I see a lot of discussion about SS again with this case, were they even involved? I read the family had historic involvement but I hadn’t seen they were involved during the period of abuse and consequent death of Sara but may have missed this
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Imagine you are Sara.
Terrified of the adults (all of them.)
Scared for your brothers and sisters.
SS turn up and ask you questions.
You are 10 years old.
Would you own up to what you had suffered?
Would you worry that the others might suffer!
You know they will lie because they see what has happened to you and scared it will happen to them
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The school made a referral to SS about the bruises she had shortly before she was pulled out of school so if they weren’t involved the question is why a report from the school of a girl with bruises she can’t explain who then starts wearing a hijab out of nowhere (the school seemed to be aware from what’s been reported it was to hide her/stop further questions) and then is pulled out of school by a family with previous SS history wasn’t enough for SS to get involved at that time.
I don’t know what you mean, I was just asking a question, what does this mean??
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Ah I see, I knew the school had concerns but missed that they had made a referral.
If SS had turned up and questioned Sara would she have told the truth about what she was suffering?
Would she have been too scared in case it made her life worse?
Would she want to protect her siblings?
Sorry Mollywobbles, I was just asking if they were involved, that’s all.
If you’re asking me what I think she would have said to Ss? She would have denied it, denied anything was going on. She would have wanted to protect her dad. A tale as old as time unfortunately
Sara Sharif wore a hijab to hide bruises on her face
Teachers were concerned when the ten-year-old girl gave different accounts of how the injuries were caused, the Old Bailey was told
www.thetimes.com
Mentioned here (amongst other outlets)
Archive link for if the above is paywalled https://archive.ph/6ug7r
Unfortunately nobody knows the answer to this as SS didn’t show up
Just gets worse doesn’t it? No doubt we’ll hear more as the trial goes on, we haven’t heard anything from social worker or SS yet so don’t know what actions, if any, they took. Families with complex dynamics like this are very difficult, the first hint of trouble or anyone “sniffing around” and they whip the kids abroad. I think the whole damm system needs an overhaul, including all the social care and safeguarding legislation.
My son was a nightmare as a toddler,Sorry Mollywobbles, I was just asking if they were involved, that’s all.
If you’re asking me what I think she would have said to Ss? She would have denied it, denied anything was going on. She would have wanted to protect her dad. A tale as old as time unfortunately
I swear we had a season ticket to A&E.
Always covered in bruises from falling of his bike, climbing frame..
Bleeding from the ear when the boy next door hit him with a bike.
Fell off a stool pretending to be Superted and nearly broke his nose.
Stitches.,,oh yeah..lots..
We actually turned up one time and reception greeted him with his Christian name!
And every time he was questioned by a nurse without me being present just in case….
Luckily we had nothing to hide and my son was so proud of his injuries.
I don’t think they every got medical attention for her. They kept taking her out of school, then they moved house. Her worse injuries seemed to be quite recent.
This BBC article does imply SS did something after the report because the teacher mentions another bruise where the stepmum “marched towards” her and said about not jumping to conclusions, presumably a reaction to contact re:the report. I suppose it’s whether we hear more as the case progresses.
Sara Sharif: Teacher saw bruises on face of girl, 10, court hears
Jurors previously heard Sara had been hooded, burned and beaten during more than two years of abuse.
www.bbc.com
Also we’ve not had much update from court the past few days, so general discussions about SS etc have taken over
@Mollywobbles mine were the same, I can laugh about it now but it did get embarrassing at one point! BMX bikes and off road trails…nuff said 
The general rule of thumb is to question children away from adults but they invariably deny what has happened or is happening. Often they want to protect their parent. Sometimes they are scared of the adult whom they don’t know, asking questions and what will happen if they answer honestly. Often their parents or the abuser has warned them in advance of what they will do to them or someone they love if they tell. It’s not uncommon for the abuser to threaten a parent, a sibling, a best friend, a baby sister etc etc if they tell. Sometimes they feel it is their fault. There’s so many variables but what is common is that children internalise bad things and what is at home is safer than the unknown
The general rule of thumb is to question children away from adults but they invariably deny what has happened or is happening. Often they want to protect their parent. Sometimes they are scared of the adult whom they don’t know, asking questions and what will happen if they answer honestly. Often their parents or the abuser has warned them in advance of what they will do to them or someone they love if they tell. It’s not uncommon for the abuser to threaten a parent, a sibling, a best friend, a baby sister etc etc if they tell. Sometimes they feel it is their fault. There’s so many variables but what is common is that children internalise bad things and what is at home is safer than the unknown
Taken from the Sara Sharif trial discussion fb page, its so awful.
This is the latest update of the continuing trial of those accused of the murder of ten-year-old Sara Sharif, in Horsell, Woking, in August 2023.
Court Hears Harrowing Evidence of Sara Sharif’s Injuries
Friday, October 25
At court today, statements from more neighbours of the Sharif family and Sara’s schoolteachers were read out. The court also heard statements from Dr Roland Kouble, a dental surgeon and forensic odontologist, and Mr Niall Martin, a consultant burns surgeon. No witnesses were called.
The first statement was from Brenin Lozeron, the husband of Judith Lozeron who gave evidence yesterday. The Lozerons lived next door to the Sharif family in Hammond Road.
In the statement, Mr Lozeron said he had little interaction with the children and always saw Sara in a hijab. He heard noise from the family in the garden, but “once they were in the house, we didn’t hear a thing”.
Evidence was also read out from Rebecca Daborn, the daughter of Brenin and Judith Lozeron. She described visiting 6 Hammond Road and their children playing together, but Sara wasn’t there. She said she found Beinash “easy to talk to, friendly, open”.
A statement was also read out from Fiona Mellon, whose rear garden is adjacent to the rear garden at 6 Hammond Road.
Ms Mellon described hearing a scream about five days before she spoke to police on August 11. It was around 4.30 or 5pm. She said she “just heard one scream for a couple of seconds that then stopped suddenly”, and that it sounded like a young female voice and different to Sara’s “screechy” sisters.
The neighbour said she it was so out of the ordinary that she wondered if she should call the police but didn’t hear anything further. For the next five or so days, Ms Mellon didn’t see the family at all.
Describing Sara as “spirited and outgoing” she said the last time she saw her was in July wearing her hijab.
Another statement was from Mia Carkett, Ms Mellon’s daughter, who said that Beinash would occasionally apologise to her mother if the children were being noisy. She noted that in the week before Sara’s body was found the family seemed quiet.
Evidence was also read out from Paul Kent, who lived two doors away in Hammond Road and often worked from home. He described the children as sometimes noisy in the garden but said that their mother came out to deal with them and never seemed cross.
He described seeing the light on in their house at 4am the week Sara’s body was found and noted that as odd. He never saw anything that “was out of the ordinary or caused concern”.
Evidence was also provided by Lorraine Townson, a schoolteacher at St Mary’s, who said she once noticed a bruise on her face.
In her statement, Hayley Holden, a teaching assistant at St Mary’s, described how she worked with Sara in year 4 and part of year 5 to help her with her spelling. She said she noticed a mark on Sara when class teacher Helen Simmons mentioned it. Ms Holden said she did not feel overly concerned by Sara, noting there were other pupils she was more concerned about in the class.
Evidence from the odontologist and burns surgeon
In a written statement Dr Roland Kouble, a dental surgeon and forensic odontologist said he had analysed four injuries to Sara’s left forearm, one to her left wrist and one to her inner leg/thigh, concluding they were all probable human bite marks.
Dr Kouble was provided dental impressions of Urfan Sharif, Faisal Malik and Sara’s older brother and excluded all three as being responsible. He also said it was not possible the bites had been self- inflicted.
Dr Kouble said it was difficult to age the bites but said the ones on the arm were older than the one on Sara’s inner leg.
Finally, the court heard a written statement from Niall Martin, consultant burns surgeon, who provided a report on the burn injuries seen on Sara’s body.
These included one burn on each buttock that Mr Martin concluded were likely to have been caused in the same incident. It described it as a single contact burn and that it was at least two weeks old.
His view was that it had been intentionally inflicted and made by a domestic iron posssibly and the iron found in the Sharif house.
Mr Martin also identified several burns on Sara’s feet, likely to have been caused by a scold injury, which were likely to have been exacerbated by Sara soiling herself when restrained. He also mentioned evidence of Sara being bound at the feet, which he said was also likely to have been deliberate.
Mr Martin said none of the burns had received proper medical attention.
He concluded that it was “highly likely that the deceased experienced daily pain and suffering prior
to the death”, including “physical discomfort and psychological suffering”, and that Sara would have “hobbled” and “grimaced” or “winced” if the injuries were touched. Mr Martin also said Sara’s suffering would have been obvious to those interacting with her regularly.
This is the latest update of the continuing trial of those accused of the murder of ten-year-old Sara Sharif, in Horsell, Woking, in August 2023.
Court Hears Harrowing Evidence of Sara Sharif’s Injuries
Friday, October 25
At court today, statements from more neighbours of the Sharif family and Sara’s schoolteachers were read out. The court also heard statements from Dr Roland Kouble, a dental surgeon and forensic odontologist, and Mr Niall Martin, a consultant burns surgeon. No witnesses were called.
The first statement was from Brenin Lozeron, the husband of Judith Lozeron who gave evidence yesterday. The Lozerons lived next door to the Sharif family in Hammond Road.
In the statement, Mr Lozeron said he had little interaction with the children and always saw Sara in a hijab. He heard noise from the family in the garden, but “once they were in the house, we didn’t hear a thing”.
Evidence was also read out from Rebecca Daborn, the daughter of Brenin and Judith Lozeron. She described visiting 6 Hammond Road and their children playing together, but Sara wasn’t there. She said she found Beinash “easy to talk to, friendly, open”.
A statement was also read out from Fiona Mellon, whose rear garden is adjacent to the rear garden at 6 Hammond Road.
Ms Mellon described hearing a scream about five days before she spoke to police on August 11. It was around 4.30 or 5pm. She said she “just heard one scream for a couple of seconds that then stopped suddenly”, and that it sounded like a young female voice and different to Sara’s “screechy” sisters.
The neighbour said she it was so out of the ordinary that she wondered if she should call the police but didn’t hear anything further. For the next five or so days, Ms Mellon didn’t see the family at all.
Describing Sara as “spirited and outgoing” she said the last time she saw her was in July wearing her hijab.
Another statement was from Mia Carkett, Ms Mellon’s daughter, who said that Beinash would occasionally apologise to her mother if the children were being noisy. She noted that in the week before Sara’s body was found the family seemed quiet.
Evidence was also read out from Paul Kent, who lived two doors away in Hammond Road and often worked from home. He described the children as sometimes noisy in the garden but said that their mother came out to deal with them and never seemed cross.
He described seeing the light on in their house at 4am the week Sara’s body was found and noted that as odd. He never saw anything that “was out of the ordinary or caused concern”.
Evidence was also provided by Lorraine Townson, a schoolteacher at St Mary’s, who said she once noticed a bruise on her face.
In her statement, Hayley Holden, a teaching assistant at St Mary’s, described how she worked with Sara in year 4 and part of year 5 to help her with her spelling. She said she noticed a mark on Sara when class teacher Helen Simmons mentioned it. Ms Holden said she did not feel overly concerned by Sara, noting there were other pupils she was more concerned about in the class.
Evidence from the odontologist and burns surgeon
In a written statement Dr Roland Kouble, a dental surgeon and forensic odontologist said he had analysed four injuries to Sara’s left forearm, one to her left wrist and one to her inner leg/thigh, concluding they were all probable human bite marks.
Dr Kouble was provided dental impressions of Urfan Sharif, Faisal Malik and Sara’s older brother and excluded all three as being responsible. He also said it was not possible the bites had been self- inflicted.
Dr Kouble said it was difficult to age the bites but said the ones on the arm were older than the one on Sara’s inner leg.
Finally, the court heard a written statement from Niall Martin, consultant burns surgeon, who provided a report on the burn injuries seen on Sara’s body.
These included one burn on each buttock that Mr Martin concluded were likely to have been caused in the same incident. It described it as a single contact burn and that it was at least two weeks old.
His view was that it had been intentionally inflicted and made by a domestic iron posssibly and the iron found in the Sharif house.
Mr Martin also identified several burns on Sara’s feet, likely to have been caused by a scold injury, which were likely to have been exacerbated by Sara soiling herself when restrained. He also mentioned evidence of Sara being bound at the feet, which he said was also likely to have been deliberate.
Mr Martin said none of the burns had received proper medical attention.
He concluded that it was “highly likely that the deceased experienced daily pain and suffering prior
to the death”, including “physical discomfort and psychological suffering”, and that Sara would have “hobbled” and “grimaced” or “winced” if the injuries were touched. Mr Martin also said Sara’s suffering would have been obvious to those interacting with her regularly.
It just gets worse and worse. That poor, poor child.
It is absolutely VILE and sick, worse than imagined after seeing that update on the fb group!! Scald injuries which I'm assuming means water, worsened by urine when soiling herself 
which makes me question, was she forced to stand for periods? Clear evidence of her being restrained by the feet as well, this case is the worst I've heard of yet, god I can't imagine that poor girls suffering.
which makes me question, was she forced to stand for periods? Clear evidence of her being restrained by the feet as well, this case is the worst I've heard of yet, god I can't imagine that poor girls suffering.
Sara Sharif 'never once smiled' in weeks before she died
On Thursday, Judith Lozeron told jurors the Sharif family had moved next door to her home in Woking, Surrey, in April last year.
metro.co.uk
I feel for the jury having to hear this evidence daily with those monsters within spitting distance.
How do you go back to living your usual life when you've had to witness a case like this? I hope they are going to have access to counselling
How do you go back to living your usual life when you've had to witness a case like this? I hope they are going to have access to counselling
This is interesting. I wonder how they managed to get her brother’s
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We all knew she’d have been in pain, but seeing it there in black and white from an expert makes it so much more real.
I don’t believe anyone is born evil, but those three adults make me question that.
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We all knew she’d have been in pain, but seeing it there in black and white from an expert makes it so much more real.
I don’t believe anyone is born evil, but those three adults make me question that.
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