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not-a-medical-Dr Jessica Taylor monetising the Russell Brand and David Walliams news is disgusting. She forced her vulnerable employees to sign an NDA to stop them whistle blowing. She threatened survivors of sexual abuse to sue them for “every single one of their assets” if they spoke up. She is one of the most dangerous people in the VAWG sector and does so much harm to women and girls.
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wow just saw a trailer, looks very interesting, if anyone knows anywhere except sky or now tv where i can watch it
Not Shamima this time but another terrorist sympathiser bemoaning her luck. Children in tow this time.
www.bbc.co.uk
This is starting to look like a campaign from the BBC and the media.
“For god’s sake think of the children”. Why? She didn’t.
Islamic State mother Nicole Jack says 'don't sweep us under carpet'
Nicole Jack, who joined IS in 2015, says she is "out of sight, out of mind" in a camp in Syria.
www.bbc.co.uk
This is starting to look like a campaign from the BBC and the media.
“For god’s sake think of the children”. Why? She didn’t.
She wanted to keep the family as a unit, yes because it is better to take your four children to live with ISIS than be separated from their terrorist father and remain in the UK with their mother and extended family and the life they have always known.Not Shamima this time but another terrorist sympathiser bemoaning her luck. Children in tow this time.
Islamic State mother Nicole Jack says 'don't sweep us under carpet'
Nicole Jack, who joined IS in 2015, says she is "out of sight, out of mind" in a camp in Syria.
This is starting to look like a campaign from the BBC and the media.
“For god’s sake think of the children”. Why? She didn’t.
As a mother you are usually the main protector of your children, she should have fought for them. As Shamima is, she seems unfazed as the death of her son, who she put in the position.
This is not the children’s fault, but we cannot risk the saftey of many more children and people by allowing these women who are clearly not sorry or changed back into the UK.
Her mother has just been interviewed on the BBC, states that she’s served a 6 years sentence without a trial and that that should be used if she comes back and is trialed here.
No this woman has lived the last 6 years as she decided to, yes it might not have turned out as she expected but she decided to go. There were optionsto stay, she could have reported her husband and got help in the UK.
No doubt they expect her to come back, be given police protection, housing, benefits etc.
No this woman has lived the last 6 years as she decided to, yes it might not have turned out as she expected but she decided to go. There were optionsto stay, she could have reported her husband and got help in the UK.
No doubt they expect her to come back, be given police protection, housing, benefits etc.
Interesting little video from the BBC.
Both of these guys have also been stripped of citizenship and I see now concerted campaign to bring them back. One is severely disabled.
Both of these guys have also been stripped of citizenship and I see now concerted campaign to bring them back. One is severely disabled.
you see I don't understand how what they thought they were joining was different from what it was, right from the beginning IS made their views on women's rights/gay people etc very clear. Maybe it was worse than they thoguht in terms of dangers on the ground, but ultimately they must have agreed with the views that were espoused
The way these groups work is insidious. They tell you you can’t trust the government, the police, the media etc. They tell you everyone else is lying to you and they, and only they, are telling the truth. If you’re young, idealistic and feel disenfranchised that is exactly what you want to hear. “Your problems aren’t of your own making but are because of racism/islamophobia/sexism/homophobia/boomers (pick one). We are like you and we will not lie. We have your back”. Pure bull of course, but you wouldn’t believe it unless in your heart of hearts you wanted to believe it.
This whole case brings up such mixed feelings in me and probably in a lot of people.
She seems immature and defiant to me not a very good combination?
I do however think that the radicalisation of young people is a much bigger problem than we would like to believe and she along with others was groomed.
In this case though probably the grooming started at home and that's even more frightening?
If she has grown up in a household very hostile to Britain and western values then her running off to join ISIS is just the next logical step.
So the grooming as such will have just found an already alienated and possibly angry young woman and therefore it would have been quite easy to convert her would it not?
So I think the family are definitely more complicit than has been admitted or investigated.
It's a waste of a young life in that she got maybe carried away with the idea of being a freedom fighter (, ironically isn't that what terrorists everywhere call themselves?) and a warrior and a rebel.
Although actually she's not a rebel with a cause at all she is just continuing a to toxic family legacy of living in Britain but having no allegiance or sympathy for the culture that should have been hers except that it was rejected in favour of the culture of the father (looks extremist) and also living with resentments stirred up by the past.
Some people despite ample chance simply don't want to integrate because they feel like they will lose their former identity?
Maybe that's an identity based and formed on the basis of being an outsider and not belonging and not wanting to belong either!
Maybe because of a sense also of (moral) superiority and victimisation they often go together.
She still has this mentality I think and if questioned would probably (at least in her own mind) find plenty of justification for any of her actions
Justification because if you are brought up to believe that the society you are brought up in is bad then it's not your fault if you go against it right?
Except that she's not fighting to make the world a better place( which is what others also feeling lost or hurt could do and have done) but is instead fighting against it because the world in her head is a division ridden inhospitable place full of conflict?
That's what she was nurtured on(I think) that's what she knows and probably still believes in and things won't change until she finds peace herself.
People can't give that to her she's a political pawn in some sense the people that join ISIS are expendable it's a community United in violence if you don't value your life and respect it you won't be able to value the life of others either?
This being the problem where past pain grows into the future pain of others but even if we understand and it's really regrettable what happened laws do need to be put in place and enforced despite what some are lead to believe you cannot just justify your actions and go ahead and hurt others because long ago someone hurt your ancestors and life is then an epic grudge match with anger and hostility matched with more anger and hostility and violence.
There are things going on in the (elite) shadows dehumanisation radicalisation theft fighting taking from others violence and degradation.
Also the attitude of not being held to account or accountable and I think people do get brainwashed and I think she still is?
That's why a part of me feels bad for her because she is not awake and has been force-fed stories of others evil but unfortunately not been aware of her own capacity for evil either and that's painful?
If that ever happens it's going to be one long dark night of the soul for her but really that's the only way she can reclaim back her humanity (that was probably never allowed to flourish in the first place)
If she stays as a victim then she will never understand that actually she herself probably victimised other people as well?
It's a horrible chain and legacy of despair and alienation and hate if she wants forgiveness then she has to open herself to the possibility of redemption and that's accepting that your human and have limits and make mistakes?
Also accepting that yes I was groomed and yes taken advantage of but as I said (the programming) in her has started young?
Could she have the strength for example to break away from her father or go against him or challenge him with the righteous anger that her naivity and innocence was exploited?
That she was nurtured on hate and a false sense of being apart from the rest (being special) and only having an obligation first to her family and then to ISIS?
Unless she could be strong enough herself (maybe with support) to see where the roots of terrorism really came from then I doubt she will be able to grow up or heal or forgive or be forgiven?
Just my thoughts anyway?
She seems immature and defiant to me not a very good combination?
I do however think that the radicalisation of young people is a much bigger problem than we would like to believe and she along with others was groomed.
In this case though probably the grooming started at home and that's even more frightening?
If she has grown up in a household very hostile to Britain and western values then her running off to join ISIS is just the next logical step.
So the grooming as such will have just found an already alienated and possibly angry young woman and therefore it would have been quite easy to convert her would it not?
So I think the family are definitely more complicit than has been admitted or investigated.
It's a waste of a young life in that she got maybe carried away with the idea of being a freedom fighter (, ironically isn't that what terrorists everywhere call themselves?) and a warrior and a rebel.
Although actually she's not a rebel with a cause at all she is just continuing a to toxic family legacy of living in Britain but having no allegiance or sympathy for the culture that should have been hers except that it was rejected in favour of the culture of the father (looks extremist) and also living with resentments stirred up by the past.
Some people despite ample chance simply don't want to integrate because they feel like they will lose their former identity?
Maybe that's an identity based and formed on the basis of being an outsider and not belonging and not wanting to belong either!
Maybe because of a sense also of (moral) superiority and victimisation they often go together.
She still has this mentality I think and if questioned would probably (at least in her own mind) find plenty of justification for any of her actions
Justification because if you are brought up to believe that the society you are brought up in is bad then it's not your fault if you go against it right?
Except that she's not fighting to make the world a better place( which is what others also feeling lost or hurt could do and have done) but is instead fighting against it because the world in her head is a division ridden inhospitable place full of conflict?
That's what she was nurtured on(I think) that's what she knows and probably still believes in and things won't change until she finds peace herself.
People can't give that to her she's a political pawn in some sense the people that join ISIS are expendable it's a community United in violence if you don't value your life and respect it you won't be able to value the life of others either?
This being the problem where past pain grows into the future pain of others but even if we understand and it's really regrettable what happened laws do need to be put in place and enforced despite what some are lead to believe you cannot just justify your actions and go ahead and hurt others because long ago someone hurt your ancestors and life is then an epic grudge match with anger and hostility matched with more anger and hostility and violence.
There are things going on in the (elite) shadows dehumanisation radicalisation theft fighting taking from others violence and degradation.
Also the attitude of not being held to account or accountable and I think people do get brainwashed and I think she still is?
That's why a part of me feels bad for her because she is not awake and has been force-fed stories of others evil but unfortunately not been aware of her own capacity for evil either and that's painful?
If that ever happens it's going to be one long dark night of the soul for her but really that's the only way she can reclaim back her humanity (that was probably never allowed to flourish in the first place)
If she stays as a victim then she will never understand that actually she herself probably victimised other people as well?
It's a horrible chain and legacy of despair and alienation and hate if she wants forgiveness then she has to open herself to the possibility of redemption and that's accepting that your human and have limits and make mistakes?
Also accepting that yes I was groomed and yes taken advantage of but as I said (the programming) in her has started young?
Could she have the strength for example to break away from her father or go against him or challenge him with the righteous anger that her naivity and innocence was exploited?
That she was nurtured on hate and a false sense of being apart from the rest (being special) and only having an obligation first to her family and then to ISIS?
Unless she could be strong enough herself (maybe with support) to see where the roots of terrorism really came from then I doubt she will be able to grow up or heal or forgive or be forgiven?
Just my thoughts anyway?
True, I mean it is the same with all the mad conspiracy theories now I guess. Sorry this is a topic that just makes me too angry, I worked in a small organisation that dealt with this area, and hearing some people justify their children going to join ISIS (when it was very obvious how awful they were) just pushed me over the edge and I find it difficult to sympathise as it is clear some (I assume a minority) of the families of these children did have these views that clearly influenced their children as @Misbehaving has said was most probably the case with Shamima
Yet another article about the children on ISIS by the BBC.
www.bbc.co.uk
Second time in a many weeks. I’m convinced they are trying to reframe this as a great humanitarian issue
The children of IS: 'It's a disaster we cannot deal with'
Inside IS detention camps in Syria, officials say violence and radicalisation are a growing problem.
www.bbc.co.uk
Second time in a many weeks. I’m convinced they are trying to reframe this as a great humanitarian issue
I agree, but it is a disaster in the making, and the Syrians must be getting fed up with the whole bloody lot of them. I have no idea what the solution is.
I think there's room for the issue to be solved in a case-by-case basis tbh
You're bound to have some people who have snapped out of the radicalised mind state at least enough for them to be deemed safe to return - offer them some sort of support and keep them on some sort of watch list (obviously easier said than done). Children are a whole different thing and I wouldn't be surprised if they were deemed to be a priority (and therefore their parents would be a priority too)
The problem with Shamima is that she has never appeared to be genuinely sorry for what she has done in any of the interviews she has done. I don't expect her to be crying and begging for the UK to allow her back in, but being able to say sorry without pausing and sounding like it's a chore isn't too much to ask for surely? If she can't do something as simple as that, I really don't think there's much hope for her to be deemed safe enough for the country
There's also a podcast about an American woman who did something similar, and one of the kids was used in ISIS propaganda videos, that some of you may find interesting - I'm Not A Monster
You're bound to have some people who have snapped out of the radicalised mind state at least enough for them to be deemed safe to return - offer them some sort of support and keep them on some sort of watch list (obviously easier said than done). Children are a whole different thing and I wouldn't be surprised if they were deemed to be a priority (and therefore their parents would be a priority too)
The problem with Shamima is that she has never appeared to be genuinely sorry for what she has done in any of the interviews she has done. I don't expect her to be crying and begging for the UK to allow her back in, but being able to say sorry without pausing and sounding like it's a chore isn't too much to ask for surely? If she can't do something as simple as that, I really don't think there's much hope for her to be deemed safe enough for the country
There's also a podcast about an American woman who did something similar, and one of the kids was used in ISIS propaganda videos, that some of you may find interesting - I'm Not A Monster
More national press? She must have some very well connected people in her corner trying to drum up sympathy.
I'm just waiting for Clarence Mitchell to appear
I’m really really trying to get my head around how she felt that life in the UK was “too restrictive”, but life in ISIS wasn’t
Ok different people different perspectives, bit that is just insane. []
Oh I wish she would give it a rest
Sky News (and all News Corp publications) have a right-leaning bias so I was puzzled as to why they were the ones to publish this interview that is now being covered elsewhere in the press. I don't necessarily think Sky is trying to drum up sympathy. I think that they know that their viewership go mad whenever Shamima Begum is given any attention and it will cause people to engage with negative Youtube comments, angry tweets etc. Now you're probably right that she has good connections who reach out for interviews on her behalf to garner sympathy, but definitely the news-broadcasters choosing to share her interviews do so because that this type of interview will cause outrage and thus engagement happens. More views, more money.
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