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Emmelina Ball

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I was heavily involved in the Repeal movement in the south and we got huge support from the north. When repeal passed we turned our attention to NI. I can’t believe we are still no further all these years later.

What really pisses me off is all these UK people who are angry about the US decision are silent when it comes to women in the north. They need your help too.
Totally!! Seen so many people outraged on twitter the past few days. They’ve said things like “this would never happen in the U.K.” I know many parts of the U.K. forget about NI being part of the U.K. but come on!! We’re still forced to fly to other parts of the U.K. for an abortion because they haven’t commissioned the services here it’s a disgrace!!
 
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longbottom

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I know we all complain about Boris etc but I can’t imagine him and his cronies ever doing anything like this.
And this is proven with Westminster actively trying to get abortion services in place in Northern Ireland over the past 3-4 years.

A good BBC timeline of abortion legislation and services in Northern Ireland:

Fair play to them, because we've got our own little conservative America right here within the UK but it feels like not many realise it or care. The rest of the island of Ireland has abortion services in place but not us. Ridiculous.
 
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Eureka

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America, the new Afghanistan 😶

My young adult Christian Orthodox son was shocked yesterday when I told him that I had an unwanted pregnancy at age 40. I detailed all the different ways our lives would have been ruined if I'd had a third child. Thankfully, I lost it early on, but it could have been very different, and I'd have been one of those women he'd be condemning right now. He's directly benefitted from a pregnancy not continuing and he took that on board. I also explained to him that this ruling will cause countless deaths and ruined lives. Reproduction is womens business and we need full control. Nothing to do with anyone else. Nothing to do with men whatsoever. Women have been 'dealing with' their reproductive issues since humans began. It's a messy business, but it's our business.

I hope they can get abortion pills out to women. This seems like an easier and safer option.
I don’t know about that last part. Taking abortion pills is safe for the vast majority of women but sometimes things go wrong. Sometimes things are going right but it feels like something is going wrong because it’s painful. And it can be hard to hide - try explaining that to a partner or parent

Before legal abortion in Ireland the pill was used a lot but some women ended up going to their GP or hospital for reassurance. They could do that because they weren’t going to be shopped to police - the laws here were always targeted at suppliers who might exploit women rather than women themselves. Post abortive women were actually treated quite well with access to free health checks and counselling if needed.

Women in the US don’t have that safety net. They themselves will be treated like criminals. They will be face potential conviction and that will prevent many women seeking medical assistance if something goes wrong. And that’s not to mention all the other women who have miscarriages of wanted babies who may now find themselves under suspicion if the authorities have reason to believe she might have tried to abort.

This isn’t just about abortion. It’s set womens rights in the US back decades. It’s impact will be felt in employment, health care, housing etc. It will once again put the onus on women to be a “good girl “ and save herself for a serious relationship or marriage while men get to do what they want with who they want with no repercussions or damage to their reputation.
 
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Hangoninthere

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I would like to add any anti trans person who hijackes the conversations re womens right to abortion to use their view that distracts from the rights of women to have abortions should be ignored

You clearly don't want to grasp the point at hand regarding language and rights, so I'll leave it here.
Oh my. Happy to dicuss that. But not the time or place. Distraction is what you are doing

If you have had an abortion or or thinking of one. I hope you are ok and don't feel worried or triggered xx
 
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Hangoninthere

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Anyone who thinks policing of women's language has not led to this are deluding themselves. Every fucking left winger in the last few years, including Planned Parenthood, have fallen over themselves to not use the word woman. Take that word away and you have no words to speak about your rights. Abortion becomes people's rights, no longer relevant to women.

If you think it cannot happen here in the UK, think again. Take away plain and simple language, the language used to talk about reproduction, menstruation, menopause, make all of them 'people's rights' and they mean fuck all. Be kind left activism has done this, and that is as someone who is a life long leftist. The shit has gone too far. It has gone from 'be kind' to get on your fucking knees and know your place.

In case you cannot tell, I am fucking furious. I celebrated along with American women when Roe v Wade was passed. And I am mourning with them at its removal. Don't dare to try and tell me I am not seeing what I am clearly seeing. Don't tell me I am wrong about erasure of language. Part of my degree was linguistics, I know how powerful words are, and how powerful their removal is. For those at the back, if you have not got it yet, LANGUAGE IS IMPORTANT.
My degree...if it helps is in Government. The SC made the decision. A decision that the majority of the US population doesn't agree with. It is an institution which is populated by political appointees. Trump placed three RW nutjobs in it intentionally to enact religious far right overturning of constitutional rights.

This has been years in the planning and has fuck all to do with language the use of the word woman and the left

When they go for same sex relationships who are you going to blame then?

Edit: Three right wing nut jobs



Corporate America needs to step up and stop any donations to the Republican Party.

Apparently Dick's, Amazon, Apple and Disney have all pledged to help their employees get safe and legal abortions.
Also almost all gaming companies have spoken out. The majority of their customers are in younger demographics. My understanding is entertainment companies are also taking a stand
 
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IngressUK

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The BMA saying that American women are free to come here and get an abortion on the NHS.

Err, NO!

The NHS is stretched enough as it is, without dealing with the fallout of a stupid U.S decision. Which is not the responsibility of the UK NHS to resolve.

Who exactly will pay for all these abortions? The hard pressed UK taxpayer of course.

The BMA really are a bunch of clueless idiots.
 
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kalechips

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I've just come across a post on reddit, where a woman's pharmacist warned her that she might soon no longer have access to her prescription anti-depressants, or any prescription that has even the slightest chance of causing a miscarriage. This would be for all women, not just pregnant women. I'm not in the US but I'm fucking horrified and I weep for every woman in America (should we just call it Gilead now?)...I can't fathom how any of this is happening.
 
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Milliemoo99

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It does seem so bizarre for the USA to turn the clock back and ban abortion rights.

I also wish that there was less of the emotive language......all the protection of the unborn child stuff. In some respects I can see where the pro lifers are coming from, protection of unborn children. But they arent considering all the other things that go alongside pregnancy.

The medical issues, the financial issues, the womans right to chose what is happening to her own body. The psychological and emotional damage that can be done for children born into families that dont want them, The damage done to mothers who dont want to have a child then and there, and who are trapped into motherhood.
the massive medical risks for backstreet abortions.
The medical risks of children born with physical and genetic abnormalities, I suppose like Downs syndrome etc

Its a minefield! But just banning abortions per se is so ..........awful
 
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Hangoninthere

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I didn't mention trans women once. And I certainly don't blame trans people for this as you seem to think I do. But this extreme policing around women's ability to speak about themselves and their rights have absolutely not helped things in recent years.
Why bring trans into this? It is not the point is it?
 
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Dollenganger

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I’m so angry about this. Men telling women what to do with their own bodies. It’s barbaric and woman hating.

It’s also not about the sanctity of life AT ALL. In a country where people in those same states are put to death and mentally unwell people are able to acquire military grade assault rifles.
 
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NeverEnough

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So many are blaming Trump and not seeing how the democrats have allowed this to happen. They (Obama and Biden) could have stopped this at anytime (I believe they still can) but abortion has always been a vote puller now they are asking for cash to fight this and they will use abortion rights to get re-elected and "get women out of this situation"

They knew 100% this was going to happen, they could have stopped it but didn't. They promised they would, but didn't because they knew once they did , they could not use it for votes and donations anymore.

People are being played like a game of ping pong. none of them, left or right (except for a rare few) have your rights or interests at heart.
This bollocks is only going to get worse unless we open our eyes and see it for what it really is. Another thing to divide us all.
The Democrats didn’t do it. But yes they could have stopped it. The Republicans have been saying they wanted to do this for nearly 50 years. The Democrats did nothing. The Supreme Court made the unprecedented step of leaking a draft opinion stating explicitly they were going to do this. The democrats did nothing. Obama had a super majority in his first term. Biden had a super majority when he came to power. Either could have enshrined Roe v Wade into federal law. Neither did anything.

Of course a cynic might point out that with the mid-terms approaching and Biden and Harris currently having record low approval ratings and facing a probable red wave, this has certainly come at a….convenient….time for the Democrats to galvanise their base. So an own goal maybe for the Republicans? The Democrats could well gain politically from this. They will do nothing.

Ah the democrats. The Progressive party. The party which had a range of candidates in the primaries, openly gay men, black women, left-wing radicals (in the American sense), black men dating Hollywood actresses, Asian men. “Native American” women (well Elizabeth Warren anyway). And chose as the candidate? A septuagenarian centrist establishment white dude. Ah the democrats. Fucking hypocrites.
 
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Hangoninthere

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Surely you cannot deny that the years of policing the language women use to discuss our issues and rights has had a hugely detrimental effect on women's rights campaigning?
Whether you like it or not TRAs and their tactics cannot be ignored in this mess.

NB: I said TRA and not trans people.
Give a fucking rest. No its about the ultra religious right in the USA.

It will be the poor that are affected. Which are the non white in some areas. Fuck it a lot of areas. Which are also being driven out of the right to vote. It is intentional to keep the poor poorer
How is that in any way funny? Unless you are white,? And or a man?
 
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mcfeez

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The BMA saying that American women are free to come here and get an abortion on the NHS.

Err, NO!

The NHS is stretched enough as it is, without dealing with the fallout of a stupid U.S decision. Which is not the responsibility of the UK NHS to resolve.

Who exactly will pay for all these abortions? The hard pressed UK taxpayer of course.

The BMA really are a bunch of clueless idiots.
The women most likely to be affected by the Roe v Wade decision are those in financial difficulty i.e. unable to travel to other places within the US to get an abortion. Nevermind an international flight - some may not even have a passport.
 
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petitspois

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It shouldnt be up to any government bodies though. Women everywhere should be able to access abortion. Regardless of where they live.

Should it come down to a state by state basis to allow say organ transplants? There is no other medical procedure that is broken down like this surely?

If you dont like abortion, dont have one 🤷‍♀️ its really that simple. Pro choice is not pro abortion. I think thats the difference, I want people to have the choice regardless of what decision I would make myself if I was to find myself unexpectedly pregnant.

The choice should lie solely with the individual.
That's it exactly. It's nothing to do with politics and government.
 
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Natterbox80

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I have to admit it here but I am burying my head in sand about this. I have PTSD from having a miscarriage and then fighting tooth and nail to repeal the 8th amendment in Ireland whilst pregnant on both child.

I am only realising now how traumatising it was and I have done my fighting, now dealing with the trauma. People in America have an almightly fight on their hands, my heart goes out to them. But having to have a not my circus, not my monkeys approach for my own mental health.

Being pregnant in a country with v little abortion rights is truly horrifying!
 
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La Guera

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I'm so glad you're talking about this because yeah... I'm gutted. Shocking, I know. Mr Flibble ain't a mister (as if that wasn't painfully obvious).

I'm trying to work right now and I just can't stop sobbing. Even making a snarky remark about BLAB doesn't feel appealing.
Me too. Me too. Trying to explain to my teens how this effects them.
 
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LaBlonde

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It will be scary if the red states in the US introduce something akin to what Poland have. They have introduced a 'pregnancy register' which will be essentially used to track pregnant woman.
i’ve already seen a lot of people being told to delete their period tracker apps etc. the truly sad thing is that we live in an age of almost unprecedented digital surveillance, especially in the us - i think it’s only a step away from an official register, but there will certainly be some kind of monitoring in.

don’t forget that texas (for one) had a number where you could report someone for having an abortion and get a monetary reward for it. they’re basically encouraging people to monitor :(
 
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mcfeez

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People were saying that in some religions like Judaism and Islam women are permitted to have an abortion under various reasons so if the federal states deny those women abortion then they are interfering with the right to religious freedom.
It’s all very backwards and outdated thinking.
The Satanic Temple were/are attempting legal action on the abortion law (the 'heartbeat' bill) rolled out in Texas - stating it infringes on their religious beliefs and violates one of the tenets of their religion. - The Satanic Temple is fighting for abortion rights in Texas - New Statesman
 
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