The Archie Battersbee Case #14

[littlepup]

No one need to ag Archie off of course, he was a 12 year old being a 12 year old in the environment in which he was raised.
But he also wasn’t a completely neglected and lost little lamb. His Dad was very present for a lot of the time according to the court reports. Yes Hollie slagged him off on her FB at one stage but generally from the overall picture it seems like his Dad was more present than a lot of single parent/co parent families.
Hollie also put time and energy into him. Maybe for her own interests, but he wasn’t left. A bit of pushy mum stuff if you look at her social media over the years. He also had older siblings who seemed to care to an extent an older sibling does.
Finally, people saying he probably didn’t have friends round, people would t want their kids mixing. These people are all from the same backgrounds and social circles. There’s were plenty of people in the same boat to mix with.

Just my thoughts

 

[Djs]

This. Too many adult situations for a neurotypical child, and FAR too many for a little boy with ADHD.

I really wish people would stop inferring that HD was directly involved in his death. One of the biggest issues I have with her is her anti-science, anti-doctor nonsense...this case has been scrutinised in the highest courts in the land, it beggars belief that people genuinely seem to believe that a TBI might have been missed. It's basically perpetuating the idea that the doctors involved in his care are guilty of almost breathtaking incompetence.

It just didn't happen. What DID happen was bad enough, why do people want to make it worse?

I think all her inconsistencies of what actually happened causes concern..liars are known to be hiding something

LONG POST..
Following on about him being exposed to sex work, I grew up in an area where as industry shut down, marriages crumbled and poverty quickly crept in. I went to school with a girl and a lad who's mother's both 'worked'. And as a side note, I have no issue with a woman who does what she needs to for the benefit of her family.
Anyway. My point being, the girl coped way better than the lad did. It was difficult for him. He was jealous of the attention his mother courted. Obviously the thought of men with his mother for money bothered him as he felt he should be taking care of her. Embarrassed when other kids teased him about it ( before SM)and to say it had a detrimental effect on his own relationships with women would be an understatement.
Plus Archie was at such a delicate age and his mother's clinginess with him, it was just a shitshow waiting to happen.

Sadly, he was a product of his parent(s) ...who knows? some fair well but most don't and those that don't end up with issues. I speak from experience.

 

[hayleybaby]

I know they are posting invoices but have they actually shown receipts of payment as It’s been documented the solicitors worked pro bono. I’m pretty certain the invoices still get produced as ‘housekeeping’ even if the payments are wavered under pro bono.

 

[MacDougall]

I wonder why the funeral is taking so long?

HD was wanting a Gospel choir - so that needs practice and organising programme / choir will probably need good quality musicians - they will need to get together for rehearsal. Then there is the making of all those purple products (for sale on day someone suggested like they did at Priory Park). Road closures might need to be put in place for the expected thousands. Organise Police for crowd control (and maybe painting their helmets purple ). Vget council to put up loads of safety barriers, and maybe viewing platform. Then there will be organising TV and media. Make sure permissions for drone coverage of route. Was it the Dagenham Majorettes - are they still on the go??? Balloons. Bubbles. And the catering vans. And then their is the Pasta - presume it is at his church in Coleman Street as he did the Priory Park vigil/party? And then there is the horses. Have I missed anything??

 

[CELESTE CROCKETT]

HD was wanting a Gospel choir - so that needs practice and organising programme / choir will probably need good quality musicians - they will need to get together for rehearsal. Then there is the making of all those purple products (for sale on day someone suggested like they did at Priory Park). Road closures might need to be put in place for the expected thousands. Organise Police for crowd control (and maybe painting their helmets purple ). Vget council to put up loads of safety barriers, and maybe viewing platform. Then there will be organising TV and media. Make sure permissions for drone coverage of route. Was it the Dagenham Majorettes - are they still on the go??? Balloons. Bubbles. And the catering vans. And then their is the Pasta - presume it is at his church in Coleman Street as he did the Priory Park vigil/party? And then there is the horses. Have I missed anything??

You forgot security
She asked on FB for security because of "trolls and bullying"

 

[hayleybaby]

You forgot security
She asked on FB for security because of "trolls and bullying"

And the after party …. I mean wake.

 

[Haveyouanywool]

No one need to ag Archie off of course, he was a 12 year old being a 12 year old in the environment in which he was raised.
But he also wasn’t a completely neglected and lost little lamb. His Dad was very present for a lot of the time according to the court reports. Yes Hollie slagged him off on her FB at one stage but generally from the overall picture it seems like his Dad was more present than a lot of single parent/co parent families.
Hollie also put time and energy into him. Maybe for her own interests, but he wasn’t left. A bit of pushy mum stuff if you look at her social media over the years. He also had older siblings who seemed to care to an extent an older sibling does.
Finally, people saying he probably didn’t have friends round, people would t want their kids mixing. These people are all from the same backgrounds and social circles. There’s were plenty of people in the same boat to mix with.

Just my thoughts

He was excluded from school for a good while which means he didn’t get the balance, boundaries and social interaction with his peers that is the norm. Even at secondary school he had 1 to 1 support which would have singled him out.
His parents public, fb, bickering, which he was dragged into wouldn’t have helped. One parent slagging off another in front of the kids is never good.
His siblings and their mates probably weren’t a great influence judging by their sm.
I’m not saying he wasn’t loved and provided for. The evidence shows he was. Just maybe not always in the right way.
He seemed vulnerable and unable to cope more than anything. Certainly not like the hard man she seemed to want him to be.
And, yes, I do agree that none of us are perfect parents, or people.

I know they are posting invoices but have they actually shown receipts of payment as It’s been documented the solicitors worked pro bono. I’m pretty certain the invoices still get produced as ‘housekeeping’ even if the payments are wavered under pro bono.

Exactly this!
The Court documents record ALL their legal work was pro-bono.
Ella closed a GFM, in July I think, saying it was used to pay legal fees then started waving around invoices.
Come on AA, wake up!

 

[MidnightAura]

HD was wanting a Gospel choir - so that needs practice and organising programme / choir will probably need good quality musicians - they will need to get together for rehearsal. Then there is the making of all those purple products (for sale on day someone suggested like they did at Priory Park). Road closures might need to be put in place for the expected thousands. Organise Police for crowd control (and maybe painting their helmets purple ). Vget council to put up loads of safety barriers, and maybe viewing platform. Then there will be organising TV and media. Make sure permissions for drone coverage of route. Was it the Dagenham Majorettes - are they still on the go??? Balloons. Bubbles. And the catering vans. And then their is the Pasta - presume it is at his church in Coleman Street as he did the Priory Park vigil/party? And then there is the horses. Have I missed anything??

Celebrity appearence? I hear Rylan clark is free!

 

[neroli]

There will be "competition" now in HD's eyes with the tragic killing of the little girl in Liverpool who will be more "current" in the media's eyes and certainly more "appealing", awful though that sounds to the public.

 

[SniffyCount]

HD was wanting a Gospel choir - so that needs practice and organising programme / choir will probably need good quality musicians - they will need to get together for rehearsal. Then there is the making of all those purple products (for sale on day someone suggested like they did at Priory Park). Road closures might need to be put in place for the expected thousands. Organise Police for crowd control (and maybe painting their helmets purple ). Vget council to put up loads of safety barriers, and maybe viewing platform. Then there will be organising TV and media. Make sure permissions for drone coverage of route. Was it the Dagenham Majorettes - are they still on the go??? Balloons. Bubbles. And the catering vans. And then their is the Pasta - presume it is at his church in Coleman Street as he did the Priory Park vigil/party? And then there is the horses. Have I missed anything??

Sorry, not sorry!

 

[hayleybaby]

He was excluded from school for a good while which means he didn’t get the balance, boundaries and social interaction with his peers that is the norm. Even at secondary school he had 1 to 1 support which would have singled him out.
His parents public, fb, bickering, which he was dragged into wouldn’t have helped. One parent slagging off another in front of the kids is never good.
His siblings and their mates probably weren’t a great influence judging by their sm.
I’m not saying he wasn’t loved and provided for. The evidence shows he was. Just maybe not always in the right way.
He seemed vulnerable and unable to cope more than anything. Certainly not like the hard man she seemed to want him to be.
And, yes, I do agree that none of us are perfect parents, or people.



Exactly this!
The Court documents record ALL their legal work was pro-bono.
Ella closed a GFM, in July I think, saying it was used to pay legal fees then started waving around invoices.
Come on AA, wake up!

That’s what I thought, that Kelly Marie posted yesterday about fees going to solicitors didn’t she but there so I no actual evidence of this at all.

 

[MacDougall]

Whilst reading these comments TV has changed to Eastenders. Not seen it in years - many years - and makes me wonder if Archie and his mum could have easily slipped into there playing themselves and it would have been considered "normal" by those watching (saying this as an "Essex girl"!!)

 

[Perfumeflower]

HD was wanting a Gospel choir - so that needs practice and organising programme / choir will probably need good quality musicians - they will need to get together for rehearsal. Then there is the making of all those purple products (for sale on day someone suggested like they did at Priory Park). Road closures might need to be put in place for the expected thousands. Organise Police for crowd control (and maybe painting their helmets purple ). Vget council to put up loads of safety barriers, and maybe viewing platform. Then there will be organising TV and media. Make sure permissions for drone coverage of route. Was it the Dagenham Majorettes - are they still on the go??? Balloons. Bubbles. And the catering vans. And then their is the Pasta - presume it is at his church in Coleman Street as he did the Priory Park vigil/party? And then there is the horses. Have I missed anything??

Yep, don’t forget two of those Wembley Stadium style extra large tv screens for those expected thousands to watch on

Oh, and might be a good idea to hire Bob Geldof, as the last time he organised a major event was back in the 80s..

Seriously though, I really do think poor Archie would be more than happy to only have his family and friends around him under a private setting, as oppose to a public one with all the bells and whistles..

 

[MacDougall]

Yep, don’t forget two of those Wembley Stadium style extra large tv screens for those expected thousands to watch on

Oh, and might be a good idea to hire Bob Geldof, as the last time he organised a major event was back in the 80s..

Seriously though, I really do think poor Archie would be more than happy to only have his family and friends around him under a private setting, as oppose to a public one with all the bells and whistles..

So with all these add ons going to need some more funds (wonder if Sky has come up with a good price?)

 

[Haveyouanywool]

That’s what I thought, that Kelly Marie posted yesterday about fees going to solicitors didn’t she but there so I no actual evidence of this at all.

Exactly! While there is evidence to the contrary.
In the official court documents it said all legal work was pro-bono AND the judge would not allow legal work to be paid by GFM or GG.
And they’re waving invoices NOT receipts about.
Who believes their ?

 

[Not Morning Dog]

Sorry if I'm being a bit dim and not the getting sarcasm... But is she actually going to have his funeral on TV and or streamed? I mean surly not on Sky, but given who HD is and what GBnews are like, I guess it's possible... And I'd actually be surprised if she didn't stream it on TikTok.
Like I really wouldn't put anything past HD to be honest.

Edited to make it make sense

 

[Perfumeflower]

So with all these add ons going to need some more funds (wonder if Sky has come up with a good price?)

I mean no disrespect to Archie but I watch Sky news quite a bit, and I just cannot fathom why on earth they would broadcast Archie’s funeral as a live event and paying HD for it. It should be kept private.

I honestly think that’s inappropriate and in bad taste too if they do.

It seems HD is probably motivated by ££££ signs…and Sky wanting to compete for the next big scoop.

 

[Haveyouanywool]

Sorry if I'm being a bit dim and not the getting sarcasm... But is she actually going to have his funeral on TV and or streamed? I mean surly not on Sky, but given who HD is and what GBnews guess it's possible... And I'd actually be surprised if she didn't stream it on TikTok.
Like I really wouldn't put anything past HD to be honest.

Do the news networks have to pay her anything for the public street part?
Perhaps for inside the church and the burial but would they want to do that? I mean he’s not Lady Di, no offence.
Would even the media find it a bit unseemly and inappropriate?
I’m pretty sure there will be some coverage, especially of the ‘public’ parts.
I think there will most definitely be some sort of sm live stream or recording.

 

[Cucumber and eggs]

I cared for a bloke, he had dementia and he'd been abusive to his wife. Unfortunately a small town so all the carers judged him. I couldn't, dementia bloke was not the same bloke as violent bloke and my job was not to judge him.

Anyway, dementia brought back his love for her, unfortunately, she died before she got to see it. He was a pain in the a at times, granted, but there was love there. I'm glad that he died with love on his heart rather than than the bad stuff.

My nan and grandad love each other very much and have been married for over 60 years
But since her dementia diagnosis she has punched him, runaway from home saying she doesn't want to live with him, accuses him of all sorts. Its so sad as they literally were 'couple goals'

 

[Portly Porkinson]

Agree. All this deliberate provoking of the public. There was no need to insta their night away. Plus her horrible language and threats.
She seems like the shallow type where any attention is good attention.
Still, like attracts like.

That sort of language is bad enough when it comes from a man but when it`s a woman-ughh,horrible and spoken with such vitriol! (and i swear like a trooper in private).