstaking work that goes into maintaining his body at those levels. A"normal" hospital patient does not need 2:1 care, or medical interventions on an almost half hourly basis.

Archie is about as far from a normal patient as you can get. There's a reason it's called "intensive care", but Hollie makes out he's just having a bit of a sleep and there's no reason why he shouldn't wake up at some point. I think she knows the truth, but if she admitted it she would lose the support of the army. It's all about the fight and sticking it to the man with these people. Backing down is never an option because it makes them look weak in front of their peers.

 

[kittenattack]

The money will cease if it's revealed to be a hopeless case though. People must know that the NHS is free. The family need to sell the vision of care needs beyond the NHS. I'm convinced that it's all about the money.

 

[MidnightAura]

The money will cease if it's revealed to be a hopeless case though. People must know that the NHS is free. The family need to sell the vision of care needs beyond the NHS. I'm convinced that it's all about the money.

Having saw the Go Fund me I’m starting to agree. And the cynic in me thinks that she’s purposely keeping the reality quiet so the money doesn’t dry up.

I can’t believe even now she’s still accusing the staff of lying!