Shamima Begum

[emm]

The hypocrisy is absurd isn't it?

absurd and enfuriating!

 

[Platypusfattypus]

I've never understood why people want others to forgo their culture and assimilate completely into British culture when they come here. One of the nice things about living in the UK is that you can find shops on the high street that sell Chinese spices, or Indian spices etc. You can try the cuisine of almost every country in the world, experience different festivals etc. To me, that diversity is a strength. People focus on an individual who commits crimes, rather than the many who live peacefully by our side.

What even is "British" culture anyway? Christianity isn't a native religion. Fish and chips isn't originally a British thing. Our language is the result of invasion. Our main dish is Chicken tikka masala. We're now even adopting American consumerism culture in terms of Black Friday and Cyber Monday etc. I guess we have May Day and Morris dancing? But they're often shunned by most British people. I don't think British culture has ever really been that strong, it's a consequence of us being an island and having been invaded over the years. I guess Wales and Scotland have unique customs etc, although it's important to note sometimes the English tried to eradicate them (by banning the use of the Welsh language and removing its status, etc).

Immigration was welcomed by Britain initially. The 1948 British Nationality Act said that all Commonwealth citizens could have British passports and work in the UK. We lost so many men in the wars and we brought people over to help rebuild the country again. Seems like now things have come full circle and people resent them.

I do find most people who bemoan those who do not learn the language, do not share the same disdain for British people who holiday / retire to Spain without knowing any Spanish. They also often have poor command of their beloved English language.

I know I'm rambling. I just think people bemoaning immigration because it "destroys our culture" is the height of hypocrisy, considering how a) our culture is largely a mixture of those from invaders and more recently immigration, b) we welcomed immigration to get the country running again, c) the cultural genocide the British Empire was responsible for.

 

[HelloStereo]

 

[totallytaz]

I've never understood why people want others to forgo their culture and assimilate completely into British culture when they come here. One of the nice things about living in the UK is that you can find shops on the high street that sell Chinese spices, or Indian spices etc. You can try the cuisine of almost every country in the world, experience different festivals etc. To me, that diversity is a strength. People focus on an individual who commits crimes, rather than the many who live peacefully by our side.


I do find most people who bemoan those who do not learn the language, do not share the same disdain for British people who holiday / retire to Spain without knowing any Spanish. They also often have poor command of their beloved English language.

The topic is about an individual who has committed a crime so this will be a focus point in this particular thread.

Completely agree about the language learning and the lazy brits abroad. Even as a holiday-maker you should have a duty to at the very least learn some greetings.

You cannot get to know the culture without learning the language.

 

[HelloStereo]

The topic is about an individual who has committed a crime so this will be a focus point in this particular thread.

Completely agree about the language learning and the lazy brits abroad. Even as a holiday-maker you should have a duty to at the very least learn some greetings.

You cannot get to know the culture without learning the language.

I agree, the thread should focus on her. But if you read a few pages earlier it seemed to descend into an attack on immigration and a loss of 'British culture'. My post was in response to that mainly.

 

[Readread]

The topic is about an individual who has committed a crime so this will be a focus point in this particular thread.

Completely agree about the language learning and the lazy brits abroad. Even as a holiday-maker you should have a duty to at the very least learn some greetings.

You cannot get to know the culture without learning the language.

Is that a serious comment? I live in the Middle East but don't speak conversational Arabic and know a lot about Arabic culture...

 

[totallytaz]

Is that a serious comment? I live in the Middle East but don't speak conversational Arabic and know a lot about Arabic culture...

I’m afraid it is. I live in Asia and I have learned much more about through learning the language and befriending locals. I’m talking a bit more than cultural etiquette. I’m simply speaking from experience.

 

[Yel]

Her case has just been denied and will not be allowed to return to the UK to face justice.

I'm a bit surprised to be honest, I thought she'd be back with a lot of restrictions.

 

[JoeBloggs]

Her case has just been denied and will not be allowed to return to the UK to face justice.

I'm a bit surprised to be honest, I thought she'd be back with a lot of restrictions.

I’m very surprised. Very pleased and I think it’s a great example to set.

 

[WilmaHun]

I also expected that she would be allowed back, albeit with a lot of restrictions as Yel says.

 

[Book]

Her case has just been denied and will not be allowed to return to the UK to face justice.

I'm a bit surprised to be honest, I thought she'd be back with a lot of restrictions.

Restrictions that would not be complied to.Nor the resources to make sure she did no doubt.

 

[lemonlime]

Her case has just been denied and will not be allowed to return to the UK to face justice.

I'm a bit surprised to be honest, I thought she'd be back with a lot of restrictions.

Delighted! I don't live in the UK but have been following her case with my jaw on the floor, the bleeping nerve to beg and plea to return to the country after all the unspeakable things she found no trouble being a part of was astonishing. Too bad if she thinks the consequences don't suit her liking.

 

[HelloStereo]

It just means she can't return while she appeals. If she wins her appeal she'll be coming back to face justice in the UK. At least that is my intepretation of the ruling.

 

[Readread]

Thank god for that!

Doubt she will win her appeal.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Good news! Although I think the judgement means that she cannot come back to the UK to hear her citizenship case. I still think she will end up back in the UK and be able to go about her business, if that happens it will be a sad day. There is still an army of lawyers and activist in the system fighting to get her back. I hope she stays stuck in Syria.

 

[monga]

I’m not sure if she’s able to appeal

 

[HelloStereo]

I’m not sure if she’s able to appeal

She's appealing her British citizenship being revoked. I believe that the Supreme Court overturned that decision saying that her returning would be a threat to public security.

Regarding her pursuing her case, Lord Reed said this:

“The appropriate response to the problem in the present case is for the deprivation hearing to be stayed – or postponed – until Ms Begum is in a position to play an effective part in it without the safety of the public being compromised."

 

[Yel]

Good news! Although I think the judgement means that she cannot come back to the UK to hear her citizenship case.

Yep, was posting to bump the thread the moment it was announced

Doesn't bode well for the citizenship case

 

[monga]

She's appealing her British citizenship being revoked. I believe that the Supreme Court overturned that decision saying that her returning would be a threat to public security.

Regarding her pursuing her case, Lord Reed said this:

“The appropriate response to the problem in the present case is for the deprivation hearing to be stayed – or postponed – until Ms Begum is in a position to play an effective part in it without the safety of the public being compromised."

When would they deem that to be the case though...when she’s 99 and incapable of rational thought and physical ability ?

 

[AllSeeingEye123]

https://www.archive.is/oldest/https...m-21-return-UK-fight-British-citizenship.html

Great news. I don't care how old you are if you are against the western way of life you aren't welcome back ever again. She should be lucky she's still alive and not locked up in a prison.