The Archie Battersbee Case #14

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Sorry I’ve only just come back to this thread after finally having the guts to be active on others I feel strongly about! (I’ve commenced my slippery slope 🤣🤦🏼‍♀️) This is the first I followed avidly from #1 and can’t believe I’ve got so much to catch up on!

Could it be (and sorry if this is mentioned later on…) that HD and cronies have caught on that their time would be better spent raising awareness of the dangers of online challenges (child mental health would be a stretch, as it could raise questions over the clearly evidenced substandard parenting) and have realised this angle may garner more favour in the court of public opinion, and keep them in the public eye? As it’s finally become clear that the “Archie’s law” or “Archie’s Armee Law” or “Kidz dey lick” law was complete BS and would likely give parents even less “rights” (that never existed anyway). So someone mildly more educated than them pointed this out and they’ve finally taken note?
The irony is that the way she is pushing she is going to end up with even less rights if her balls does get taken on board by any politician and wrapped up in the online safety bill. We will end up with a dystopian world with more internet restrictions than North Korea at this rate. We have already seen massive restrictions in what can be shown in the U.K. porn industry because of people getting “unrealistic” ideas of what a loving consensual relationship is all about. So good old fisting got banned along with a load of other stuff.
I’m sure Hollie will be really popular when people realise she has screwed everybody out of their free speech and freedom of expression over a fabrication made to make her feel less guilty.
 
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In recent years the media has a sort of code of conduct for reporting suicide, agreed with The Samaritans because it was shown that when the press reports it in a particular way and added detail, it sadly led to others following the same route.
So ‘no suspicious circumstances’ is meant to indicate suicide without actually saying the word.

The media guidance can be found here:
Thank you for this link. "Suicide Contagion" in susceptible young people mentioned in point 10 is very significant here, I think. Highlights the dangers of unsupervised access to inappropriate and suggestible material online and the failings of the absent parent(s) who turn a blind eye to their child's emotional dysregulation.
 
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Great, thanks for that..

Does anyone else want to tell me how their parents got it right just after I've divulged or are we done??

Honestly, is it any wonder kids self harm and kill themselves when adults respond like this.
Sorry, but this thread isn’t about you. It’s not your personal blog.
If someone wants to mention their childhood, as relevant context, that’s up to them.
Accusing someone of driving kids to self harm and killing themselves when this is an adult thread…way too far.
 
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My parents didn't. They were classed as good parents but behind closed doors.... my first OD was at 13, their response was to ban me from the house after breakfast till teatime then I was sent to my bedroom. The response to self harm was zilch even when it got infected, turns out I was diagnosed with autism privately but they told nobody, public humiliation, they killed my pet pigeons, all sorts of tit, brother had a ton of tit as well, they'd burn his stuff, he got beaten with the vacuum tube, he died at 19. I ended up being sectioned at 17 after a serious OD. Life's never been right and only just found out about the autism thing at 41.

Not as bad as others but, I'm a bit ducked up. Is what it is.
I'm so so sorry they did that to you.
 
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I'm so so sorry they did that to you.
Long time ago now, I don't have contact now.

But Hollie reminds me, every damn thing she does raises red flags. She could be rich as hell, upper class and I'd still be sat here saying she's a total wrong'n.
 
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Long time ago now, I don't have contact now.

But Hollie reminds me, every damn thing she does raises red flags. She could be rich as hell, upper class and I'd still be sat here saying she's a total wrong'n.
No contact is definitely the best way, when you've been through stuff like that I think it makes it easier to spot people like Hollie. Poor Archie, it's a shame we can't choose our parents.
 
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Is this really the work of an 8 year old? How many 8 year olds can spell "numb" correctly let alone equate it with depression?
Wait, what?

How many 8 year olds can't spell "numb" correctly?

I get I'm older than dirt (and likely older than maaaaaaaaaaaany of you good folk here), and maybe have lost the odd marble or three on that journey but ... but are y'all really telling me that most 8 year olds can't spell "numb" or understand context?!

I don’t think, adult or children, they can ever call if suicide unless they know 100% eg note or witness
I think you're right, steven-with-a-v.

We tend to err on the side of "misadventure" or (more commonly in the US, where all my work experience is from) "accidental" more often than not if there's enough ambiguity. It's typically considered to be "easier" on the families, and because it's* very difficult to prove a dead person's actual state of mind at the second he committed the action, it will typically make sure any life insurance policy is paid out properly (which often doesn't happen at all if a death is ruled a suicide).

*at least it used to be difficult to do ... with the age of internet suicide tourism, I suppose "Well, this is what I want to do, and I'm going to do it, and you're all going to watch me, so bye" is a pretty decent statement of intent.

God that's depressing.
 
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Oh dear. She is not reading the room is she? Is she able to do this as she is not the MP for that constituent. I thought they weren’t allowed to represent people not in their area?
 
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So this is where other peoples money is going that they donated to these scammers for ARCHIE, luxury trips! They have no shame at all, they dont even look sad whatsoever, that poor kid is way better where he is now and that's really sad to say!! Selfish pieces of tit.
 

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Oh dear. She is not reading the room is she? Is she able to do this as she is not the MP for that constituent. I thought they weren’t allowed to represent people not in their area?

Reading this it appears she should not be representing anyone who is not her constituent.
What the hell is she doing even considering touching this with a ten foot pole?
 
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I presume she is the one who was in the hospital ward for a photo opportunity with a dead child. 🙄
 
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Sorry. I got that wrong.
HoLi has moved to Alton Gardens which is in Mrs Frith’s Southend West constituency.
 
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So this is where other peoples money is going that they donated to these scammers for ARCHIE, luxury trips! They have no shame at all, they dont even look sad whatsoever, that poor kid is way better where he is now and that's really sad to say!! Selfish pieces of tit.
Selfish pieces of 💩is an understatement.

Am I missing something or am I just being naïve? Or possibly both!

I didn’t think they could use money raised through a GFM for personal shopping spree’s, luxury holidays and ‘getaway’s?? Certainly not by the family themselves anyway.

That money was specifically supposed to be earmarked for Archie’s needs.

Bloody L, I really want to go on a spendy spendy trip round the States, maybe I should open a GFM😝🙄
 
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Selfish pieces of 💩is an understatement.

Am I missing something or am I just being naïve? Or possibly both!

I didn’t think they could use money raised through a GFM for personal shopping spree’s, luxury holidays and ‘getaway’s?? Certainly not by the family themselves anyway.

That money was specifically supposed to be earmarked for Archie’s needs.

Bloody L, I really want to go on a spendy spendy trip round the States, maybe I should open a GFM😝🙄
Unfortunately with GFM, there is no policing where the money actually goes. They can legally spend it on Whatever they like, as it was all donated to them. Morally of course, it’s very wrong. But law ≠ morals.
I did a GFM a number of years ago for a charity abroad - all the donated money just went straight into my bank account and I didn’t need to prove to anyone that I’d donated it to the charity. Would have been very easy to pocket for myself. (Obviously I didn’t!)
I believe you can request a refund for money you have donated though if you suspect it isn’t being used for the purpose it was donated. Unsure what the success rate is on actually getting your money back though.
 
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My own very minor dealings with coroners have left me confused about the actual purpose of them.

Suicide of a young person, not a child, after being discharged from a psych unit. The nursing staff strongly, strongly suspected the young person was ill as a result of years of sexual abuse from the overbearing father who dominated the proceedings though person never directly divulged. Coroners focused massively on berating and blaming the psych unit and bent over backwards apologising to and sympathising with family.

Looks like the same thing will happen here…because institutions are easier to blame than individuals?
 
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