Sali Hughes #6 Eric's at the cat flap, hide your side of beef with a shower cap!

[Originalnuttah]

Lurker here, SH speaks like she knows it all, but do your research and both needles and guns are ok depending on which part of the ear they are used on.

Have had a fair share myself, and counting ...( read, I’m a COOL person, obvs). What is far more important is how piercings are nursed into healing, and is what most people fail at; a bit of commitment is required in the weeks after the piercing is done. Some people have genuine metal allergies which have nothing to do with how the piercing was done. Most of my ear piercings have been done with a gun and have been painless and healed absolutely fine. Only my upper cartilage piercings have been done with a needle. I’ve used the same tattoo artist for most of my piercings. Easy Piercing solutions are amazing, word!

....scuttles back to her skidmark cave.

 

[cleaningupthecrap]

This is my problem with SH. She writes opinion pieces, but if anyone tries to open up a discussion with an alternative view she closes down the conversation in a really aggressively defensive fashion.

I get that she is busy, and she shares a lot of content with the general public (although not quite for free as I thought she generously did), but if she can't reply, in a civil fashion, why not just close comments on instagram / just ignore / grit her teeth and like the comment.
She was really snippy with me when I actually said something along the lines of "great article, but I don't see the harm in x because y" .

Then when I realised that she was having botox, treatment for her melasma patches, etc.... that were "press discounts" / undeclared / freebies I felt duped. All the #nofilter pictures post facial are unattainable for me because I am not having my melasma treated / botox / whatever else she has that we don't know about.

 

[Ivegotatheory]

I’ve got nine gun piercings and one needle piercing, the gun piercings all healed perfectly without a hitch, the needle piercing got infected!

 

[Originalnuttah]

It’s aggressive and so not on anymore. SH has highjacked the Gordon Ramsey- circa 2007 attitude about any topic she chooses to talk about or the manner in the way she addresses anyone not quite agreeing with with her. The over-use of the ‘loathe’ word in her columns is remarkable. How aggravating can seemingly light-hearted beauty topics be? A lot apparently. It all feeds into her beauty message- that if you don’t do what you are told to do in very firm manner, you are not doing it right. Mind boggles!

 

[melfish]

I've noticed the liberal use of the word "loathe" too. It jumps out, because it's so OTT in the context of beauty

 

[DCICassieStuart]

Yo, Skidsters!


Can I make a plea for the next thread title already? How about "Ex GTLers and SHBers: All Welcome"?

Excellent title
I can only imagine how many of us are already here.

I have the (mis) fortune of being both a GTLer AND an SHBer.

I mean you'd think I'd have learned from the first one

 

[Jelly Bean]

It’s aggressive and so not on anymore. SH has highjacked the Gordon Ramsey- circa 2007 attitude about any topic she chooses to talk about or the manner in the way she addresses anyone not quite agreeing with with her. The over-use of the ‘loathe’ word in her columns is remarkable. How aggravating can seemingly light-hearted beauty topics be? A lot apparently. It all feeds into her beauty message- that if you don’t do what you are told to do in very firm manner, you are not doing it right. Mind boggles!

Such a good point. Constant use of words like 'loathe' really does imply a right/wrong attitude closing down any nuance or discussion.
SH is quite old school I agree. I think her whole approach to beauty is now is a bit old hat. There simply has got to be a fresh approach to it all rather than buy something, usually expensive. I don't know the answer tbh. But I feel something is missing, an opportunity being missed. Even VB trundling up with her range is just more of the same. I was looking at some old cookbooks of mine recently including dear old Keith Floyd and omg the recipes were so difficult - half a teaspoon of this, 2 ounces of that and it made cooking seem so hard and scientific and off-putting and expensive. Then came along someone like Jamie Oliver who really was revolutionary for me at least as a timid cook. He made cooking accessible and fun.
Anyway I see SH as the old guard now, Fanny Craddock. Beauty doesn't seem much fun. Especially with the normalising of Botox which I just see as so sad. Not empowering at all but sad. As I said I don't have the answer.

 

[GTL Old-Timer]

No. It’s something more personal. If I give any details, I will give away my identity.

I’d have thought it’s because she’s finally done a slightly more engaging column with practical advice rather than a list of products that cost the same or more than a new high street dress.

 

[YellowCar]

Different people, but both alleged paedophiles; Ginsberg just preferred underage boys. This from Wikipedia (which is obvs to taken with a pinch of salt, but the words are his own):


Association with NAMBLA[edit]
Ginsberg was a supporter and member of the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA), a pedophilia and pederasty advocacy organization in the United States that works to abolish age of consent laws and legalize sexual relations between adults and children.[97] In "Thoughts on NAMBLA", a 1994 essay published in the collection Deliberate Prose, Ginsberg stated, "NAMBLA's a forum for reform of those laws on youthful sexuality which members deem oppressive, a discussion society not a sex club. I joined NAMBLA in defense of free speech."[98] In 1994, Ginsberg appeared in a documentary on NAMBLA called Chicken Hawk: Men Who Love Boys (playing on the gay male slang term "Chickenhawk"), in which he read a "graphic ode to youth".[97]
In her 2001 book, Heartbreak, Andrea Dworkin described her sense of Ginsberg's position:

bleeping hell an actual organisation for public declaration of sex with kids??? And also, duck me, child pornography was only made illegal in 1982??? Jesus.

 

[Handmaid]

“I never read the comments” = “ I pay Lauren to trawl the comments for any sign of insurgence, cross reference against Tattle.life/Twitter/LinkedIn, file their names/aliases in our ever fattening folder #kindlygifted from Liberty’s stationery dep’t #pressgift and then we wait for the day that these women who have publicly questioned me...well...we...just...wait...

...and the Liberty clothbound folder sits on the windowsill, its floral print (edgy yet twee) fading in the diminishing sunlight of my career...”

 

[Tesla's Ghost]

My mind automatically goes to Madonna saying: I absolutely loathe hydrangeas.

Beauty bloggers, youtubers and other iterations of influencers actually swatch products, give dupes, provide much more detailed and purposeful reviews, even if it is #kindlygifted or #sposored. You can see the actual product applied, as opposed to an odd stream of conscience through memory lane, even though there is a place for this, or some random subject she barely scratches the surface. If she wants interesting topics dealing with beauty, she has enough material in her tattle folder, but she'd lose out on sponsorships and would kindly be gifted the bird. What is the difference between Korean products and the new VB line in terms of the skip? You wouldn't throw away VB's eye shadow palette lightly because you have payed a lot of money for it. But, honestly we all have 90% of the colours she came up with, so from the start it's skip material.

She takes the easy way out by saying that a woman can be a feminist and wear make up, true, no arguing from me, however it's not about concealing dark circles or pimples, expressing yourself creatively or putting make up just for the fun of it, but about the constant increasing expectations of what we should look like, who should we aspire to be, all the while creating a rift between women.

Her most significant work are the deleted tweets where she's anything but "a girl's girl", her answers to her followers, evasive maneuvers with hashtags and downplaying her botox dilution (give me the ccs!), nonchalantly categorizing something atrocious as "dodgy politics", basically contradicting herself every chance she gets.

OK, this was too long, I'll stop.

 

[Kermy5]

Brilliant. You have articulated so well what is rotten in the house of SH and influencers generally. Actually made me quite sad. We have all been there. All tried to have that sassy girl around town look at vast expense - because that was so normalised. We all bought into the myth that spending money on unsuitable things is empowering. And the next thing. Then the next must have thing. In the light of this debacle I've been reading my copy of Pretty Honest (lent not purchased) and it has not aged well in a few years. Ironic eh? It's just about chucking money at beauty tit as a form of empowerment. I wear makeup and know I probably look better in it but do you know what I actually just don't care that much any more. A Chanel red lippy to be pulled out of my clutch in a restaurant will never ever make me feel better than the knowledge I am the age I am. I may look it. I may not. I am healthy and happy. I'm cross with people like SH for insinuating this wasn't good enough.
Thanks again for that brilliant post which unleashed that rant!

I've just become exhausted at how this tit is never targeted at men. Men can leave the house as they are, they can get wrinkles and it's fine, they don't even have to shave, summer comes and they chuck on shorts and go out while we're supposed to shave and deal with ingrown hairs and rashes and God forbid we don't get a fake tan too. Every ad is telling women we can't age, we must fix ourselves constantly because we aren't good enough as we are. The whole industry can cock off to be honest.

 

[Handmaid]

I've just become exhausted at how this tit is never targeted at men. Men can leave the house as they are, they can get wrinkles and it's fine, they don't even have to shave, summer comes and they chuck on shorts and go out while we're supposed to shave and deal with ingrown hairs and rashes and God forbid we don't get a fake tan too. Every ad is telling women we can't age, we must fix ourselves constantly because we aren't good enough as we are. The whole industry can cock off to be honest.

’Cock off’

 

[sineadf]

I agree. I have been told I'm "brave" for not applying fake tan and baring my arms and lower legs in the summer. Wtf? I'm not without vanity. But I have perfectly okay looking arms and legs. They are pale because I'm fair-skinned and Irish and that's fine. I don't want to expose them to the sun because I'll burn and I couldn't be arsed trowelling a load of expensive product on which would look unnatural and weird on me anyway. Fake tanning has been a thing for a long time now but it's got really out of hand recently - like some kind of compulsory step you have to take before you leave the house. A friend said recently she was relieved it was autumn because she "didn't have to fake tan" and I thought, why do it at all?

 

[GTL Old-Timer]

Fake tanning has been a thing for a long time now but it's got really out of hand recently - like some kind of compulsory step you have to take before you leave the house

Exactly. When even the great SallY Hughes is fake tanning, you know there’s a problem!!

 

[J4n0Z]

Afternoon skiddies.

I have never fake tanned in my life and I'm not gonna start now! I believe the phrase is pale and interesting?

 

[rosemarina]

I've just become exhausted at how this tit is never targeted at men. Men can leave the house as they are, they can get wrinkles and it's fine, they don't even have to shave, summer comes and they chuck on shorts and go out while we're supposed to shave and deal with ingrown hairs and rashes and God forbid we don't get a fake tan too. Every ad is telling women we can't age, we must fix ourselves constantly because we aren't good enough as we are. The whole industry can cock off to be honest.

Abso-bleeping-lutely!

 

[Adverse Camber]

I've just become exhausted at how this tit is never targeted at men. Men can leave the house as they are, they can get wrinkles and it's fine, they don't even have to shave, summer comes and they chuck on shorts and go out while we're supposed to shave and deal with ingrown hairs and rashes and God forbid we don't get a fake tan too. Every ad is telling women we can't age, we must fix ourselves constantly because we aren't good enough as we are. The whole industry can cock off to be honest.

This is so absolutely true, and on a more humorous note, reminded me of the excellent manwhohasitall on Twitter.

 

[Kermy5]

This is so absolutely true, and on a more humorous note, reminded me of the excellent manwhohasitall on Twitter.

I LOVE THAT PAGE

 

[PoleStar]

Loathe really is a strong word isn't it!? I'd say I loathe murderers, rapists or child abductors, not a flaming piercing gun! How over the top. I had my ears pierced with a gun at a local independent jewellers when I was 16. I followed their advice and bathed the piercings with warm salt water twice a day for 6 weeks and they healed perfectly with no problems whatsoever. That was 35 years ago and I've never experienced any issues. My niece, however, had hers done with a gun at Claire's when she was 7 and had endless problems, eventually having to give up and let the holes heal over. I think the issues she had were caused by being too young to understand not to fiddle with the studs, having to cover them with plasters during PE (which must have pulled at the studs when removing the plasters) and not being hygienic enough with them in general. Personally I think it's better to leave piercings until a child is old enough to fully understand how to care for them, but each to their own. I don't think it has anything to do with which method was used to create the piercing.