Me either but reading about it online it was close to where I live. I thought the program looked good in the adverts so was planning to give it a watch, I didn’t realise it was based on a true story or what it was actually about though.
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How did you not know about the Rachel Nickell murder? It’s infamous. Absolutely horrific and was all over the news at the time. Colin Stagg went through an awful time.
Poor woman - i‘m wondering If this will turn out to be a so called ‘honour killing’.
www.theguardian.com
Three men arrested after woman dies from severe burns in Bury
Greater Manchester police say 31-year-old taken from East Street address to hospital but died short time later
www.theguardian.com
Very insightful, thanks!
It happened before I was born, but when I read the details (the fact it happened in a park in front of her son) it did ring a bell.
It does sound horrific though, and the fact they pursued the wrong man which then meant another woman and child were killed… awful.
Some justice for Bernadette: https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk...-found-guilty-of-murdering-bernadette-3323724
'Today a unanimous verdict was delivered by the jury, with Scott Walker found guilty of murder.'
'Scott Walker was convicted of murder and two counts of perverting the course of justice, relating to knowing or believing she was dead. The jury were not asked to deliver verdicts on the other two perverting the course of justice counts, as they were ‘alternative’ counts.
No verdicts have been given for the charges against Sarah Walker, and the jury were told that a majority verdict would be acceptable for those counts. This means that a verdict on which at least 10 jurors are agreed can be taken.'
'Today a unanimous verdict was delivered by the jury, with Scott Walker found guilty of murder.'
'Scott Walker was convicted of murder and two counts of perverting the course of justice, relating to knowing or believing she was dead. The jury were not asked to deliver verdicts on the other two perverting the course of justice counts, as they were ‘alternative’ counts.
No verdicts have been given for the charges against Sarah Walker, and the jury were told that a majority verdict would be acceptable for those counts. This means that a verdict on which at least 10 jurors are agreed can be taken.'
Thank heavens for that. Poor poor girl.
Two teenagers, 14, are found guilty of murdering 13-year-old boy
Two 14-year-old boys have been found guilty at Reading Crown Court of the murder of Olly Stephens, 13, who was 'lured' to a park in the Berkshire town and fatally stabbed.
Glad they've been found guilty. I've been following this case and couldn't believe what I was reading when the attackers text messages were published. This is cold blooded murder and as young as they are I want them to feel the full force of the law. I'm sick of how soft on crime the UK has become.
I was just reading the family tribute on the TVP page, this last paragraph got me:Two teenagers, 14, are found guilty of murdering 13-year-old boy
Two 14-year-old boys have been found guilty at Reading Crown Court of the murder of Olly Stephens, 13, who was 'lured' to a park in the Berkshire town and fatally stabbed.www.dailymail.co.uk
Glad they've been found guilty. I've been following this case and couldn't believe what I was reading when the attackers text messages were published. This is cold blooded murder and as young as they are I want them to feel the full force of the law. I'm sick of how soft on crime the UK has become.
“Today is a sad day, so many young lives and the lives of their families have been devastated by this callous and cold-hearted act. Knife crime needs to stop. Now.”
What I want to know is what's led to the huge increase in people stabbing other human beings like it's nothing. Because it isn't just idiotic young people, it seems to be across all age groups although the majority is young men in their late teens/early 20s.
What's changed for someone to go from a regular silly argument to deciding to stab someone? Until that's addressed, nothing will change.
What's changed for someone to go from a regular silly argument to deciding to stab someone? Until that's addressed, nothing will change.
Broken homes, poverty, feral kids left to their own devices, getting involved with gangs, drugs, the lure of easy money, huge influence of culture from the USA, running around acting and talking like they're gangsters, tit for tat killings, perceived respect. That's what I see on social media and in the trials I follow.
And no, I don't know what the answer is.
But you're right, it is across all age groups now. I don't think I'm wrong in thinking a lot of men (because it is mainly men) take a knife out with them now on a night out.
Knife crime terrifies me more than anything else right now, I fear for my kids as they become teenagers.
There’s a channel 4 documentary, I want to say it’s 24hrs in police custody, and it covers the effects of knife crime and how it effects young male adults. As a mother to a little boy who was considering moving back to the city… no way after this show. Horrified me.
My husband grew up in inner city Birmingham and was mugged on a bus when he was 16. Took his phone, bus pass, wallet, money. He was threatened with a knife and no one helped him. He told me for years after that he carried a knife, and this just makes me sick to my stomach. My husband is a really gentle, sweet, educated bloke and the fact he had to carry a knife because he was scared of being mugged again just makes my stomach ache. He said he felt as if he had no choice.
I’d never move to a big city, despite me missing my home and the opportunities that come with being close/in a city.
Sorry to say but I live in a small borough and we’ve lost lads to knife crime. It’s the way of the world. Education in schools has to be the way. From what I read in the daily trial reports, it seems like even this poor lad himself carried as well. Awful.
we live in a fairly big town, and we’re trying to move away to somewhere smaller and quieter
I saw a study that also mentioned that the pandemic has also led to more knife crime as children spent a lot of time out of school and therefore could easily be groomed into gangs. It’s a scary world.
I've thinking about this loads in relation to when I was 13-14 (back in the dark ages of '87-88) and why there weren't more kids stabbing eachother. My school was rough as hell, there was a lot going on in a lot of our lives and a lot of rage and hormones flying around.
I think it may have something to do with the relentless nature of social media and chat apps nowadays. Kids are in touch 24/7, winding eachother up, getting eachother hyped up and finding grievances. There's no cool down time to get a sense of perspective. They're just completely immersed in their own world and this combined with the intensity of teenage hormones is a toxic mix.
Hope that makes sense!
I think there’s also an element of it’s the only “control” he has left?
Completely agree, also think the games they play online involving “kills” do not help the situation either
That's a good point. There was a BBC story yesterday about Bernadette's murder and it touched on similar:
'Now convicted of murder, police plan to speak to him in prison in a bid to get information about where Bernadette is.
However, Dr Lundrigan said: "What we find with killers is often it's the last bit of control they have, so they are very reluctant to relinquish.
"Even when they are found guilty and they're in prison and there is no attention on them, they've still got that one nugget of information, and it's power."'
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