Preston Davey Trial

[MaineCoonMama]

I’m sure Sarah is his birth mum, looking on Facebook she also has a daughter who is older and she is still with the family, there are also posts from a man mentioning Preston being his baby boy and Sarah’s mum Debbie has also commented on it so this could potentially be his father? Not sure if I can post screenshots with names

Edited to add I think Preston’s father is also her daughters father too

I'd probably avoid posting names and photos of Preston's parents, they have nothing to do with what's happened to him. I wouldn't like my name or photo appearing in a gossip forum if I were in their situation.
I get that people are curious but they deserve what privacy they can get at this point.

 

[Mancnet]

I thought the person discussed would be his mum. I googled the name and area and found her and there’s a photo of her and the eyes are the same. Tragic that the grandma wasn’t allowed to have him if that’s all true

 

[rosieflowers]

I’m sure Sarah is his birth mum, looking on Facebook she also has a daughter who is older and she is still with the family, there are also posts from a man mentioning Preston being his baby boy and Sarah’s mum Debbie has also commented on it so this could potentially be his father? Not sure if I can post screenshots with names

Edited to add I think Preston’s father is also her daughters father too

All the children have P names dont they? I know the mum, dad and probably the gran are awful people too but I am just absolutely gutted for them, I can't imagine how the gran and siblings feel I hope justice is done. It is so wrong that Preston wasn't taken away from these two as soon as the hospital admissions started :'(

 

[YellowTail]

I'd probably avoid posting names and photos of Preston's parents, they have nothing to do with what's happened to him. I wouldn't like my name or photo appearing in a gossip forum if I were in their situation.
I get that people are curious but they deserve what privacy they can get at this point.

I totally agree. Preston’s relatives should be off limits during a live trial investigating his murder which we know they did not cause. Please remember, the trial is live and the first jury were discharged for reasons not in the public domain.

 

[Lolarose1994]

I totally agree. Preston’s relatives should be off limits during a live trial investigating his murder which we know they did not cause. Please remember, the trial is live and the first jury were discharged for reasons not in the public domain.

Yes I understand and agree which is why I questioned posting the screenshots now that the trial is live, it is well known within the area his birth family are from and they were public about it on social media around 2 years ago

 

[PaddyDomino]

This is an interesting article from 2018, talking about the case of Elsie Scully Hicks
It's written anonymously by a child protection social worker:

https://www.archive.is/oldest/https...ug/23/social-workers-adoption-system-failings

This case is very similar to Leiland James and Preston's, the adoptive parents changed her name, she was taken to hospital with a broken limb, and there were nasty texts from one adoptive parent, complaining about her and calling her all sorts of names

I found this part of the article interesting, it explains why there's such positive bias towards adoptive parents:

 

[Itchy of Itchington]

I think I can see which way Varley's defence is going and it will be interesting if he is questioned as a witness to see if this holds up. Witnesses are already agreeing that he was very dramatic, when questioned by his barrister. I suspect they're going to say "see how he jokes about killing John etc, it's just his dramatic sense of humour. Doesn't mean he killed this baby".

I read it as a man who wants to be the centre of everyone's attention. Taking the baby to a hotel to meet his colleagues (because I suspect the initial placement didn't allow him to have a load of visitors). The drama about overspending on the prom. I've had two maternity leaves and I visited my office once to show off my baby who was 8 weeks at that point. I then gave not one shiny tit about what was happening.

The text that's made me the most angry is that he refers to baby Preston as not being independent. FFS! How independent are 10 month old babies? Never mind ones born a month early with trauma and attachment issues and possible effects of alcohol and drug abuse in pregnancy. The baby was just another prop of the Jamie Varley show by the sound of it

 

[PaddyDomino]

I think I can see which way Varley's defence is going and it will be interesting if he is questioned as a witness to see if this holds up. Witnesses are already agreeing that he was very dramatic, when questioned by his barrister. I suspect they're going to say "see how he jokes about killing John etc, it's just his dramatic sense of humour. Doesn't mean he killed this baby".

I read it as a man who wants to be the centre of everyone's attention. Taking the baby to a hotel to meet his colleagues (because I suspect the initial placement didn't allow him to have a load of visitors). The drama about overspending on the prom. I've had two maternity leaves and I visited my office once to show off my baby who was 8 weeks at that point. I then gave not one shiny tit about what was happening.

The text that's made me the most angry is that he refers to baby Preston as not being independent. FFS! How independent are 10 month old babies? Never mind ones born a month early with trauma and attachment issues and possible effects of alcohol and drug abuse in pregnancy. The baby was just another prop of the Jamie Varley show by the sound of it

Yes, and I think the defence is going to argue that Preston had seizures, due to being exposed to drugs and alcohol in utero.
Maybe they will try and say he died from a seizure in the bath?
And any DNA found on Preston and on the cot is from sharing towels.

 

[sebanna]

Yes, and I think the defence is going to argue that Preston had seizures, due to being exposed to drugs and alcohol in utero.
Maybe they will try and say he died from a seizure in the bath?
And any DNA found on Preston and on the cot is from sharing towels.

There was sperm found on the cot bars so unless the defence are going to argue its been transfered by accident it looks very likely Preston was sexually abused.

I think the pathology evidence will be causes them to be found guilty. If there's strong evidence of non accidental injury and upper airway obstruction it would be hard for a jury to find them not guilty.

 

[maytoseptember]

I think the pathology evidence will be causes them to be found guilty. If there's strong evidence of non accidental injury and upper airway obstruction it would be hard for a jury to find them not guilty.

Agree, not to mention if semen was found internally as well as externally, there’s just no explaining that away is there?

I mean they can’t even explain away semen being present in or around the cot. Using a soiled towel on a baby is too gross to think about.

 

[nothinonyou]

There was sperm found on the cot bars so unless the defence are going to argue its been transfered by accident it looks very likely Preston was sexually abused.

I think the pathology evidence will be causes them to be found guilty. If there's strong evidence of non accidental injury and upper airway obstruction it would be hard for a jury to find them not guilty.

I saw in the live reporting I think yesterday or the day before they were describing these images (Preston slumped over the bars of the cot) and there was a close up of Preston's face which they said proved he was being sexually abused. I wonder what that might even be , I dread to think. I think he was also asleep in these images they said . It's just so depraved what I'm reading I can't even wrap my head around the details it's horrifying

 

[Liverbird2003]

I saw in the live reporting I think yesterday or the day before they were describing these images (Preston slumped over the bars of the cot) and there was a close up of Preston's face which they said proved he was being sexually abused. I wonder what that might even be , I dread to think. I think he was also asleep in these images they said . It's just so depraved what I'm reading I can't even wrap my head around the details it's horrifying

I can only think of one thing that would be on a photograph and could prove it but I can't bring myself to type it.

 

[IGiveUp22]

Yes, and I think the defence is going to argue that Preston had seizures, due to being exposed to drugs and alcohol in utero.
Maybe they will try and say he died from a seizure in the bath?
And any DNA found on Preston and on the cot is from sharing towels.

This is where I can see them currently going from the bits I’ve managed to catch however as someone else has pointed out, there is far more evidence to point towards sexual assault and effectively murder.
Im assuming this is how they will try explain away the photos though - they were taken for ‘medical purposes’ or to show the other one to see if they needed to take him to drs/hospital.

I find it interesting that they were taking him so much… Now I may have missed bits due to the paper I was initially following but like the runny eye he had they were straight onto the social worker asking if he needed to go to the drs etc. I do agree with whoever said ‘jay’ wanted/liked the attention of it all.

 

[maytoseptember]

I find it interesting that they were taking him so much… Now I may have missed bits due to the paper I was initially following but like the runny eye he had they were straight onto the social worker asking if he needed to go to the drs etc. I do agree with whoever said ‘jay’ wanted/liked the attention of it all.

My guess is Varley was consulting with professionals so often to disguise the abuse - never being reluctant to visit A&E, always with a story or photo/video evidence to explain injuries. It’s the oldest trick in the book and everyone should have been wise to it. I can’t think of many child abuse deaths that didn’t involve the abusers taking the child to A&E.

'I strangled him', baby murder accused 'told partner', court

A teacher accused of sexually assaulting and murdering a baby he was adopting texted his partner saying: 'Your son's in hospital, I strangled him', a court heard.

www.dailymail.com

This article mentions that they were at Blackpool hospital so often a senior nurse recognised them. Also alerting the adoption agency and Oldham social services. What strikes me is how quick the professionals were to reassure them that they had no concerns. Like the quote from @PaddyDomino above says, I get the impression that their status as adoptive parents (and also, I suspect, that they were men) made people eager to overlook red flags, not to mention patronise and coddle them. I mean the adoption case worker messaging “You did the right thing ”… well I don’t think she would have taken the same tone with a straight couple. I wonder if there was a temptation to think of them as slightly inept and with a lot to learn, because they were men.

 

[LouBug19]

I agree with others I dont think its fair to speculate about his birth Mum. We dont know her situation or what she's been through. She wouldn't have imagined her child would've been put into foster care and then adopted by absolute monsters. They were meant to keep in touch with the birth Mum but that would've stopped probably.

 

[Square Peg]

I think I can see which way Varley's defence is going and it will be interesting if he is questioned as a witness to see if this holds up. Witnesses are already agreeing that he was very dramatic, when questioned by his barrister. I suspect they're going to say "see how he jokes about killing John etc, it's just his dramatic sense of humour. Doesn't mean he killed this baby".

I read it as a man who wants to be the centre of everyone's attention. Taking the baby to a hotel to meet his colleagues (because I suspect the initial placement didn't allow him to have a load of visitors). The drama about overspending on the prom. I've had two maternity leaves and I visited my office once to show off my baby who was 8 weeks at that point. I then gave not one shiny tit about what was happening.

The text that's made me the most angry is that he refers to baby Preston as not being independent. FFS! How independent are 10 month old babies? Never mind ones born a month early with trauma and attachment issues and possible effects of alcohol and drug abuse in pregnancy. The baby was just another prop of the Jamie Varley show by the sound of it

Nail on the head, couldn’t agree more, the Jamie Varley show.

 

[Square Peg]

Agree, not to mention if semen was found internally as well as externally, there’s just no explaining that away is there?

I mean they can’t even explain away semen being present in or around the cot. Using a soiled towel on a baby is too gross to think about.

I was thinking if the men were in bed doing whatever then had to get up because Preston woke up, sperm could be on their hands and transfer. I hope the prosecution have definitive evidence.

 

[zogsmum]

I was thinking if the men were in bed doing whatever then had to get up because Preston woke up, sperm could be on their hands and transfer. I hope the prosecution have definitive evidence.

I really hope this is the case… but I doubt it considering the charges and evidence to say otherwise

 

[AladdinSane]

I think I can see which way Varley's defence is going and it will be interesting if he is questioned as a witness to see if this holds up. Witnesses are already agreeing that he was very dramatic, when questioned by his barrister. I suspect they're going to say "see how he jokes about killing John etc, it's just his dramatic sense of humour. Doesn't mean he killed this baby".

I read it as a man who wants to be the centre of everyone's attention. Taking the baby to a hotel to meet his colleagues (because I suspect the initial placement didn't allow him to have a load of visitors). The drama about overspending on the prom. I've had two maternity leaves and I visited my office once to show off my baby who was 8 weeks at that point. I then gave not one shiny tit about what was happening.

The text that's made me the most angry is that he refers to baby Preston as not being independent. FFS! How independent are 10 month old babies? Never mind ones born a month early with trauma and attachment issues and possible effects of alcohol and drug abuse in pregnancy. The baby was just another prop of the Jamie Varley show by the sound of it

I'm curious what the prosecution will have on his partner. From what I'm seeing at the moment, he seems to care more about Preston, and more of a bystander with everything else. I'm not sure. I think the pictures charge will also be (and I cant think of a better word so please forgive me) interesting as how much of it will be distribution/taking indecent images compared to parents communicating. I imagine thats what the defence will be. Urgh its just horrible.

 

[TheMiceInTheShed]

I really hope this is the case… but I doubt it considering the charges and evidence to say otherwise

Agree - I think that there is physical evidence - internal injures for instance - to indicate sexual abuse, otherwise the prosecution wouldn't have added this to the charges.