I think they said Friday.
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Yes, tomorrow.
For those that didn’t see, he got a minimum 27 years.
It was 27 years for her murder and 18 years for her rape but to run concurrently!
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I don’t fully understand the logic of concurrent sentences.
Hi . Can I just ask you all where you get your information from . I love true crime stories , I did dabble a little bit with law . Is there a website , do you all watch the same channel , is there a channel ? I’d leave to follow the proceedings of a trial , beginning , during and after , I’ve never heard of Libby square and the ones you’re talking about or do you just follow the news ?
The local papers often have a court reporter giving live coverage. There are also forums such as web sleuths that will discuss certain trials. I often do my own background research - social media, previous convictions, there’s usually a wealth of information out there.
Read the very first post in this thread for my MO
Me neither, it frustrates me so I dread to think how the victim’s families feel!
This guy is also serving 8.5 years for voyeurism crimes from the 2years prior to Libby’s murder, yet this new sentence starts today. So 8.5 + 27 + 18 = 53.5 years in total yet he’ll serve a minimum of 27....I just hope the parole board never release him!
Isn’t a life sentence in the uk 15 years? So if they were run consecutively it would be 15 plus whatever he got for rape , 5 ? 10? , I think from what I’ve read if they were tried separately it wouldn’t be as high as when they are run together
there would be a starting point for sentencing but then the judge takes a variety of factors onto account that increase it.
For a 'regular' murder (say a beating) yes it's a 15 year starting point but this can be increased/decreased with aggravating/mitigating factors. The starting point increases the more serious the offence - so, for example, murder with a knife brought to the scene is 25 years, a murder committed for gain 30 years. Again, these can be increased/decreased with aggravating/mitigating factors.
The starting point for anyone under 18 is always 12 years.
Unlike the USA, we basically try everything and everyone together wherever possible.
The judge's full sentencing remarks are here for the Libby Squire case which explain how he has arrived at the sentence.
R v Pawel Relowicz - Courts and Tribunals Judiciary
Sheffield Crown Court 12 February 2021 R v Pawel Relowicz Sentencing remarks of Mrs Justice Lambert
www.judiciary.uk
I don't really understand how concurrent or determinate sentences work either but my understanding, from reading his remarks, is that no matter whether he started at 15 or 30 years (for it to be a 30 year starting point, I think he has to be absolutely sure that it was a sexually motivated, pre meditated murder and he accepted that the murder wasn't pre meditated) the pre meditated sexual offending/rape that night meant he could push the sentencing up to near 30 years anyway. Although the murder and rape are listed as separate sentencing, the totality of the offending is 27 years and doesn't include the years from his previous conviction. That's how I read it anyway.
I believe that the 27 year sentence will start once he has completed his previous sentence.
He's never getting out.
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Here are the judges sentencing remarks in the Libby Squires case.
I’m the kind of strange human who spends hours reading sentencing remarks - often from trials I didn’t even follow. I find them absolutely fascinating. if it’s a trial involving a child the local safeguarding board or council will generally conduct and publish a SCR - these generally contain a lot of background that is not published in the media.
I’m the kind of strange human who spends hours reading sentencing remarks - often from trials I didn’t even follow. I find them absolutely fascinating. if it’s a trial involving a child the local safeguarding board or council will generally conduct and publish a SCR - these generally contain a lot of background that is not published in the media.
It makes very interesting reading, very sad reading too, (i cried thinking of her crying for her mum) but what an utter complete bastard he was,
Just to be pedantic but the judge is female. She’s something of a bad ass if you read her history. Really pleased she was the judge on this case.
sorry, @Be More Pacific - just realised that you’d already posted the sentencing remarks .
Just googled her and found this write up on her, really interesting to read....
Bad Press – Trouble and Strife
www.troubleandstrife.org
He'd actually had the sentence for the voyeurism charges reduced from 8 years to 5 years 8 months on appeal. This information was only allowed to be released after the guilty verdict.
The statement from Libby's mum was extremely beautiful, poignant and heartbreaking.
He stared at Libby's parents for over a minute after the verdict was read out. What a despicable man.
The statement from Libby's mum was extremely beautiful, poignant and heartbreaking.
He stared at Libby's parents for over a minute after the verdict was read out. What a despicable man.
Apologies. I'm usually quite hot on this stuff but haven't really followed the trial if I'm honest.
My fave bad ass female judge
My boyfriend did his jury duty in her court and said she was fab but also very interested in when she could get out for a fag which she made no secret of!
Judge who swore at abusive defendant cleared of misconduct
Patricia Lynch QC apologises unreservedly for reacting to verbal abuse from offender John Hennigan during sentencing
Regarding Pawel Relowicz, the Judge stated the following:
The following site details the different types of prison sentences - https://www.gov.uk/types-of-prison-sentence
@Be More Pacific - "I don't really understand how concurrent or determinate sentences work either..."
The following site details the different types of prison sentences - https://www.gov.uk/types-of-prison-sentence
Sorry, I meant I understand the principle but not always how they're put into practise.
The part from the judge's sentencing you quoted is standard.
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