The cultural/religious clothing she wears is the same clothing that people in asian countries wear. If you look at Pakistan and Ethiopia (two different continents) the clothing is the same. She may have been drawn to an area populated but people wearing that clothing to blend in. Nothing racist about that at all. But it's easier for some to wave the race card than educate to themselves.
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I am glad to see other people find the story of Fatuma Kadir really odd.
Anyone on social media questioning the official line is instantly shouted down as racist but I'm sorry, the idea of an eleven-year-old travelling alone on multiple trains with a "substantial" amount of money because she had dreams of starting a clothing business near Tower Bridge is one of the most bizarre, unlikely things I've ever heard.
And I remember being a kid well enough to know that children don't half get some funny ideas in their heads and do crazy, unpredictable things but absolutely nothing about the official line is believable at all and I've been aghast at the way people on certain other platforms don't want to think critically for even a moment, let alone that people have believed the story without thinking twice. Yikes.
Anyone on social media questioning the official line is instantly shouted down as racist but I'm sorry, the idea of an eleven-year-old travelling alone on multiple trains with a "substantial" amount of money because she had dreams of starting a clothing business near Tower Bridge is one of the most bizarre, unlikely things I've ever heard.
And I remember being a kid well enough to know that children don't half get some funny ideas in their heads and do crazy, unpredictable things but absolutely nothing about the official line is believable at all and I've been aghast at the way people on certain other platforms don't want to think critically for even a moment, let alone that people have believed the story without thinking twice. Yikes.
Yes, Islamic clothing is shared across many continents, but my point was that as an Ethiopian Muslim, she isn’t necessarily going to have language and culture in common with the Bangladeshi community in Tower Hamlets. I thought that was a bit of a reach.
A bit of a reach maybe but not racist.
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I didn’t accuse anyone of racism.
You alluded to it in response to another post. Not only that in a further post you make a comment about possible language barrier between the girl and the Bangladeshi community, as if to assume they can't speak English. That itself is worse than what you were actually criticising other people for in the first place. I'll leave it at that now.
I really didn’t. I pointed out that the girl wasn’t Asian, but African. If you want to interpret that as a veiled accusation of racism that’s your prerogative.
You read way too much into things.
Just reading how the piece of excrement in human form Wayne Couzens is barely eating and is being watched like a hawk because authorities fear he's trying to take the easy way out and kill himself.
It's known he's already caused himself injury when he banged his head a few times in custody.
I hope he is not able to succeed and is made to feel the true horror of what he has done every day for a long time, the ultimate punishment.
It's known he's already caused himself injury when he banged his head a few times in custody.
I hope he is not able to succeed and is made to feel the true horror of what he has done every day for a long time, the ultimate punishment.
I struggle to believe that Wayne Couzens is a first time offender so keeping him alive is imperative. He might be responsible for unsolved assaults and murder.
I don’t really understand the point- anyone who has been to a mosque knows that African and Asian Muslims are frequently part of the same community.
my idle wondering is whether she’s been groomed by someone who promised to help her achieve her dreams of the clothing line, and the police releasing that bizarre bit of detail was to appeal to her, as if to say “we know the man yoU’ve gone to meet was going to help you with your dream but your parents are worried” how else can you appeal to an 11 year old grooming victim?
as for racism I can’t really see where there is any tbh, not that I’ve seen all related media. But it’s obviously common for children to run away due to abuse in the home, so speculating about that isn’t unusual.
Will take him bloody ages to starve himself. There have been prisons on hunger strike for years and years
(That last sentence was Wayne couzens related!)
my idle wondering is whether she’s been groomed by someone who promised to help her achieve her dreams of the clothing line, and the police releasing that bizarre bit of detail was to appeal to her, as if to say “we know the man yoU’ve gone to meet was going to help you with your dream but your parents are worried” how else can you appeal to an 11 year old grooming victim?
as for racism I can’t really see where there is any tbh, not that I’ve seen all related media. But it’s obviously common for children to run away due to abuse in the home, so speculating about that isn’t unusual.
Will take him bloody ages to starve himself. There have been prisons on hunger strike for years and years
(That last sentence was Wayne couzens related!)
I’m curious to hear from someone who knows about the psychology of people like him about him now being ‘depressed’ (the daily mails word not mine) because surely someone as psychopathic as him wouldnt be feeling ‘depressed’/not eating because he feels guilty, so why isn’t he eating? Is it because he selfishly can’t go out and satisfy his urges anymore so that’s making him feel bad or is he just going to try and kill himself to get out of going to prison for the rest of his life? I read a line in the article that someone said ‘the enormity of his crimes is now catching up to him’ but surely someone as sickening as him doesn’t feel guilt? So what is it that he’s thinking about?
she was described as Asian by the police. Really they should have got that right.
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I wasn't really aware of this story tbh
I was only 12 when it happened so I don't remember it too well at the time, but I'm looking forward to watching it. Colin Stagg's life was ruined because of the way the Met acted.
'Lizzie Jones' life was too effectively. She took early retirement about a year after it happened and was awarded compensation from the Met.
Agree. I read the DM article earlier and I just thought… what were you expecting to happen after you did this? Did he genuinely think he’d have gotten away with it? Surely being a police officer with some degree of seniority / niche experience he’d have seen similarly awful cases unfold and how they’re solved? He was a bit more forensically deceptive (rental car) than other cases afaik, but that’ll only stand to work against him when he inevitably pleads insanity like Peter Sutcliffe and the rest of that sort.
It brings us back to the fact he must have done this before and gotten away with it for him to feel emboldened enough?
Yeah that’s the thing that scares me and that I expect the police are scared about, that he’s done it before and he’ll be matched up to an unsolved case etc
Contrary to logical expectation, not all murders are entirely psychopathic. However, the depression aspect is likely to come from several aspects...
Firstly, there are phases to the build up before an offence. So, there is the initial urge or fantasy, followed by a reinforcement of those urges via pornography, then a planning phase which overlaps this. Not many people get to this point, often porn is enough. However, some do.
Secondly, sexual offenders who go on to murder often start with minor offences. Indecent exposure or burglary with a sexual element. Whereas violent crimes or animal abuse are more common starter crimes for psychopaths.
He is likely to have experienced a high whilst planning and committing this crime but that will have been short lived. Think of it like a high from gambling, the excitement when you place the bet, the possibility of winning, followed by the low when you don't win.
With the small amount of info we (the public) have, I'm not convinced he's entirely psychopathic, although he will have traits.
The depression comes from a combination of things. He's lost his family, he has ruined his life, he's lost his freedom. He may feel guilty but that guilt is unlikely to be victim based. It's all about him and how he feels. That's where the psychopathic elements to his personality come in to play.
My opinion is that he will have committed crimes similar to those known about - indecent exposure etc. There may also be a history of abusive behaviour toward sex workers but I very much doubt there are other murders.
It's a really good job he has been stopped now though. Very similar to the guy called Pawal who murdered Libby in Hull (sorry, I can't remember surnames).
I'll caveat all of that by saying that without access to his medical records, I'm generalising based on his offence compared to similar offenders
I can’t decide in my armchair opinion that is, whether Sarah was the first murder victim. What I do believe is the “land” bought really does raise my suspicion that he would repeat it.
Can’t believe it’s nearly 1am and I’m about to write a comment out that’s going to really freak me out. Content warnings VAWG, SW, murder:
What really alarms me is that story re: Eastern European gang. It suggests some level of familiarity with the local sex trade, and realistically undocumented and/or trafficked sex workers. It would be very easy for him to exploit his police status to terrify those women into silence, or worse do similar in that he was “arresting” them only to take them off to his land and do the very worst.
If no one knows they’re in the country then no authority will ever flag they’re missing, a pimp won’t go to the police and say yes this girl I’m exploiting for my own financial gain is now missing, and other girls likely lied to or too scared to raise alarm themselves. There was a ch4 documentary on this and trafficked women are made to feel absolutely terrified of the police and live in fear of being deported.
It’s the perfect storm for someone like him to operate. In that sense it reminds me of John Worboys and how black cab drivers are sort of pillar of the community/trusted sources so he was assumed to be an upstanding bloke whenever he had any close encounters with the police (of which there were a handful iirc?) and similarly, women were disarmed and relaxed when they entered his vehicle so did accept champagne and didn’t think it was him if they’d realised they had been assaulted the night before.
It’s seriously chilling stuff
Definitely no racism in what I have read on here. Because people cannot differentiate between Muslims does not make them a racist. I never really post on this thread because it can come across as a bit of a pissing contest to me, but that might just be me! I love reading it though!
My main reasoning for thinking something was up with the girl from Bolton was, the CCTV looked like a much older lady, and I was shocked the parents identified her as their daughter!
Saying that, whether it was a Muslim girl or not, I’d still think the parents knew more, just how it was reported and because of the CCTV not looking like her
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