Preston Davey Trial

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Perhaps I've misunderstood but it seems like baby Preston was handed over to these monsters within just a few days. Is that what happened? Surely it should have been a much longer process of getting to know him, gradually increasing the length of visits etc. I'm hoping I've gotten it wrong but it seems so sudden. Like one minute he's with a loving foster mum who comforts him when he needs it, and the next he's with two strangers who don't seem to understand or care that he's traumatised. It just seems like a bizarrely quick process.

Another thing that confused me is that when they contacted 111 about breathing difficulties, they were waiting for a callback. Surely any breathing concerns in a baby should be dealt with immediately. I don't understand why an ambulance wasn't sent or at the very least they were advised to take him to A&E.

It's an absolutely heartbreaking case. The details are so distressing. Can't get his beautiful little face out of my mind.
It shocked me 4 days later after being matched he was placed with them I spoke to my mum about when she first met me and my sister we was adopted late 90/“ early 2000s they come and see us with out our knowledge first we was shopping and they see us then we had multiple visits at foster carers then had day visits at our parents then week ends then went for a week went back to foster carers for a weekend then we went and moved in we was adopted though courts about a year later , it was constant adoption courses they had the get references from employers and friends they went in the medical financial also wanted to know everything about my mum and dad from birth and as we were classed as look after children we had regular visits with social worker , any dr or hospital visits are flagged to social as you have a mark next to your name I don’t understand how they have let the ball down I can’t stop thinkhbg Bout Preston poor little boy , I would have thought the process has got tougher not easier with lack of supervision
 
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Another thing that confused me is that when they contacted 111 about breathing difficulties, they were waiting for a callback. Surely any breathing concerns in a baby should be dealt with immediately. I don't understand why an ambulance wasn't sent or at the very least they were advised to take him to A&E.

What @Ghostranch says. Usually at worst - if there was no ambulance available 111 would say to take the baby to A&E straight away! Many years ago something similar happened with the son of a friend (he was older) - about 6 IIRC) and they were told A&E immediately because an ambulance might be too late. As It happened they ended up with a police entertainer as the dad was speeding and they were pulled over by the polis who saw mam in the back with a gasping child and drove ahead of them at umpteen mph with the siren and the flashing lights to clear the road.
 
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It shocked me 4 days later after being matched he was placed with them I spoke to my mum about when she first met me and my sister we was adopted late 90/“ early 2000s they come and see us with out our knowledge first we was shopping and they see us then we had multiple visits at foster carers then had day visits at our parents then week ends then went for a week went back to foster carers for a weekend then we went and moved in we was adopted though courts about a year later , it was constant adoption courses they had the get references from employers and friends they went in the medical financial also wanted to know everything about my mum and dad from birth and as we were classed as look after children we had regular visits with social worker , any dr or hospital visits are flagged to social as you have a mark next to your name I don’t understand how they have let the ball down I can’t stop thinkhbg Bout Preston poor little boy , I would have thought the process has got tougher not easier with lack of supervision
A friend of mine adopted around 4 years ago, they had 3 meetings and 1 sleepover before the child was placed with them permanently. It all seems very rushed, they went through a 2yr very rigorous and invasive adoption process to then "here is your very tramatised child" after 1 sleepover.
Thankfully they are responsible loving people and kept in touch with foster parents to help transition and were open with everyone including social work when they had moments of struggle and doubt. 4 years later and they are much more setlled, love their child deeply and have completed their adoption but are very open and honest about how unsupported they felt from social work who became hands off pretty quickly.
 
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Another thing that confused me is that when they contacted 111 about breathing difficulties, they were waiting for a callback. Surely any breathing concerns in a baby should be dealt with immediately. I don't understand why an ambulance wasn't sent or at the very least they were advised to take him to A&E.

What @Ghostranch says. Usually at worst - if there was no ambulance available 111 would say to take the baby to A&E straight away! Many years ago something similar happened with the son of a friend (he was older) - about 6 IIRC) and they were told A&E immediately because an ambulance might be too late. As It happened they ended up with a police entertainer as the dad was speeding and they were pulled over by the polis who saw mam in the back with a gasping child and drove ahead of them at umpteen mph with the siren and the flashing lights to clear the road.
The fact he even says "everything is absolutely fine we just have an 11 month old breathing very rapidly", so everything is not absolutely fine! The warning signs were all there that baby Preston's life was in serious danger and so many people failed him or turned a blind eye
 
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It shocked me 4 days later after being matched he was placed with them I spoke to my mum about when she first met me and my sister we was adopted late 90/“ early 2000s they come and see us with out our knowledge first we was shopping and they see us then we had multiple visits at foster carers then had day visits at our parents then week ends then went for a week went back to foster carers for a weekend then we went and moved in we was adopted though courts about a year later , it was constant adoption courses they had the get references from employers and friends they went in the medical financial also wanted to know everything about my mum and dad from birth and as we were classed as look after children we had regular visits with social worker , any dr or hospital visits are flagged to social as you have a mark next to your name I don’t understand how they have let the ball down I can’t stop thinkhbg Bout Preston poor little boy , I would have thought the process has got tougher not easier with lack of supervision
That sounds like a much better way to do it. Of course a child is going to be unsettled if they are suddenly taken from everything they know. ☹
 
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The fact he even says "everything is absolutely fine we just have an 11 month old breathing very rapidly", so everything is not absolutely fine! The warning signs were all there that baby Preston's life was in serious danger and so many people failed him or turned a blind eye
Yeah, it's crazy. We had a situation with our child several years ago when he was unwell and we called 111. I wouldn't say he was struggling to breathe, but his breathing was different to usual. When I mentioned that, they sent an ambulance. So I just find it odd that they were only waiting for a call back. This poor child was let down multiple times by everyone around him.
 
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Difficulty breathing (a fast respiration rate is also considered to be difficulty breathing) is such an instant medical red flag for anyone with common sense. Calling 111, when everyone knows they either tell you to go to A&E immediately or leave you waiting for hours for a call back, doesn’t make sense other than it being a ploy to avoid another A&E visit.
 
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I thought that when you're on hold with 111 there is actually an automated message that says any significant chest pain or breathing difficulties should hang up, call 999 or visit A&E asap.

I'm horrified by all aspects of this case but especially how quickly the placement with them happened. They seemed to think they were going to get an accessory rather than a human being, as JV seemed to be aggrieved that Preston wasn't perfect from day 1. I couldn't understand that thought process at all. Not comparing animals to children, but when adopting a cat or dog, it says it can take them months to decompress and adjust to a new home. Imagine then a child who has been in foster care since birth, bonded to a family and has had a very experienced and knowledgeable caregiver to then go to two strangers with seemingly no paternal instincts.
 
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I thought that when you're on hold with 111 there is actually an automated message that says any significant chest pain or breathing difficulties should hang up, call 999 or visit A&E asap.

I'm horrified by all aspects of this case but especially how quickly the placement with them happened. They seemed to think they were going to get an accessory rather than a human being, as JV seemed to be aggrieved that Preston wasn't perfect from day 1. I couldn't understand that thought process at all. Not comparing animals to children, but when adopting a cat or dog, it says it can take them months to decompress and adjust to a new home. Imagine then a child who has been in foster care since birth, bonded to a family and has had a very experienced and knowledgeable caregiver to then go to two strangers with seemingly no paternal instincts.
An accessory and a plaything to satisfy their sick perversions behind closed doors. It didnt suit them when they realised he had his own needs and cried too much.

The name thing really bothers me as well. What gave them the right to change it and start calling him something else? They tried to take that away from him too. I’m guessing his given birth name didn’t fit their aesthetic. The whole thing is revolting on every level.
 
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But that doesn’t prove anything came from Preston’s mouth apart from drool. They didn’t test his drool, they tested the cot bars. They can’t prove the sperm cells came from his drool. Believe me I wish they could.
The prosecutor said that stains in the cot were examined and were "consistent with the presence of fluid containing saliva, the microscopic characteristics of a sperm cell and a mixed DNA result that could have originated from cells from Preston and Mr McGowan-Fazackerley were found".

The question for the jury is how does a sperm cell get into a saliva sample in the baby’s cot. I can’t think of any innocent explanation.

This case is devastating and I’m almost certain JV will be found guilty of at least some of the charges. He left that poor baby to struggle with his breathing while he recorded a video of him hours before he finally took him to hospital where he was pronounced dead.
 
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The prosecutor said that stains in the cot were examined and were "consistent with the presence of fluid containing saliva, the microscopic characteristics of a sperm cell and a mixed DNA result that could have originated from cells from Preston and Mr McGowan-Fazackerley were found".

The question for the jury is how does a sperm cell get into a saliva sample in the baby’s cot. I can’t think of any innocent explanation.

This case is devastating and I’m almost certain JV will be found guilty of at least some of the charges. He left that poor baby to struggle with his breathing while he recorded a video of him hours before he finally took him to hospital where he was pronounced dead.
See i thought that it was v that was the abuser and mf allowed it but both must of been sa the poor baby if his sperm cells were on the cot
 
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See i thought that it was v that was the abuser and mf allowed it but both must of been sa the poor baby if his sperm cells were on the cot
Yes CPS authorised charges of SA on JMF so they must believe they have enough evidence of this.
It’s just so awful.
 
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Yes CPS authorised charges of SA on JMF so they must believe they have enough evidence of this.
It’s just so awful.
John was in the house that day as well so knew full well what happened. I think every other charge Jamie is alone with the baby but sending explicit pictures to John
 
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God, listening to The Trial podcast and my Christ they really pulled the Wool over everyone’s eyes, and they must have done it brilliantly because the times when concerns should have been raised and subsequently investigated are numerous, it’s very concerning. Preston fractured his elbow and Vardy changed his story about what happened, once saying it was from ‘guiding him back into position’ to sleep and telling someone else it was trapped in the bars of his cot. The social worker seems to have been more concerned about how terrible Vardy appeared to be feeling about the incident than the fact the baby had a cast on his elbow from supposedly being put down to sleep. She even mentions how they’d discussed how they could get some much needed couple time away from Preston.

Previous to that incident he had head bruises from what they told doctors was him pulling a toy box down on his own head. No further questions asked, apparently. It’s appalling.
 
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John was in the house that day as well so knew full well what happened. I think every other charge Jamie is alone with the baby but sending explicit pictures to John

Was John at the house then? I thought he was away from the house eg at work and he came home with the door locked and the dog at the door? He came in to a panicking Jamie?
 
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McGowan-Fazackerley's car seen returning to house on CCTV, jurors told
A short voice call was made from Mr Varley’s phone to his partner’s at 17.34. That is the last action on Mr Varley’s phone before McGowan-Fazackerley returned.
Mr McGowan-Fazackerley’s car was captured on CCTV travelling back towards Staining Road at 18.14pm.
A minute later, the phone’s location was outside the house.
 
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Mobile phone cell site information shows that by 13.53 McGowan-Fazackerley’s phone was in Salford and Varley’s was in the Blackpool area.
 
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Was John at the house then? I thought he was away from the house eg at work and he came home with the door locked and the dog at the door? He came in to a panicking Jamie?
Sorry, I realise I may have got the names mixed up. But still, the point remains that they duped everyone spectacularly, I’m surprised at the sheer level that they were consistently able to do this.
 
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God, listening to The Trial podcast and my Christ they really pulled the Wool over everyone’s eyes, and they must have done it brilliantly because the times when concerns should have been raised and subsequently investigated are numerous, it’s very concerning. Preston fractured his elbow and Vardy changed his story about what happened, once saying it was from ‘guiding him back into position’ to sleep and telling someone else it was trapped in the bars of his cot. The social worker seems to have been more concerned about how terrible Vardy appeared to be feeling about the incident than the fact the baby had a cast on his elbow from supposedly being put down to sleep. She even mentions how they’d discussed how they could get some much needed couple time away from Preston.

Previous to that incident he had head bruises from what they told doctors was him pulling a toy box down on his own head. No further questions asked, apparently. It’s appalling.
I’m so angry that so many so called professionals came into contact with this little baby and his adoptive abusers and did absolutely duck all but rolled over and accepted the poor little Jamie act. It’s bleeping outrageous! I want to know why?

That social worker needs to be struck off. Any child that presents at a GP or hospital so many times for so many different reasons needs to be investigated immediately. A child in the care system should raise even more screaming alarm bells. In Preston’s case this happened over a 4 month period. 4 months! And nothing but pandering to Jamie. Preston should’ve been instantly removed. So many people with blood on their hands here it is truly terrible.
 
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Was John at the house then? I thought he was away from the house eg at work and he came home with the door locked and the dog at the door? He came in to a panicking Jamie?
I think he was in the house at the time Preston was photographed over the cot which was what I thought this poster was referring to? Jamie took the photo and sent it to John whose phone location put him as being in the house. I may have also got this wrong but I’m sure that is what the reporting said?
On the day Preston died, John was not in the house.
 
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