Ruby Granger #28 What a depacle!

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StatusWoe

yerdasellsavon said:
Honestly, Ruby has done some questionable/odd things lately, but think emailing her school to go back to give a talk sums up absolutely everything wrong with her and all her worst traits rolled into one.
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I also find this puzzling because of Ruby's social anxiety. You'd think she'd run a mile from any public speaking event.

space.cat said:
Kudos for being cool with this community being responsible for setting people up with accusations of theft and anti-semitism
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Where are the accusations of anti-semitism? I haven't come across those on this site.
 
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GoinDowntown

I guess space.cat does have a point in that accepting money offered in exchange for doing something isn't theft.

I think people consider the fact that she said she would give the money back in the form of reinvestment and then clearly didn't as a form of dishonesty. Especially since she now claims that she originally accepted the money with the intention of reinvesting it, which nobody believes for a second.

Is it immoral? From my viewpoint, yes. Is it trashy? Very. But is it illegal? I don't think so. (Unless pledging money to a charity and then failing to follow through with it is some kind of breach of contract perhaps? Someone let me know if you have knowledge about this, I genuinely don't know.) Neither are tax avoidance and the things Daddy Bones gets up to technically illegal. It is just highly suspicious, greedy and dishonest.

So yeah, I personally consider her more of a selfish, thoughtless hoarder of cash rather than an actual thief. I think the defensiveness and lies she's told regarding the money since then have made people feel like she's definitely done something wrong, even if she hasn't broken any laws as far as I know.
 
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Griftwood

This. Accepting money from a charity (given how rich she already is) was just Ruby being greedy like she always is, but the minute she claimed she had been planning to ”reinvest” the money in shady Holocaust memorials all along and then NEVER DID, it crossed over into lying and dishonesty. Sure, it may not fit the definition of theft, but it’s still not something an honest person would do.

edit: she lies all the time anyway, so none of this is really shocking coming from her.
 
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sleepyfawn

StatusWoe said:
I also find this puzzling because of Ruby's social anxiety. You'd think she'd run a mile from any public speaking event.



Where are the accusations of anti-semitism? I haven't come across those on this site.
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Yes, if there is evidence of this from this site I would also like to know bc throwing that around without evidence sort of cheapens the severity of antisemitism.

Edit: which should be taken very, very seriously, esp. from an influencer.
 
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Ilaariaa

sleepyfawn said:
Yes, if there is evidence of this from this site I would also like to know bc throwing that around without evidence sort of cheapens the severity of antisemitism.

Edit: which should be taken very, very seriously, esp. from an influencer.
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I haven't seen anyone accuse her of antisemitism here, just of trying to make HMD about herself and being generally inappropriate about it.
 
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rubysdeadfly

I've not seen anyone accuse her of being anti-sematic though rather people criticised for accepting the money under the guise of it being used to give an underfunded state school (her words not mine btw) a holocaust memorial which she has yet to do and ignored comments saying it was tone deaf to play martyr for poor kids and was effectively using it to pad out her CV and make her look like a better person. Essentially people said she accepted the money which is in poor taste anyway considering she isn't Jewish and hasn't experienced the Jewish experience and was blind to her privilege and only then did she say what her plans with the money actually were which as I say, she has yet to do.
I think people are just holding her accountable for things she has said herself she is going to do which as far as im aware isn't deformation.
Side note: Can't actually believe she said the words "under funded state school" same energy as when Southern, upper class teachers come down to under performing Northern schools to try and get the kids to 'turn their life around' and pursue a career in the arts and end up treating the students like commodities that they can pat themselves on the back for 'helping' to change their life
 
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CatCafe234

xoxoxo13 said:
more drama on discord
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To be fair to Ruby, she is a grubby little goblin but that’s not just ‘her’ coffee machine - the whole family is just as bad. It’s obvious that she’s never been taught to clean, and she’s probably never really had to clean up after herself either. Her parents have done her a huge disservice in bringing her up that way.

Not being clean is one of those things that’s just seen as eccentric when you’re rich, and the Grangers can get away with it because it’s a million-pound house and a three hundred-pound coffee machine that’s filthy. A family in a lower socio-economic bracket wouldn’t have that privilege.
 
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annagerda83

Agree, seeing Ruby’s distaste in coffee I believe she rarely even use the machine
 
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StatusWoe

xoxoxo13 said:
more drama on discord
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Lol at 'filthomena' Got to say though, I'm not totally comfortable with these posts on discord. It feels more bullying when it's in a place she set up and still visits. Yes I know we say pretty much the same things here, but it's different when the comments are in 'her' spaces. I'm not phrasing this very well but hopefully people know what I mean.

Edit: they're not wrong though.



And her outfit in this screenshot has strong Amish vibes.
 
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gossip_guy

Yupp.

An incredibly wealthy public figure accepting money from a charity is always scummy. There's a reason celebrities do this shit for free in their own time - nobody wants to see rich people profiting from needy causes and likely accepting more than their involvement might raise. The optics of it are terrible. It's not theft, it's just greedy as fuck and morally shitty from top to bottom.

But then Ruby took it a step further and lied up and down about that money from the second she experienced backlash, and kept making up stories and excuses that changed and got less believable every time.

First she claimed she only accepted the money to "reinvest" into Holocaust awareness (and anti-bullying causes, because Ruby has drawn the stupid and simplistic comparison that Nazis were just big bullies, so the two causes are naturally linked), because that's a believable alternative to just refusing money or immediately giving it back and making her own donations elsewhere. Saying you're going to be paying charities with their own money, or handing one charity's money to another is not charitable and "coming from a good place". It's stupid and highly suspect.

Then there was the hilariously dubious school memorial project excuse. Whenever asked about the progress on that memorial project, 9 times out of ten, she blocked and deleted people - always a good sign. On the rare occasion she couldn't do that, she claimed for a year that it was deep in the works and updates would be coming soon, and the schedule for an update was later and later every time with no actual information. Just days before claiming that she'd given all the money back, she posted a video including a to-do list with "Headway with memorials" on it to try to fool people into thinking it was an active project she was working hard on. She has never shown any evidence that any work was done on that dubious project after a year of claiming to be hard at work on it - who did she consult at the HMD Trust, what kind of discussions did she have with school boards, what was the approval process, how much planning had been done, how had it been budgeted, etc.?

Then, right in time for her next time to milk the Holocaust for content, she quickly claimed to have given the money back, clearly timed to pre-empt any renewed comments and backlash. Again, her story changed every time - first she'd done some thinking and after a year of criticism had finally decided on her own that she was misguided and had now returned the money. Then the story changed to "the money was returned last year".

I don't know of any reason why someone would lie so much for so long unless they just really wanted to keep the money and were hoping everyone would eventually forget about it. And there's still been no proof that the money was returned, when it was given back, or that the amount donated matched the amount originally accepted.

And that wasn't even the first or last time she's gotten wrapped up in questionable charity shit.

She accepted money from the NHS to advertise basic hygiene precautions that she herself almost never followed, at a time when the underfunding of the NHS and the paltry pay of front-line health workers was all over the news. She pledged ad revenue from several videos to multiple charities and encouraged people to sit through all the ads to drive up the amount. When asked how much was raised, people got blocked and deleted.

When people asked if the ad revenue from one of her anti-bullying would still be donated after she had to pull the video following another stupid controversy she'd caused, she blocked, deleted and avoided it. Again, zero proof that anything was passed onto the relevant charities. Considering she had a big scarlet letter on her Miss Patina blouse as far as charity money was concerned, she'd be aware that transparency was important if she was going to be in a position to handle money meant for charities.

Then there's the OTE conservation charity she got involved with, immediately after HMD 2022. Again, people had questions that it was marked as an ad - was she accepting money from another charity? Ruby shoved a very condescending disclaimer in her next video saying that people were "confused" how ad rules worked, then proceeded to lie about the ASA rules to explain why it was marked as an ad. Of COURSE she wouldn't be paid for it, who would think such a thing - aside from everyone, since she always does. And then that pesky word "reinvest" reared its head again as Ruby said that the money was "reinvested back into" the charity, before changing her tune again to say it was an unpaid ad. Again, I don't know why someone would lie unless it was to hide the fact that they accepted money and didn't want to give it back.

Tellingly, Ruby only ever does anything major for a charity when there is the opportunity for her to receive money for it, or if there's the chance for money earmarked for a charity to stop with her. The only exception was the Ukraine fundraiser. As discussed the other day, she had to be dragged kicking and screaming into participating in that by her management team to buy back some good will (just after they had to leap into her comments, pose as fans and post planted positive messages to try to drown out the critical comments from two more back-to-back charity scandals - HMD 2.0 and the OTE posts/video). She put in less than an hour's "work", looked miserable throughout and sour-faced Ruby made a weird point to mention that YouTube handled the money for it and would give it straight to the charity - she's clearly very aware when there's an opportunity for her to handle the cash and when there's not.

She might not be breaking into safes in the middle of the night to steal a charity's pot of cash, but people can draw their own conclusions about a spoiled rich influencer whose brand is built on "kindness", yet only does charity work when there's money to be made, or who constantly lies and deceives people to avoid handing over money she'd pledged to give back.
 
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Ilaariaa

I totally agree. When we post here it's a dedicated space to criticise her and it's on Ruby if she reads here and feels bad, but it's different to actually "seek her out" I think
 
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gossip_guy

Yeah, totally agree. If people want to post critical stuff on her platforms, then they have every right and reason since she does so much so often that's worthy of legitimately being called out for, but there's a way to do that constructively and civilly where she can't just dismiss it as nasty bullying (I mean, she's going to anyway, but still).

I'm not a fan of just taking name-calling directly to her. At least here, it's very clearly intended as a gossipy, critical place meant for that and Ruby and her fans are free to ignore it all if she doesn't want to read it.
 
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Auga

Yes, it's not theft but it was behaviour from Ruby that really saddened me. Even though I've long been critical of the harm her videos can cause, I've still followed her for a lot of years and up until then always thought she had integrity and meant well, especially compared to certain other studytubers. The excuse of "I deliberately took the money from the charity because I thought I could make better use of it for the charity's purposes than the charity itself" ...really didn't seem believable, even if we allow for Ruby to have such a high opinion of herself. And even if the excuse was true, she would have said that at the time of the video to head off the inevitable questions about her being paid.

She ought to have said from the outset that it hadn't occurred to either her or her management company to treat the charity differently from the usual brands that pay her, and that she would return/donate the fee immediately.
 
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