Sara Sharif case #2

[Lynn’ssnazzycardigan]

I hope at the inevitable serious case review they will recommend statutory reporting requirements for anyone who has evidence a child is being abused, that way people like BB sister could be had up on serious charges. I also hope the jury remember that FM showed the actions of a guilty man- removal of ring doorbell, disposal of his uniform, fleeing with the others and “losing” his phone.

 

[Dinate]

I find it interesting that even when US changed his story and took the blame for the majority of Sara's injuries, he was adamant that he didn't bite Sara, and he denied covering her head with a hood or burning her with the iron. It is also likely that the iron would be used mainly if not exclusively by BB, so it is likely that she was responsible for the burns.

We know that neither he nor Malik were responsible for the bites because they agreed to have their teeth impressions tested whilst BB didn't. And we know from the neighbour's testimony that they frequently heard a woman's raised voice during the day and the cries of children/Sara, so clearly BB was involved in beating Sara even if the more vicious assaults were down to Sharif.

All in all, as others have said, every adult in Sara's life, not only let her down, but also treated her like a punch bag. It's likely that her mother also was violent otherwise why would they have given US custody particularly given his history of violence. The poor girl lived a life of terror and torture from the beginning to the awful end. I really hope that the verdicts and then the sentences reflect that.

 

[Itchy of Itchington]

But he was attending university.
Allegedly

My sister works at a university at a fairly senior level. One huge issue they have with international students at the moment is faked attendance. So of a group of 6 people only one attends and swipes the ID cards of the other 5. The next week another one will do the same. The attendance registration data says 90 students are there but there's only 30 in the room. I'm not saying that happened but it is a known and major issue for students especially international ones some of whom have little to no interest in their course and used it to enter the UK as well as trafficked students who are being made to work illegally rather than partake in their course

Faisal must have been a January start student so would only have done one semester from Jan 23 to end of that academic year (June 23). 91 is still missing roughly 1 in 10 sessions over 18 weeks or fewer

 

[LouBug19]

The social work team have many questions to be answered alongside the judge who had seen the case before, knew all the information but still let me stay with her Dad. Those children shouldn't have been in either of their parents care, there was abuse occuring from an early age. I know they want to keep families together but imagine the life she could've had if she stayed in care. Her brother who they refered to as Z didn't go back to live with them. He had also been abused. She was such a beautiful girl, her whole life to live but those bastards had to rob her off that. This case like all the others before has been truly heartbreaking but when will lessons be learned? If one person had spoken to her and showed her a bit of love she could be alive.

 

[4FoxAche]

I am crying with relief and sadness for poor little Sara. That jury are amazing and got it bang on. I will be saying a prayer for them too tonight.

I really wish Sara had known the love she deserved in life. Hopefully, our prayers and grief for her reach her and give her comfort and peace now.

 

[4FoxAche]

What I meant was that in jury deliberations (according to this author), where there are cases of child abuse and it's murder or manslaughter, the women tend to press for the heavier charge. So in the US, for example, where the barristers can pick the jury, they tend to go for balanced juries or with a preponderance of men where children are the victims, because the women will be harder and want first dgree murder rather than second or third.

I guess the author was basing his statements on the US actually because in the UK the jury don't get interviewed by media and barristers have a lot less direct influence over jury selection. But he was applying it to the trial of Rose West.

Exactly this.

Based on the publicly available evidence:
- She was the only one who refused to give dental impressions to compare with the bites.
- She text her sister all this information about Sara but didn't get her medical attention.
- She was home with Sara when US and FM were not and noises and screams were heard.

At the least she is complicit as fuck. At the most she is an active participant.

Using the defence she’s a victim and had it just as badly as Sara? To me? She's still walking well- now evidence of a spinal fracture and she's still breathing. No she didn't have it anywhere near as badly as Sara.

If I was on that jury, I wouldn't be moved by that defence. US and BB are both utter scum.

 

[MedeaWho]

WTF with biting children in this family?

 

[Lynn’ssnazzycardigan]

Just came here to say I’m so relieved at the verdicts, guilty of murder because that’s what they did. I think it is the best we could have hoped for with the uncle as well, so glad they reached a verdict and convicted him of something. Justice for Sara Well done to the poor jury! Bring on sentencing.

 

[InTheDollsHouse]

Adult female social workers said they found him coercive, he had a long history of domestic violence and violence to children, and Sara was 5.

No concerns that she’d been manipulated to say these things?!

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Shit he had three kids with Olga. Two known to Social Care when Sara was born and one found age 3 wandering on roads and in a shop of different occasions. They all got removed in 2014
One went back to US (presumably the older brother who texted his friend) but then there is another who went into care and didn't return to the family but stayed in care. He or she must be about 6 years older than Sara.

Oh my god! I had no idea there was a third. That must be why it’s often ‘a child’ mentioned, because it’s not the older brother we knew about.

That child will be old enough to have watched this trial. Horrific. Thank goodness they are safe, but there will likely be some deeply felt guilt alongside relief at being safe.
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How on earth can two children have been returned but not a third.

Unless they were older-enough to have already been settled somewhere and perhaps adopted. Or old enough to give own preferences.

 

[lookwhatthecatdraggedin1]

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They should be spending their lives locked up but the fact they’re not getting out until they’re old and lost out on their own lives is enough
Well done to the judge and the jury who had to sit through it all, my heart goes out to them.
Rest in peace now beautiful Sara ‍🩹

 

[HotesTilaire]

BB was concerned about losing her children to SS. It’s much worse than that, they're in a different country and she’s in jail.

 

[WurstHunde]

Surrey County Council have commissioned an in depth review of her death to 'explore the lessons that could be learned'

How many times can agencies fail to protect our most vulnerable children before it's deemed 'too much'. Drives me nuts.

Oh what a surprise . I wonder which “lessons” will be learned this time.

 

[moldwarp]

I feel a lot of distress to think off the final couple of weeks of her life.

Spoiler: Spoiler because grim

Just so, so sad to slowly deteriorate like that, in horrific pain, wounds infected, suppurating, smelling, all while this lively household is going on around you, children, family meals etc. The burns in particular, jeez the pain. And the sheer loneliness to know that your 'parents' who should love you the most are not there for you, in fact are hurting you

You can really hear the contenpt in the judge's voice

 

[ElektraWintour]

Radio 2 just had a phone in about children who are home schooled and whether there needs to be extra checks relating to this case.

There were teachers who phoned in and said they were so concerned over some of the children they were teaching, they were reporting it and nothing seemed to be happening. I can’t imagine how stressful it must be to be a teacher these days, I know you could not pay me enough to do it.

I’m off to see my daughters nativity this afternoon and it’s so upsetting to think any of those children could be suffering such a home life.

 

[InTheDollsHouse]

He'll get huge compensation for this now, we'll pay for his health care, his legal bills and for the compensation he'll be entitled to because he wasn't adequately protected in prison

What good will compensation do him though when he’s in prison for the rest of his life? He may get it, but he can’t use it.

 

[CabalofBolorneaise]

You make such an important point, that the law is slower to catch up than societal expectations. I am never not flabbergasted when I remember that in Scotland, rape in marriage was all fine and dandy until the 1980s, and abortion in Ireland only became legal in 2019. It's just crazy to think these things happened so recently in my own lifetime. But then I rmemeber that women in UK didn't even get the vote until 1928, which is a blink of an eye really. I always try not to take my rights as a woman for granted cos we got them so recently.

On causing or allowing the death of a child, I understand what people are saying about Batool's sister but I really don't see how the law could be widened to people outside the home without sending innocent people to the slammer. I think about Star Hobson's great grandad David who ADORED her and tried so many times to get social services to take Brockhill's abuse seriously, even exposing Frankie on Facebook - it would be dreadful to think that someone like him could be charged just because he wasn't able to go far enough to actually save her life.

I used to live on quite a rough estate and there was one fmaily where you'd hear shouting and kids screaming, one kid was locked outside the flat in the hallway for 2 hours. I wanted to report it but never did cos I was scared to death of the mum's 'borfriend' - he used to come round with his mates and stomp around in the corridor for hours issuing threats, one time he hung off the top frame of my front door like he was going to kick it in. There are loads of reasons why epople don't report stuff and I don't think extending the law to people outside the home would work for that reason.

Also theoretically what was I supposed to do? Go next door grab the kid and physically remove him into my flat? Kidnapping is also a crime.

Star’s grandad wouldn’t have been charged even under a law change because he’d tried, he’d reported it to the appropriate authorities and they didn’t do anything. The same way here the school didn’t do anything wrong, they reported it to the appropriate authorities and yet again, they didn’t do anything. If they’ve tried then the failing is on social services (though the chance of getting anything but “they’re so overworked, it’s not their fault, they’re all perfect angels, lessons will be learnt even though this is the fifth time it’s been the same lesson” there is nigh on zero)

The same way if a parent takes their child for medical attention for an illness and is fobbed off by a GP or A&E or whatever medical professional then the child dies despite the parent following what they were told, they don’t face charges for neglect but if they didn’t take the child for medical attention and ignored it, they well might.

I also think being sent pictures and an ongoing detailed account of abuse is vastly different than hearing shouting through a wall in terms of action that should be taken and culpability. The only way I think we are going to get around cultures of silence and covering up in families is to start prosecuting those who know extreme abuse is happening and do fuck all.

 

[Lizzie Mintdrop]

I generally believe that prison should be rehabilitation and not punishment but I also believe that some crimes deserve punishment.

Any crime that involves child abuse or rape definitely deserves punishment so I think there should be two categories of prison. This type of prison should be segregated and no TV or books or computer games and they should be forced to work sewing mail bags by hand for 8 hours a day so that it's not a free ride. Other prisoners can be rehabilitated, this type can't

 

[moldwarp]

Very clear from the judge's summing up that Sara's gender made her a target - judge says she was treated worse than her brother because she was a giel

 

[noddyrojjy]

I think US is behind the women biting. It’s so out of the ordinary as a means of abuse because it’s so personal and also so so so easily identified whereas a bruise could have been from anyone. What are the chances he meets two women whom both choose to inflict this very extraordinary method of punishment?? I think it’s them doing it but he has influenced it. It’s just too coincidental and odd to not have come from the common denominator that is US.

 

[Pager1]

Ahhahaha!!! Hes been attacked in prison!! Karma!

Best news to the start of the year, whoever did it deserves a medal.