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For those you wondering how people get suckered into their nonsense, similar a lot of new age 'religions' and/or cults. they purposefully go after vulnerable members of society.

Example A: Their most prominent and recruitment tactic is offering free personality tests to people on the street and tell you that you failed the test, you have serious issues etc. The idea that one can 'fail' a personality test is absurd in itself, but I digress. Once they start telling you that you have serious problems, you're more susceptible to falling for their recruitment pitch. Basic human understanding would suggest that if you're someone who would interested in doing a personality test with a stranger on the street in the first place, you're likely to be someone who is curious about yourself and/or searching for meaning in your life. And this is where the scientologists swoop in, to offer you all the answers to life - at an ever increasing price.

Example B: Scientology actually started as an alternative to psychiatry and the church has a very strong opposition to psychiatry and psychology, they love going out of their way to link psychiatry as an evil practice linked to Nazis (yes, really). They actively encourage people who have mental health conditions to stop taking their medicines, stop attending tradition therapy and so on. This one is particularly abhorrent tbh, because they will actively prey on mentally unwell people as they are extremely easy to indoctrinate and manipulate. There's been many suicides of people struggling with bipolar disorder, schizophrenia etc because they were driven to it by this cruel cult.

Example C: Similar to the point above, Scientologists actively seek out people in the midst of addictions through Narcanon (a 'treatment' programme for addictions). Again, if you are in the midst of an addiction, you are extremely vulnerable. Narcanon is not an accredited programme, it's just another load of quackery that has disastrous results. It also costs a bomb, which all goes back to Scientology. They pretend it's not a scientologist programme, but that's a lie.
 
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I used to go to secondary school with a kid who’s parents were in Scientology.

Last I heard, they had moved to East Grinstead.
 
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For those you wondering how people get suckered into their nonsense, similar a lot of new age 'religions' and/or cults. they purposefully go after vulnerable members of society.

Example A: Their most prominent and recruitment tactic is offering free personality tests to people on the street and tell you that you failed the test, you have serious issues etc. The idea that one can 'fail' a personality test is absurd in itself, but I digress. Once they start telling you that you have serious problems, you're more susceptible to falling for their recruitment pitch. Basic human understanding would suggest that if you're someone who would interested in doing a personality test with a stranger on the street in the first place, you're likely to be someone who is curious about yourself and/or searching for meaning in your life. And this is where the scientologists swoop in, to offer you all the answers to life - at an ever increasing price.

Example B: Scientology actually started as an alternative to psychiatry and the church has a very strong opposition to psychiatry and psychology, they love going out of their way to link psychiatry as an evil practice linked to Nazis (yes, really). They actively encourage people who have mental health conditions to stop taking their medicines, stop attending tradition therapy and so on. This one is particularly abhorrent tbh, because they will actively prey on mentally unwell people as they are extremely easy to indoctrinate and manipulate. There's been many suicides of people struggling with bipolar disorder, schizophrenia etc because they were driven to it by this cruel cult.

Example C: Similar to the point above, Scientologists actively seek out people in the midst of addictions through Narcanon (a 'treatment' programme for addictions). Again, if you are in the midst of an addiction, you are extremely vulnerable. Narcanon is not an accredited programme, it's just another load of quackery that has disastrous results. It also costs a bomb, which all goes back to Scientology. They pretend it's not a scientologist programme, but that's a lie.
I know of someone who got hooked in from being offered a "free" personality test ... the recruiters had set up in an open-air mall and seemed really lovely - friendly, ordinary people. From there, the questionnaire left more questions than answers so they went along to an information evening which then led to making a donation for all of these people's help up to that point, and to enroll in a program where they could find out more about what makes them tick. Long story short, the courses were never-ending, as were the requests for donations and before they knew it they were taking out loans just to pay for everything. They were encouraged to drop their friends as they weren't enlightened beings (or whatever the heck they refer to normal people as), their family, even their job. They found it very hard to escape from it and it just about ruined their life. This person is an intelligent, normal person.
 
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Just found this thread. I’m fascinated by these wierdos. Is Miscavich’s niece book pro or against this cult? His poor wife, imagine being held prisoner like that
Against. Very much so. It’s a really sad harrowing but interesting read. I’m fascinated too. I just can’t get my head round it tbh.
 
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I've seen all the documentaries, I think I'm kind of fascinated by it... not because I think it's good in any way, more that I'm stunned so many people are taken in by it. I'm not talking about the SeaOrg so much, because they're often born into it and don't know anything else, more the celebrities (e.g. John Travolta, Kirstie Alley) that live in the outside world and yet still can't see through Scientology.

I just find it baffling that so many celebrities have donated millions to the Church of Scientology over the years. Even Leah Remini said that when she read the stuff about Xenu and little beings she was like "wtf?" and she was well doctrinated at that point. I find her insight fascinating, given that she spent so many years in that 'religion'.

I always found it weird how Tommy Davis just vanished. He was their main spokesperson for years and then suddenly wasn't. I remember watching his shouting match with a BBC documentary maker and being totally shocked. :D

I think Shelley Miscavige is in their mountain base (I forget the name of it) probably transcribing L Ron Hubbard's words onto gold ingots. I'm pretty sure Leah Remini or Mike Rinder said that David Miscavige wants to write all the text on metal bars and then bury them deep in a vault so Hubbard's words can survive even a nuclear holocaust. She either wanted to leave or she peed him off (not hard to do) and this is her penance. She must be okay though because the Police investigated her welfare and said there was no crime. I assume she's so brainwashed she'd tell anyone she's there completely voluntarily.

I guess when you're in that situation it's tough to see a life outside. Leah and many others would help her, but the idea of a life outside Scientology would probably scare her. Plus she'd be convinced David would get to her anyway and she would never want to incur his wrath. It's all so creepy.
 
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I have no idea how it hasn't been shut down by now, but I suppose they have people in powerful places. Leah Remini is so brave for exposing them. Nothing more than a cult.

L Ron Hubbard was a paranoid schizophrenic which is why he is so anti-psychiatry because of his delusions. I am sure David Miscavige would be a diagnosed psychopath if he was ever assessed.
 
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This is what I posted yesterday in the Secret Celeb Gossip thread, which led he to here. I take it East Grinstead is their base here in the UK, then? They really are everywhere, aren't they? 😳

For some reason scientology, and weird cults in general, fascinates me. I lived in the former East Germany from 99-2001 and as a freelance TEFL teacher, the contracts I had to sign always had a clause that stipulated that 'I was not and had never been a follower of L.Ron Hubbard.' I found that bizarre at first but was told that after the wall came down Scientology, and various other cults, swarmed in and tried to fill the vacuum left by Communism. Anyone with any links to them was not allowed to be in any position of authority. They also owned loads of bars, cafes and hostels in the city but it was never made known, you just knew which ones to avoid through word of mouth. Creepy.
 
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This is what I posted yesterday in the Secret Celeb Gossip thread, which led he to here. I take it East Grinstead is their base here in the UK, then? They really are everywhere, aren't they? 😳
Yeah Hubbard owned a mansion there which is still owned by Scientology today and acts as its UK headquarters.

There's also a museum there.
 
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I know of someone who got hooked in from being offered a "free" personality test ... the recruiters had set up in an open-air mall and seemed really lovely - friendly, ordinary people. From there, the questionnaire left more questions than answers so they went along to an information evening which then led to making a donation for all of these people's help up to that point, and to enroll in a program where they could find out more about what makes them tick. Long story short, the courses were never-ending, as were the requests for donations and before they knew it they were taking out loans just to pay for everything. They were encouraged to drop their friends as they weren't enlightened beings (or whatever the heck they refer to normal people as), their family, even their job. They found it very hard to escape from it and it just about ruined their life. This person is an intelligent, normal person.
Ugh yes, the good old disconnection policy where you must cut off contact from so-called 'Suppressive Persons' (friends and family members who are skeptical of the Church's teachings). Breaking up families is disgusting, and Scientology do it consistently.

I am in no doubt that this person was intelligent and normal. They were a victim of the horrific manipulation and exploitive tactics of Scientology. Often when I'm speaking to people who lost someone to scientology, there's a feeling of anger and blame.. ie. "how could they be so stupid!?". To this, I find it helpful to compare Scientology to an abusive relationship. Plenty of people find themselves trapped with an abusive partner and they're so broken by said relationship that they justify the abuse they endure. We don't condemn people who are in these relationships and victim blame, we offer support and help. (I'm not saying that this was your attitude btw! I'm just writing this to remind others about how dangerous these cults can be).
 
I’ve read both Leah remi and jenna miscavages books and I can honestly see why it took so long for them to get out. It’s not a case of simply getting up and leaving. It took jenna years and years! Even when she knew things were wrong. And even when she decided to leave things were made so difficult for her. If he has Shelly in the mountains somewhere hidden away she doesn’t stand a chance of getting away from him and it.
 
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I’ve read both Leah remi and jenna miscavages books and I can honestly see why it took so long for them to get out. It’s not a case of simply getting up and leaving. It took jenna years and years! Even when she knew things were wrong. And even when she decided to leave things were made so difficult for her. If he has Shelly in the mountains somewhere hidden away she doesn’t stand a chance of getting away from him and it.
They have a real knack for making the followers feel well and truly trapped - especially if they've cut off contact with former friends and family ... the Scientologists will have them feeling like their way of life is the only option. This is true with other religions also - look up 'Gloriavale' if you want to go down another rabbit hole.

I think we also have to be mindful that there will be 'disinfo agents' operating - speaking out against Scientology but secretly working for them. I can't name anyone who I suspect of doing that; but it's always a possibility.
 
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Has anyone got recommendations of what documentaries to watch and where I can watch Leah Remini's show in the UK please?

I've seen the Louis documentary and own some books on my Kindle including Leah's and Jenna's and I think a few by Marty Rathburn but I haven't read them yet.

I think we also have to be mindful that there will be 'disinfo agents' operating - speaking out against Scientology but secretly working for them. I can't name anyone who I suspect of doing that; but it's always a possibility.
This is an interesting idea - why would they employ people to do that?
 
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Has anyone got recommendations of what documentaries to watch and where I can watch Leah Remini's show in the UK please?

I've seen the Louis documentary and own some books on my Kindle including Leah's and Jenna's and I think a few by Marty Rathburn but I haven't read them yet.


This is an interesting idea - why would they employ people to do that?
Lawrence Wrights book Going Clear and also the film of the same name are excellent, a real definitive look at the cult. I didn’t rate the Louis Theroux one at all, it was a strange concept, I thought. I can’t remember the name but the BBC one that John Sweeney did was also very good/scary as hell!
 
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Lawrence Wrights book Going Clear and also the film of the same name are excellent, a real definitive look at the cult. I didn’t rate the Louis Theroux one at all, it was a strange concept, I thought. I can’t remember the name but the BBC one that John Sweeney did was also very good/scary as hell!
Thank you I'll have a look at these!

Yes Louis' one is a bit odd with the reconstructions, that's all I really remember of it. It's funny, I've always classed myself as a really big Louis fan but have found myself being more critical of him on here!
 
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Has anyone got recommendations of what documentaries to watch and where I can watch Leah Remini's show in the UK please?

I've seen the Louis documentary and own some books on my Kindle including Leah's and Jenna's and I think a few by Marty Rathburn but I haven't read them yet.


This is an interesting idea - why would they employ people to do that?
The Leah Remini series is on Amazon Prime. There are 3 seasons and I'm about halfway through the first one. I had to pay £8.99 (SD) for the first season but figure I've not got much else entertainment to spend my money on right now!
 
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Scientology is nothing more than a glorified money making cult.

Luckily it has been banned in many countries.

No proper religion should have membership fees or require their followers to cough up large sums, in order to be able to 'follow the faith'. Nor would they follow and h

How on earth the likes of Tom Cruise and John Travolta got mixed up with these bunch on loonies really baffles me.

I once had someone try and thrust a Scientology flyer in my face outside the UK HQ in London.

They were told in no uncertain terms to shove the propaganda relating to their cult, somewhere where the sun doesn't shine.
 
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How on earth the likes of Tom Cruise and John Travolta got mixed up with these bunch on loonies really baffles me.
I’d imagine it’s partly that people get involved when they’re relatively unknown and then once they get famous the Church has so much dirt on them that it’s impossible for them to disentangle themselves without risking everything. I did also once read an article somewhere that one of the reasons celebrities like Scientology is that, unlike most religions that say we’re all equal, Scientology teaches very clearly that there are different levels of human achievement and some people are most definitely ‘better’ than others. That (and the ego massage that goes with it) appeals to a lot of celebrities. The ‘celebrity’ experience in Scientology is generally very different from that of ordinary people, someone like Tom Cruise isn’t cleaning toilets and working for nothing, he’s literally treated like a God. So when celebrities cone out in support of Scientology it’s probably part fear, part ego and a big dollop of not really experiencing the worst of the organisation.
 
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I live near Saint Hill, it’s huge and they put on lots of free events like fireworks shows etc which I think are a rouse to get people in. I’ve never been but the temple is impressive from the road side.

You would not know we lived in the Uk hub for it, though there is a rumour that Tom Cruise has a house here.

An associate of my dad told me his dad set up the temple here and was big in the Scientology world. Have no idea how true that was as he started recommended courses to me and I didn’t want to get involved!
 
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Check out Raelism, the other Religion that is based on Aliens.
Wow 😳

"Jamie was introduced to Raëlism by a veteran UK member named Sakina, while she was working as a stripper: "He came to me one night, and simply by the way I connected, and the tender way I made him feel welcome," she says, "he asked me, 'What do you feel about life?'"

The pair started talking meditation and ended up at Raëlian philosophy, with Jamie eventually subscribing to the belief system."

That's certainly an interesting approach to evangelising 🤣

 
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