Why are you bringing skin colour into this? I uphold the same view of Jack Letts (jihadi Jack) also.
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not-a-medical-Dr Jessica Taylor monetising the Russell Brand and David Walliams news is disgusting. She forced her vulnerable employees to sign an NDA to stop them whistle blowing. She threatened survivors of sexual abuse to sue them for “every single one of their assets” if they spoke up. She is one of the most dangerous people in the VAWG sector and does so much harm to women and girls.
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He was 19 when he left the country. An adult.
Shamima Begum: 'I didn't want to be IS poster girl'
In a BBC interview, Shamima Begum says the choice to go to Syria was her own and asks for forgiveness.
www.bbc.com
Hardly. I’m sure you’ll find worse said elsewhere, it’s a very heated topic and judging by the poll above then many people are in agreement that they wouldn’t want her back in Britain. If she was white, I still wouldn’t have any sympathy. In fact, I may even have less. It’s not about her race to me, it’s about her lack of remorse. She’s only sorry because things didn’t pan out how she imagined they would and has had to come crawling back with her tail between her legs.
What do people think she did? She was hardly osama bin laden, she was a housewife getting constantly knocked up living in some godforsaken hut in the desert. “Has had to
Come back with her tail between her legs” what, from her glamorous life of international crime? Hardly.
Come back with her tail between her legs” what, from her glamorous life of international crime? Hardly.
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No matter her remorse, no matter her intentions etc the fact still remains she is a British criminal and therefore should face British justice. The issue is this country cannot wash their hands of their citizens. It doesn't work like that. If people have an issue with the fact that she may not get an appropriate sentence then that is for them to put pressure on the government to change, not pretend she isn't our issue and leave her to roam free. We cannot shout that any foreign criminals should be deported to their own country then not face up to our responsibilities, it's hypocritical. Plus we also need to do more to stop extremism and protect those at risk of this.
Where did I say it was glamorous and how do you know exactly what she was involved in when she was there? She could turn a blind eye to people being decapitated and tortured and was, in her own words, “okay” with that. That is not normal.
I agree, it is Britain that has to deal with her appropriately but that doesn’t mean I have faith that they will.
My point is I’m struggling to understand what Britain could do it deal with her. What crimes has she committed (or suspected of) under British legal juristriction?
Everyone is saying she needs to come back and be put in prison/ dealt with but for what?
I suspect she’ll be (Or has already been ) detained in a de radicalisation program and watched closely for the rest of her life
Exactly. She’s vile. And this country doesn’t need or want her.
It’s a very emotive and difficult situation. Essentially I think as a nation, we need to recognise that she was failed. She is a victim.
I don’t have the answers of where to go from here, but it certainly highlights how young, vulnerable people are able to be radicalised.
Look at the poor victims of the Rotherham child sexual exploitation scandal. One of the victims was groomed and then used to groom other young girls into the ring. What she did was wrong, I won’t lose sight of that, but essentially she is a victim of grooming and at the time was exploited.
Over egging or over stating her importance sends out the wrong message. She was a stupid school girl, groomed online, rebelling Against her parents or poorly parented by them; naive and easily led.
she’s become a political/ media pawn in a way Men who are similarly radicalised never do for a number of reasons-
- good old fashioned mysigony (the men in her situation actually do gain A form of power and are something The country should fear- constantly knocking out babies in conditions so poor they don’t even live isn’t really something the U.K. should be frightened of)
- right place right time- sending out a message to other families vulnerable to grooming and increasing javids popularity by showing what a hard a he is
- the pure unusualness of a school girl plotting and executing a trip alone to a war zone from a country of safety and going ahead with it
She left with 2 other girls, one of whom was killed in an air strike and the other is missing. At least they learnt their lesson hey?
she’s become a political/ media pawn in a way Men who are similarly radicalised never do for a number of reasons-
- good old fashioned mysigony (the men in her situation actually do gain A form of power and are something The country should fear- constantly knocking out babies in conditions so poor they don’t even live isn’t really something the U.K. should be frightened of)
- right place right time- sending out a message to other families vulnerable to grooming and increasing javids popularity by showing what a hard a he is
- the pure unusualness of a school girl plotting and executing a trip alone to a war zone from a country of safety and going ahead with it
She left with 2 other girls, one of whom was killed in an air strike and the other is missing. At least they learnt their lesson hey?
How I feel about it is that even though she may not have ‘committed an actual crime’ as in beheaded anyone etc. I feel that supporting this group in any way shape or form is a crime against humanity. I know she was young but at that age I knew what was right and wrong. What they stand for is abhorrent and sympathisers in any form should not be tolerated in this country. I think she should be held in this country in prison, with no privileges and used to find out more info on Isis. I know the tax payer would have to fund her prison stay but I think she should be monitored in prison and all Liberty taken away I’d be happy knowing she was somewhere where she can be monitored and not off spreading the vile hate anywhere else in secret
You’re extremely naive.
You may also want to read up on jurisdiction in regards to terrorism.
I agree. At 14 I knew exactly what I was doing. I think she was immature and impressionable. I’d rather she didn’t walk the streets of London, thank you. I don’t think she has one iota of regret.
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Go on then, give us all the benefit of your expertise
At 16 I got involved with an animal extremist group and found myself at a point where I could have got involved in some pretty dark stuff. It was exciting and for what I thought was a really good cause. Thankfully I had people around me who stopped me going to far. Whilst it wasn't moving to Syria, I look back at that and wonder how I could have gotten into that because its not who I am now. I wasn't a stupid child and I thought I had my life mapped out but I was a pretty vulnerable person.
Noone is saying she should be welcomed home with open arms, or set free to live her life happily ever after. She was above the age of criminal responsibility and therefore there are consequences to her actions. But its not a clear cut case.
Is being part of an illegal organisation not a chargeable offence ? A guy that lives near me went to Syria and pics were posted on FB of him mixing with the wrong people( shall we say) and the minute he returned home he was taken into custody and a court case ensued but because they had no proof and he denied it the case was dropped ...Has she ever appeared on film admitting she's part of such an organisation ?
An adolescent brain isn’t fully developed until 25. While someone as a teen, may feel grown up and sensible, they are more likely to engage in risky behaviour.
definitely not a clear cut case.
You cannot be groomed into finding beheading videos attractive.
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