Shamima Begum

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I lean towards empathy. She was a child and was groomed most definitely BUT what really disturbs me is now that she’s a woman and has lost 3 children as a result of her lifestyle choices she still lacks any remorse or compassion. There is nothing there. Her eyes are cold and glassy. Surly. Rehearsed. Entitled. What she has witnessed and engaged in breaks a person to the very core, but she seems so unaffected… comfortable even.
And how many women have lost their kids due to terrorism that she was directly involved in not some innocent housewife the narrative she likes to paint.
I can't believe 87 people have voted yes... duck her she can rot over there
 
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I feel strongly she should be let back because she was a young child of 15 who was groomed online by extremists. At 15 children are not the same as adults, they think they know everything but don't know anything. We were doing all sorts of silly things at that age, that I wouldn't dream of doing now.
I think she should be allowed back on the condition that she is supervised and gets support etc.
Its rather hypocritical that the U.K wont let her return but they sell billions of pounds worth of arms to the Saudis who then bomb Yemen etc and kill thousands of innocents. Ridiculous really.
 
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Apparently she can help the government with terrorism. Yeah why not, bring her back and give her a job lol. :rolleyes:

I'm still curious where all those hundreds (if not thousands) of former Isis members who returned back here, have gone. Hopefully they are being monitored
 
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If I was her, I'd want to stay there. If she returns to Britain then there's a high possibility she ends up in a prison cell for years. Didn't she mention a while ago that the Manchester arena bombing was justified? That wasn't when she was 15, that was quite recent. Then again she's British citizen, so what do you do. Bring her back to face justice might be the best option. I am sure the families of the Yazidi women would want justice too. I wouldn't think twice about allowing those people to enact their own justice on her.
She's not a British citizen. She lost that in February 2019.

If she was able to return to the UK there's no guarantee that she would end up in a prison cell at all. She would have to be charged with a crime first and it's not clear what that would be.
 
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I believe it is our job to trial her and whatnot here in the UK as she was radicalised in this country and shouldn't be fobbed off to some country she's never lived in however I struggle to sympathise. I don't doubt she must have more trauma than any of us but she's shown little remorse and I don't believe she wouldn't do it again if she was offered a cushy lifestyle. My sympathy lies with my beautiful city and all of those who lost their lives at the Ariana Grande concert or have to live with grief and PTSD. I am left wing but I find the hypocrisy astounding from some of the self proclaimed activists who try and cancel people for tweets they made at 15 or 16 and have clearly apologised and learnt from yet want to welcome back this 'poor victim' with open arms. Now you'll never catch me ever voting Tory but I've seen your everyday Tory voter receive more hate than Shemima from leftists. I wouldn't mind her going through some form of retribution process in prison but this idea that she should be let straight out into the real world after what she did is ridiculous and unrealistic.
 
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I have really mixed feelings.

I get that she was a child and was groomed (though accept she was above the age of criminal responsibility) and identity markers buy her less sympathy (brown, female, Muslim) compared with others. I watched a documentary on the al-Hol camp and one of the guards spoke of the fall of the caliphate: the citizens were instructed to denounce their religion, return to their homes and wait to ISIS to 'rise' again.

I think Shamima is an incredibly dangerous woman, and I don't think she realises. Wearing Western clothes (on the instructions of her solicitor, probably) with offers to assist the government demonstrate her lack of insight. I think it would take years, if not decades of deprogramming and de-radicalisation to get to grips with what she saw (and possibly did) out there.
 
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Isn't it odd that IS are aware of her change of heart ,even speaking out against their regime and yet have taken no action against her :unsure: :sneaky:
I agree, she was scared of them before but now is okay to speak out against them, despite being in the same camp? ISIS are very clever and I think they would definitely use her to infiltrate @NeverEnough toally agree, and if she somehow had no idea what was happening how could she be any help with anti terrorism?
As I have said before, we legally have to take her back, you cannot remove someone;s citizenship like this regardless of what they have done. I think she needs to be imprisoned and removed from the influences that led her down this path - what scares me is the fact she could (if let back in) end up working in some kind of counter terrorism thing (as she is pitching), no way in hell would I trust her with anything this confidential

Good morning Brit have uploaded her interview. Surprised to see her take off her headscarf and the low cut top.

her accent has really changed, anyone else notice this? she used to have a very typical london accent and now seems to have an almost american one
 
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I agree, she was scared of them before but now is okay to speak out against them, despite being in the same camp? ISIS are very clever and I think they would definitely use her to infiltrate @NeverEnough toally agree, and if she somehow had no idea what was happening how could she be any help with anti terrorism?
As I have said before, we legally have to take her back, you cannot remove someone;s citizenship like this regardless of what they have done. I think she needs to be imprisoned and removed from the influences that led her down this path - what scares me is the fact she could (if let back in) end up working in some kind of counter terrorism thing (as she is pitching), no way in hell would I trust her with anything this confidential


her accent has really changed, anyone else notice this? she used to have a very typical london accent and now seems to have an almost american one
'Hidden in plain' sight comes to mind there's noway she could be trusted especially around anyone with a mind for terrorism .
 
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I agree, she was scared of them before but now is okay to speak out against them, despite being in the same camp? ISIS are very clever and I think they would definitely use her to infiltrate @NeverEnough toally agree, and if she somehow had no idea what was happening how could she be any help with anti terrorism?
As I have said before, we legally have to take her back, you cannot remove someone;s citizenship like this regardless of what they have done. I think she needs to be imprisoned and removed from the influences that led her down this path - what scares me is the fact she could (if let back in) end up working in some kind of counter terrorism thing (as she is pitching), no way in hell would I trust her with anything this confidential


her accent has really changed, anyone else notice this? she used to have a very typical london accent and now seems to have an almost american one
sorry I am now just watching "if i ever offended anyone by coming here"?!?!?!?!?!? wtaf, you didn't offend me , you participated, directly or otherwise in the brutal torture and murder of thousands of people. I really have no words. and this whole "women and children" thing/ "a lot of people won't understand", she said the same about the manchester bombings. She did well at school, is clearly not stupid, HOW would she not have known what was going on in Syria?
 
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In her interview, Begum argued that she could help Boris Johnson in tackling terrorism, using “my own experience” explaining how extremists “persuade people to do what they do”. She added: “I think I could very much help you in your fight against terrorism, because you clearly don’t know what you’re doing.”

The above doesn't come out very well.

Is she not eligible to claim Bangladeshi citizenship?
 
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Her apology was pathetic, ‘if I have offended anyone’. If?! If?!
There is question about what she did during her time with ISIS. She shouldn’t be allowed back, none of them should. She’s doing a PR blitz, it’s disgusting.
 
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In her interview, Begum argued that she could help Boris Johnson in tackling terrorism, using “my own experience” explaining how extremists “persuade people to do what they do”. She added: “I think I could very much help you in your fight against terrorism, because you clearly don’t know what you’re doing.”

The above doesn't come out very well.

Is she not eligible to claim Bangladeshi citizenship?
She said in the interview that if she goes to Bangladesh she’ll face the death penalty. They don’t want her either.
 
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I agree, she was scared of them before but now is okay to speak out against them, despite being in the same camp? ISIS are very clever and I think they would definitely use her to infiltrate @NeverEnough toally agree, and if she somehow had no idea what was happening how could she be any help with anti terrorism?
As I have said before, we legally have to take her back, you cannot remove someone;s citizenship like this regardless of what they have done. I think she needs to be imprisoned and removed from the influences that led her down this path - what scares me is the fact she could (if let back in) end up working in some kind of counter terrorism thing (as she is pitching), no way in hell would I trust her with anything this confidential


her accent has really changed, anyone else notice this? she used to have a very typical london accent and now seems to have an almost american one
also she does the typical thing people lying do when she denies helping people into suicide vests, looking to the side etc. Very different from how she is in the rest of the interview
 
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Why is she even getting publicity? At this rate, she will be on Love Island next.
If she has done nothing wrong then why is she begging for forgiveness.
 
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Her apology was pathetic, ‘if I have offended anyone’. If?! If?!
There is question about what she did during her time with ISIS. She shouldn’t be allowed back, none of them should. She’s doing a PR blitz, it’s disgusting.
omg that just drove me mad!!! it is like a fake celebrity apology "I apologise if anyone was offended that i called them large"... I mean.......
 
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Why is she even getting publicity? At this rate, she will be on Love Island next.
If she has done nothing wrong then why is she begging for forgiveness.
I said the same earlier, why is she being given so much air time?

I saw Sajid Javid say that when he looked at all the details of that had happened, it was a clear cut decision to make to revoke her citizenship. So we don’t necessarily know everything, and I feel pretty confident that if that’s the decision that was made, it was made with the safety of the country in mind.
 
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One of the issues of bringing her back is that it would be near impossibly to prove any crime and so she would likely end up walking free.
 
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One of the issues of bringing her back is that it would be near impossibly to prove any crime and so she would likely end up walking free.
That's probably because she hasn't committed a crime that we know of.
Her citizenship was revoked illegally, passing the buck to Bangladesh is yet another cop out by the British authorities.
 
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Does anyone know the name of the white male who groomed the 15 year old schoolgirl, grape her, gave her three children who all died and was then killed leaving her all alone in that shithole thousands of miles from her home and family? No? Didn’t think so.
 
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Does anyone know the name of the white male who groomed the 15 year old schoolgirl, grape her, gave her three children who all died and was then killed leaving her all alone in that shithole thousands of miles from her home and family? No? Didn’t think so.
He wasn’t killed. He was captured and is in prison. His name is Yago Riedijk, he’s from the Netherlands and they have had contact.
 
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