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Adult female social workers said they found him coercive, he had a long history of domestic violence and violence to children, and Sara was 5.

No concerns that she’d been manipulated to say these things?!

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Oh my god! I had no idea there was a third. That must be why it’s often ‘a child’ mentioned, because it’s not the older brother we knew about.

That child will be old enough to have watched this trial. Horrific. Thank goodness they are safe, but there will likely be some deeply felt guilt alongside relief at being safe.
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How on earth can two children have been returned but not a third.

Unless they were older-enough to have already been settled somewhere and perhaps adopted. Or old enough to give own preferences.
Looking at the time line I'm not sure now if Z is Urfan's or if Olga had a child before she met him . I think this child might be Olga's but a different dad. So when Sara and U went back to their father this child remained in care as Olga apparently not a fit parent and no blood link for living with Urfan. What an absolute disaster of a family to be born into. Poor little kids
 
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crazycakelady

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So pleased with the verdict nah they suffer like they made poor Sara suffer , no news on the uncle yet is there
 
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4FoxAche

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Yeah, obviously there are extenuating circumstances around her and it’s not her fault US is such a cunt.

I guess mostly the idea of a child who, as far as we know, was raised as a practising Muslim and likely had her own beliefs around that being given a Catholic funeral and that seemingly, per PP, being emphasised now as a dig to the father just doesn’t sit right with me.
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I know US wasn’t adherent to his religion, but based on what has been said Sara was. And that’s the part that’s important to me. Not what religion either parent was.
Sara was the only one to wear the hijab and that was forced upon her as a way to cover bruises and injuries etc. It was nothing to do with her religious beliefs.

Olga has been reported to have a learning disability so may not understand that another faith has difderent rituals after death. She buried her child how she thought best.

Also, US asked for a Muslim funeral but this was also prevented by his own behaviour. It couldn't happen as her body was being examined for evidence.
 
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Miscanthus

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Yeah, obviously there are extenuating circumstances around her and it’s not her fault US is such a cunt.

I guess mostly the idea of a child who, as far as we know, was raised as a practising Muslim and likely had her own beliefs around that being given a Catholic funeral and that seemingly, per PP, being emphasised now as a dig to the father just doesn’t sit right with me.
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I know US wasn’t adherent to his religion, but based on what has been said Sara was. And that’s the part that’s important to me. Not what religion either parent was.
I don't believe that Sara had particular religious leanings. It was used by US and BB as a reason why she was wearing the hijab. We all know it was to hide the results of the abuse.
 
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Rushed here. Well done to the jury, that was quick work considering days they didn’t sit and the number of charges and people.
 
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moldwarp

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Sharif's father in Pakistan is coming across like an abuse excuser in an article just published by The Telegraph, who spoke to him in Pakistan:


After the trial began and the evidence was heard, Muhammad said it was a “surprise” to find out how badly she had been abused. Speaking from Jhelum, Pakistan, he told The Telegraph: “I can’t imagine she was as brutally beaten as revealed in the trial findings.”

Muhammad claimed that Sara was “devoutly Islamic” and she “regularly performed her prayers”. He also repeated his son’s claim that Sara faced bullying in school because of her choice to wear a hijab. “It happens in Western societies,” he added.


Also, fuck BB's sister. The Telegraph has published more whatsapp messages. BB was seeking solictors to start divorce proceedings and BB's sister was telling her not to!!!
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I'm coming back here later as I'm out & can't read but trust me when I say I'm fighting back tears for this result.

Well done that jury. God I wish I was there to see their faces.
The jury were regularly in tears throughout the trial
 
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moldwarp

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I think the issue is that on paper, the situation with the father was improving. He had attending domestic and anger management classes, and the stepmother was noted as a positive influence. The mother was very clearly unable to take care of her and gave her consent for Sara to live with the father. I do not think at that point they had the grounds to put her into foster care. As a judge, you see a snapshot of a child's life, and it's up to them to ultimately try and predict whether it's on the right trajectory or if something needs to be changed to ensure it heads there. I think with the information he had, he made a logical choice - just not the right one. But hindsight is 20/20.

The failings came in how she disappeared from the system for the next four years despite referrals from the school. There was no follow up of how she was doing under the father's care. I know I sound like a broken record but the biggest failing came from her time at school, and subsequently being pulled out of school with no consequences.
He had attending domestic and anger management classes,

I know she's not to everyone's taste (I personally like her) but Emma Kenney recently spoke about how she disagrees with domestic violence prevention/anger management classes. She was saying that statistics say they have poor outcomes in terms of DV abusers not committing DV again, and that all they do is teach abusers the right things to say to SS to keep SS off their backs.

I think it's certainly true in a lot of these tragic cases that the perps seem skilled at manipulating SS in a way that you can only achieve if you know exactly what SS is looking for and how they operate.
 
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sevcive

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Let's hope the father and step-mom are battered frequently in prison with no mercy.

I don't think the Muslim pop in prison will take the dad in after hearing about the way the prick tortured that little angel.

The other adults in the family are just as guilty for not stepping in.
 
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I bet BB thought she was going to get away with it the horrible dirty scumbags, glad they’re going to get left to rot. I had a feeling the uncle could have got away with it but I’m glad he’s been found guilty too. Hopefully that beautiful little girl can rest in peace now 🩷
 
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InTheDollsHouse

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They cared less for Sara because she wasn’t BB’s.

Treated differently to her older brother because she was a girl.

Treated as a skivvy from age 6/7, doing washing, tidying the house, caring for youngest brother.
BB would sometimes buy her matching clothes with the twins’, but never showed her kindness.

No evidence of any education at home. Was just for selfish purposes to allow the abuse to continue.

Hijab to hide injuries. Was not Sara’s choice. None of US’ female relatives wear hijab.

US believed it was his right to impost disciplin

Sara was brave, feisty, spirited, stood up to US and his ego was boosted by the power he wielded.

Sara was not badly behaved. Bearings started at 6/7.

No sexual motive.

BB went along with it. Neighbours heard her shouting and swearing.
Messages show she was horrified by US but didn’t do anything to stop it.

Feb ‘22 for advice on protecting the children but went no further.

She was worried she’d lose her children custody if she sought help for Sara. She didn’t care enough for Sara.

Often BB would call US to come and punish Sara. Knowing he would beat Sara.

Evidence of BB actively participating toward the end.

US banned BB family from birth of youngest, and he refused to go himself, but BB could have stood up to him.

US punished Sara for vomiting and soiling herself. BB would call him home when Sara soiled herself, knowing he would beat her.

FM would have known what was happening. Uni term finished in May then he was home apart from 20 hrs/week working and a few hours hanging around a park.

BBQ video shows bruising and marks on Sara’s neck. FM was there.

Many assaults in last few weeks of Sara’s life.

Other children witnessed beatings 💔 At the very least they would have heard her screams.

Older brother’s behaviour toward Sara was influenced by how US treated her.

71 separate fresh injuries caused in few days before death.

25 separate fractures including 11 to spinal column.

Many older injuries evident, plus more that had healed without leaving visible marks.

Many injuries worse than in car accidents.

No doubt that beating with objects was regular, not just once.

Some injuries need mention.
Fracture to hyoid in neck. Vigorous strangulation.

Iron burns needed two people to carry out. Sure this was US and BB. At least two weeks but likely 2-6 weeks before death - incredibly painful.

Open burns on bones inside each ankle - either secured to a hot pipe or - more likely - boiling water poured on her.

6 bites made by adult. The fact BB was prepared to assault Sara in that way show that she was complicit and willing to cause that harm.

Sara tied up and hooded with plastic bags secured with masking tape in weeks before her death. Hard to imagine how terrifying this was for Sara.

“It gets worse”
Police found soiled nappy with Sara’s leggings because she was unable to go to the toilet when tied up.
Ankle injuries worse because soiled. Also so tight and ankles in contact with her bottom.
Sara was tied up when US was out and BB and FM were home. BB and US jointly responsible but idea was US.

Sara was underweight and under nourished.
Death cause my combination of injuries. TBI may have been last straw but is not the sole reason.
Burns caused with help of BB directly contributed.

Decline in few days before she died.
BB phoned US as she could see Sara was unwell. US stopped to buy vapes. Then beat Sara vigorously on her abdomen as punishment for pretending to be ill. Minutes later Sara died.

FM was in the house.

The three took steps to flee. Within less than an hour of her death they were booking flights. BB made the phone call and was calm. US heard urging her to book an earlier flight. Other children heard playing in background.

Steps to cover up. Washed her body and put her in clean clothes. Pole hidden, soiled clothes in bin. Part of FM uniform soaking wet.

Some evidence to suggest pressure washer was used to clean Sara but cannot be certain of this.


Withdrew cash on way to airport. No care about taking their other children and have not assisted their children’s return to UK. Twins being deprived of specialist education arranged for them in UK.

‘Legally punished’ was attempt to minimise what he had done.

Deliberately suggested he was in UK on 999 call.

BB referred to ‘incident’ in video then complained about the pressure the Pakistani police were putting on US family.

Only returned to UK because US family told them to.
 
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rannyrart

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Haven’t posted on here but I’ve been dipping in and out. My heart breaks for little Sara, it’s so sad she had no one in life to care and protect for her. I will always keep her in my thoughts and prayers and hope she has found some peace in her afterlife. I can’t help but feel her diary entries were rather more like fantasies of how she wished her life was. It’s heartbreaking and it’s so difficult to comprehend, Sara was such a brave and beautiful little girl, RIP little angel.
 
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HotesTilaire

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I wouldn’t be surprised if Sara had been baptised as a baby by Olga anyway.

To put it bluntly, it comes down to mad or bad. Olga wasn’t bad, she was she wasn’t able to cope, to be fair with 3 kids in a foreign country, probably little support, having been in an abusive relationship and potentiality learning disabilities it’s not a surprise. Meanwhile these two arseholes were quite capable of caring appropriately for children and chose to torture Sara.
 
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moldwarp

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Cases like these always baffle me as I’d say I’ve read more hatred and blame towards the school and social services(not on here, more social media’s), yet not much towards the people who actually killed her?
Yeah I know. I've wondered about this too. Like with Arthur Labinjo-Hughes, I read more hatred against the hairdresser than against Tustin.

I think it might be something to do with how we as humans regard the nature of evil. Like the killers themselves are so beyond the pale that they almost can't be judged by the same standards as 'normal' people because the very fact of their evilness has somehow put them outside of the human race (or sub the human race as in subhuman). Whereas the hairdresser and Qandeela, they are closer to ordinary humans like you and me and so we judge them by our own standards.

Honestly just spitballing but I think it might be something like that? This is why I love Tattle, where else can you get a respectful debate on ethical philosophy on a Thursday afternoon lol
 
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GlitterFluff

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71 separate, fresh injuries caused in the days leading up to her death.

SEVENTY ONE. 25 of which were fractures.
 
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