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I live near Saint Hill, it’s huge and they put on lots of free events like fireworks shows etc which I think are a rouse to get people in. I’ve never been but the temple is impressive from the road side.

You would not know we lived in the Uk hub for it, though there is a rumour that Tom Cruise has a house here.

An associate of my dad told me his dad set up the temple here and was big in the Scientology world. Have no idea how true that was as he started recommended courses to me and I didn’t want to get involved!
Tom Cruise sold his house in Dormans Park, but yes he did own one here for a while

If you know who you’re looking for, they’re quite easy to spot in town. They all dress the same 😂
 
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Just watched a 2 hour long documentary on Sky about this last night. Wow. How scary is it that so many otherwise decent & sensible people can be brainwashed so easily. At least some of them came to their senses and are speaking out, even admitting how they lied to interviewers, the press, etc, beforehand. The way that creep David Miscavige sends his lackeys to the homes of those who either leave or speak out - to intimidate and threaten them - is quite terrifying.

What I took from it was, that they prod and encourage newcomers to admit to their failings, divulge past secrets, shameful behaviour (which, as human beings most of us all have) then they document/record it, exaggerate it, lie about it, and use it against you if you want to leave by threatening to expose all to the press in the hope of destroying them.

How sad that complete families are being destroyed by one person coming to their senses and then find themselves being completely shunned & ostracized for life by their very own spouse/parents/children/grandchildren, etc.

And Creepy Miscavige is the epitome of Napoleon Complex.

This 'religion' is like Stockholm Syndrome on steroids.
 
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Just watched a 2 hour long documentary on Sky about this last night. Wow. How scary is it that so many otherwise decent & sensible people can be brainwashed so easily. At least some of them came to their senses and are speaking out, even admitting how they lied to interviewers, the press, etc, beforehand. The way that creep David Miscavige sends his lackeys to the homes of those who either leave or speak out - to intimidate and threaten them - is quite terrifying.

What I took from it was, that they prod and encourage newcomers to admit to their failings, divulge past secrets, shameful behaviour (which, as human beings most of us all have) then they document/record it, exaggerate it, lie about it, and use it against you if you want to leave by threatening to expose all to the press in the hope of destroying them.

How sad that complete families are being destroyed by one person coming to their senses and then find themselves being completely shunned & ostracized for life by their very own spouse/parents/children/grandchildren, etc.

And Creepy Miscavige is the epitome of Napoleon Complex.

This 'religion' is like Stockholm Syndrome on steroids.

Which documentary did you watch? It’s fascinating but not in a good way.
 
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I've never understood why alarm bells don't start ringing as soon as they start demanding money for "enlightment".

That would just raise major red flags to me, even if I'd never heard of this religion.
 
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Just watched Leah Remini's documentary on how & why she left this 'church'. Chilling stuff, indeed. Well worth a watch.

Leah interviewed an ex female member (who'd also managed to escape the clutches of Scientology) who said her 12 year-old son had sex with a 40 year-old woman while a member of this so-called church. Parents & children are separated, btw, and aren't allowed to have any communication, so parents have no idea what's happening to their kids. I think they're allowed so many hours communication per year.

The documentary was made in 2016 I think, don't know how long it took to be aired. But if true, this is grape and should be thoroughly investigated. How on earth is this cult (my own description, because that's what I believe it to be) being allowed to continue without proper investigation in supposedly civilised nations?

Just watching the members (Sea Orgs) on that documentary parading back & forth to classes, etc, as though in a trance, reminded me of of that film The Stepford Wives - although these people aren't actors, they're unfortunately real, much more scary, and far more dangerous.
 
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Just watched Leah Remini's documentary on how & why she left this 'church'. Chilling stuff, indeed. Well worth a watch.

Leah interviewed an ex female member (who'd also managed to escape the clutches of Scientology) who said her 12 year-old son had sex with a 40 year-old woman while a member of this so-called church. Parents & children are separated, btw, and aren't allowed to have any communication, so parents have no idea what's happening to their kids. I think they're allowed so many hours communication per year.

The documentary was made in 2016 I think, don't know how long it took to be aired. But if true, this is grape and should be thoroughly investigated. How on earth is this cult (my own description, because that's what I believe it to be) being allowed to continue without proper investigation in supposedly civilised nations?

Just watching the members (Sea Orgs) on that documentary parading back & forth to classes, etc, as though in a trance, reminded me of of that film The Stepford Wives - although these people aren't actors, they're unfortunately real, much more scary, and far more dangerous.
I’ve seen lots of Scientology stuff on TikTok recently, young, good looking trendy people trying to make it sound fun and interesting. Obviously the PR machine going into overdrive. Then I came across a former member’s content on there today warning people not to be fooled by their “off the cuff” videos saying everything will be heavily scripted and carefully constructed, and citing her experiences of abuse and degradation before she escaped.
 
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I’ve seen lots of Scientology stuff on TikTok recently, young, good looking trendy people trying to make it sound fun and interesting. Obviously the PR machine going into overdrive. Then I came across a former member’s content on there today warning people not to be fooled by their “off the cuff” videos saying everything will be heavily scripted and carefully constructed, and citing her experiences of abuse and degradation before she escaped.
Yes, would the very fact that people had to try their damnedest to escape from this load of crock not be enough to tell these people something?

The ones I do feel sorry for are the children who are born into it and know no better, they know nothing else. They're so indoctrinated they're warned not to google anything to do with this 'religion' as it's a high sin, and they'll be punished severely for doing so. And they obey.

I also re-watched Louis Theroux's 'My Scientology Movie'. It seems even (some of) the police are either under their spell or at the very least, intimidated by them. Louis stopped off on a public road - at one of their gatehouse thingies outside their premises - to drop off a letter addressed to David Miscavige, and was threatened with the police ... as they said he was trespassing. The police duly arrived and one officer said he thought 'they' owned this road & that road and advised Louis & crew to move on. Turned out it was a public road after all. Why didn't the cops do their homework before turning up?

Anyway. This documentary featured yet another escapee - Mark (Marty) Rathbun who had previously been a very eager member of the church - one of Miscavige's henchmen, in fact - who was more than willing to use his fists on anyone who didn't toe the line. Unlike the escapees featured in all of the other Scientology documentaries I've watched, Rathbun came over (to me, anyway) as a very unlikeable person and I found myself losing sympathy with him quite early on in the programme.

In one scene, while driving, Louis attempted a bit of humour by saying to Rathbun: We're going to see another disgraced, embittered ex Scientologist who was also thrown out for misbehaviour. Obviously a tongue-in-cheek remark, but Rathbun huffed and challenged him for 'speaking to him the same way they did'. Then there was another scene whereby Rathbun took even more offence at something Louis said.

I couldn't make my mind up as to whether he was maybe on the spectrum, or had been so badly indoctrinated it still affected his life, or he was just the sort of person who was on the defensive all the time.
 
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Yes, would the very fact that people had to try their damnedest to escape from this load of crock not be enough to tell these people something?

The ones I do feel sorry for are the children who are born into it and know no better, they know nothing else. They're so indoctrinated they're warned not to google anything to do with this 'religion' as it's a high sin, and they'll be punished severely for doing so. And they obey.

I also re-watched Louis Theroux's 'My Scientology Movie'. It seems even (some of) the police are either under their spell or at the very least, intimidated by them. Louis stopped off on a public road - at one of their gatehouse thingies outside their premises - to drop off a letter addressed to David Miscavige, and was threatened with the police ... as they said he was trespassing. The police duly arrived and one officer said he thought 'they' owned this road & that road and advised Louis & crew to move on. Turned out it was a public road after all. Why didn't the cops do their homework before turning up?

Anyway. This documentary featured yet another escapee - Mark (Marty) Rathbun who had previously been a very eager member of the church - one of Miscavige's henchmen, in fact - who was more than willing to use his fists on anyone who didn't toe the line. Unlike the escapees featured in all of the other Scientology documentaries I've watched, Rathbun came over (to me, anyway) as a very unlikeable person and I found myself losing sympathy with him quite early on in the programme.

In one scene, while driving, Louis attempted a bit of humour by saying to Rathbun: We're going to see another disgraced, embittered ex Scientologist who was also thrown out for misbehaviour. Obviously a tongue-in-cheek remark, but Rathbun huffed and challenged him for 'speaking to him the same way they did'. Then there was another scene whereby Rathbun took even more offence at something Louis said.

I couldn't make my mind up as to whether he was maybe on the spectrum, or had been so badly indoctrinated it still affected his life, or he was just the sort of person who was on the defensive all the time.
one thing all these cults have in common is the rule that devotees are not allowed to question anything or use critical thinking skills. Obviously any influences from the “outside” are restricted or heavily monitored. I feel for the kids too, separated from their parents, indoctrinated and brought up by a collection of other people.

I remember seeing the LT documentary and felt the same way about Rathbun. He used to happily beat people up for Miscavige, I think he is a severely damaged human being with a ton of trauma (like most who escape), I tried to find some sympathy for him but it was hard.
 
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