Sali Hughes #43 Where's Wali? She's a lot of a wally a lot of the time

Gold_7 · Dec 22, 2021

I don't think I have ever deliberately listened to a Smiths song - I actually have 0 in common with Sali I think, in terms of taste in clothes, music etc. Even values - I don't think there is inherent value in the beauty industry. It's nice but important? Not really- it exists due to the insecurities of human beings, perpetuated by the industry itself. I don't think that's worthy, I think it's a bit of a scam.

I think she just represents a type of extremely thin-skinned influencer, desperate to prove something to themselves, but doing so in front of the world due to social media. It's curious to me.

Maudlin, moi?

Mselvista · Dec 22, 2021

anais750185 said:
Any genuine psychologist would have been more interested in why Sali was so over engaged in this (I'd say her overweening narcissism and crippling insecurity which make a very toxic combination) rather than analysing our posts and ascribing personality types to us so I don't buy this for a second. Unless she consulted the resident psychologist at Grazia or Cosmo or whatever who would have had to give their services for free and would have told her whatever they thought she wanted to hear.

Interesting to hear your perspective @anais750185 , I'm very much a layperson here.

Presented without comment.

mindlessness · Dec 22, 2021

Oh I hadn't seen Sali refer to this as a sewer before! What a laugh.

Dr Short herself, who publishes academic research on revenge porn and online stalking,* has almost certainly encountered in her work the real cesspits of the internet.

*I googled her, and her profile on her employer's website appeared. Was not 'deep research'.

Mselvista · Dec 22, 2021

As I've said I'm a layperson re all of this but SH's reply to this psychologist she's spent some time with discussing this site suggests to me that SH hasn't benefited from the experience as much as she might think. Sorry to repeat myself but all power to SH if it helps her to get on with her life to think of it that way. But it and her comments about seeing comments/behaviour here as basic/textbook as well her comment in her interview promoting the R4 that us commenting here "had caused my family to keep this big thing from me". Nope. I'm not responsible for your husband's decisions, Sali

crossword said:
I had completely forgotten about Being Boring. Thanks for reminding me @Aude (and Sali I guess).

See we can do nuance and complexity! Can we be public intellectuals too, Mr Baddiel?

karenina · Dec 22, 2021

I like being boring too. A bit less so when I imagine it accompanied by memories of Wali at the Gap folding jeans with Jimmy "selfpromoting" and the gang.

Morrissey - I will love forever. Sorry!

NotDumbNotBlonde · Dec 22, 2021

If you don't want to shell out for (and clean and descale) a humidifier, you could try putting a shallow bowl of water next to the radiator in your bedroom and the room where you spend most time. Adding a drop of a favourite essential oil might make it pleasing, nay cheering (unless you have cats or dogs who might try and drink from it - my cat used to drink from my bedside water glass, I would wake in the night to hear lapping - I now take the whole lidded Brita jug up to bed with me).

Jade Mitzi · Dec 22, 2021

Jelly Bean said:
She has gone quiet on the old IG hasn't she? No selling videos since early Nov.
And no toilet selfies.
I suspect it is to do with the Baddiel thing. No idea why.

she is likely still in character following her role in the Baddiel dramatisation. If anyone has a look at her socials it would be slightly off the - poor wee Sali - message to have the usual shillathon in place. Instead a well chose ‘Im a good person’ charity post.

Aude · Dec 22, 2021

Gold_7 said:
I don't think I have ever deliberately listened to a Smiths song - I actually have 0 in common with Sali I think, in terms of taste in clothes, music etc. Even values - I don't think there is inherent value in the beauty industry. It's nice but important? Not really- it exists due to the insecurities of human beings, perpetuated by the industry itself. I don't think that's worthy, I think it's a bit of a scam.

I think she just represents a type of extremely thin-skinned influencer, desperate to prove something to themselves, but doing so in front of the world due to social media. It's curious to me.

Maudlin, moi?

In fact I have quite a lot in common, including a lifelong obsession with beauty and fashion and magazines. One of my earliest memories - poring over copies of Vogue in the public library - is very Sali-esque.

Gold_7 · Dec 22, 2021

mindlessness said:
Oh I hadn't seen Sali refer to this as a sewer before! What a laugh.

Dr Short herself, who publishes academic research on revenge porn and online stalking,* has almost certainly encountered in her work the real cesspits of the internet.

*I googled her, and her profile on her employer's website appeared. Was not 'deep research'.

The sewer? That’s a bit rude.

How is discussion on here (this thread particularly) different from publicly critiquing someone on Twitter?

Simplemind · Dec 22, 2021

anais750185 said:
I need to ask for a recommendation ladies! I went to get Botox in my forehead tonight (nothing but the weakest of weakest of dilutes for my beefy little face and in case you're wondering I PAID for every single fucking penny with my hard earned cash). Anyway I've always had quite oily skin but the woman who did the botox said it's quite dry on my cheeks and forehead (apparently this happens when you're perimenopausal but NOT THERE YET). She tried to sell me a super overpriced moisturiser but declined (as I'd spent all my money on botox) - is there any good, cheap, moisturiser you'd recommend that I can get in either Boots or Superdrug? Any recommendations gratefully taken!

Haven't had time to comment for ages but on the subject of her consulting a psychologist about our profiles - I've got a masters in Psychology and, even though I don't work in this area, I have a lot of friends who do and I call total bullshit on it. Any genuine psychologist would have been more interested in why Sali was so over engaged in this (I'd say her overweening narcissism and crippling insecurity which make a very toxic combination) rather than analysing our posts and ascribing personality types to us so I don't buy this for a second. Unless she consulted the resident psychologist at Grazia or Cosmo or whatever who would have had to give their services for free and would have told her whatever they thought she wanted to hear.

I recently had an allergic reaction and the skin on my face has become sensitised and reacts to things I’ve always used. I bought moisture surge and toleraine but the thing that’s worked best is Aveeno daily moisturising body lotion - totally calmed my face. I use it at night as no good under make-up and lipikar baume in the morning.

HotesTilaire · Dec 22, 2021

Gold_7 said:
The sewer? That’s a bit rude.

How is discussion on here (this thread particularly) different from publicly critiquing someone on Twitter?

It’s harder to find

SqualorVictoria · Dec 22, 2021

Aude said:
I was also struck by another slight variation in her backstory. She talks about meeting a famous-ish make-up artists, fawning over her and saying she's looking for work. The make-up artist says my current assistant is leaving do you want the job? Whereas in the original version, the make-up artist says ''Do you want to be my assistant? My current assistant is really annoying'. So, similar to how the story of how she got the Guardian column now starts with the previous columnist leaving rather than with SH tweeting that the column 'is a scandal'.

It's not the first time Sali has given different variations on a certain story- for instance, I've heard multiple stories on how she met her husband. She once claimed they had started chatting on Twitter because of mutual friends and it took off from there. Another story was that she met him in the Diptyque section of Liberty before a writers event. And another one again was that they met at a writers event and he hugged her and was able to identify that she was wearing Philosykos as he frequently goes into perfume counters before meetings and recognised it. And of course he happened to also be wearing a Diptyque himself

zcfthc5 · Dec 22, 2021

The “textbook” thing is kinda interesting because it could reflect that she doesn’t see herself ever as being as simplistic as fitting into a classic case study - complex female lead character mindset?

I think she’s interesting kinda because she is on the boundaries of social categories of media/work. Which may seem more boring to some than the extreme examples like Katie Price, or more interesting in the nuances and contradictions. She has said that she follows the Kardashians for pop / social media culture microcosm, and now I no longer follow her for the beauty recs I follow her for the same reason. It’s just a different microcosm

SqualorVictoria · Dec 22, 2021

Didn't she once claim to not know who the Kardashians were? And recently enough, within the last year or so!

Mselvista · Dec 22, 2021

SqualorVictoria said:
It's not the first time Sali has given different variations on a certain story- for instance, I've heard multiple stories on how she met her husband. She once claimed they had started chatting on Twitter because of mutual friends and it took off from there. Another story was that she met him in the Diptyque section of Liberty before a writers event. And another one again was that they met at a writers event and he hugged her and was able to identify that she was wearing Philosykos as he frequently goes into perfume counters before meetings and recognised it. And of course he happened to also be wearing a Diptyque himself

I think the different versions don't necessarily contradict each other. They met at some twitter gathering or at some comedy thing where there were others present while SH was still married and Daniel also was in a relationship at the time. At some point they met up or bumped into each other (possibly at Liberty's Diptique counter ) when they were now both single. Daniel sniffed the air like a dappled deer and said what must have been the equivalent of "open sesame" to Sali's ears - A woman who wears Philosykos has a future...

Liberty perfume hall meet cute here

A Life in Scent: Sali Hughes | Liberty

The esteemed beauty journalist on the scents that make her

www.libertylondon.com

She was wearing Philosykos which she didn't normally, just happened to be wearing her signature scent of some 10 years that day

SqualorVictoria · Dec 22, 2021

'I never normally wear that perfume'. Pull the other one, you've only written about it loads over the years and even complained that so many readers had taken to wearing it because you had written about it so much.

It was mentioned in both Pretty Honest and Pretty Iconic

rosemarina · Dec 22, 2021

zcfthc5 said:
complex female lead character mindset?

I love this.

Aude · Dec 22, 2021

SqualorVictoria said:
It's not the first time Sali has given different variations on a certain story- for instance, I've heard multiple stories on how she met her husband. She once claimed they had started chatting on Twitter because of mutual friends and it took off from there. Another story was that she met him in the Diptyque section of Liberty before a writers event. And another one again was that they met at a writers event and he hugged her and was able to identify that she was wearing Philosykos as he frequently goes into perfume before meetings and recognised it. And of course he happened to also be wearing a Diptyque himself

The thing that interests me about the variations is that - just as she dials up (hugely) the meanness etc here - she dials down any suggestion of meanness in her own backstory. The make-up assistant was leaving, the Guardian beauty columnist was leaving... their departure had nothing to do with her sharp elbows pushing her way in.

Before she went into damage limitation mode following the reports of her 'stalking' people, she seemed happy to say that she was ambitious/competitive and she clearly seemed to enjoy bitching on Twitter. I wonder what she might feel about having to sort of disown that part of her character now to maintain the narrative. I imagine her coming up with the perfect bitchy comment to impress her Twitter followers and having to step away from the phone, cursing her new sweetness and light persona.

SqualorVictoria · Dec 22, 2021

I guess the original stories fit more with the sassy big sister image she was trying to portray but now that she's rebranded as a helpless victim 'brutally attacked' by online trolls on a 'campaign' to destroy her career those stories are now at odds

Raindropsonkittens · Dec 22, 2021

She’s a mean girl trying to sanitise her back story for the ‘just be kind’ era & because the hypocrisy of her position (bleating about being trolled, yet behaving like a troll herself) is untenable.

Sali Hughes #43 Where's Wali? She's a lot of a wally a lot of the time

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