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nothinonyou

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I’ve not seen this before. This is terrible. Surely the social worker would have wondered (at least) if it was in Preston’s best interests to be visited at 6.30 am, not to mention the other looked after children’s interests. The 6.30 am appointment time imposed on the foster parents should have raised alarm bells. Even if Preston was an early riser, surely his morning wake up routine wouldn’t have been completed by that time? Surely, if he was up early enough to have completed his wake up routine, he’d have needed a nap around 8 am. The foster family could have come after that when he was refreshed and could enjoy the visit. How awful for the other vulnerable children, whose sleep needs were disregarded. I’m not pointing fingers at the foster parents here, I realise JV and JMF were calling the shots here and the foster parents had two choice - see him at that time, or they wouldn’t see him at all. How were they allowed to control everyone with what THEY wanted?
I think the ridiculously early time is
1. Hoping the foster parents cancel
2. If Preston is unwell the foster parents will put it down to it being ridiculously early and
3. Their way of saying "I really don't want this meeting to happen so I'll put it at a ridiculous time and hopefully you'll get the message".
 
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The drowning in the bath is a load of rubbish anyway. JV took a video of him peri-arrest earlier in the day and he had a babygro on-so would be before any bath and should have been the point where he was taken to hospital. If your baby is in such distress you ring an ambulance, you don’t ring your partner and wait for him to come home. The tests they did, blood gases and lactate showed baby had been down for much longer than what these two said so they’ve lied straight away. The fat beast JV sounds like a total selfish nightmare weeping and wailing and only bothered about getting sympathy and attention for himself. To have several professionals with experience of grieving parents describe someone in that situation as overly dramatic is a massive tell.
 
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catsandsoup

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I guarantee that adoption teams up and down the country are constantly told that they aren’t working hard enough to encourage potential adopters from diverse backgrounds. Which begs the question, are gay and BAME couples fast tracked through the system to tick some diversity boxes?

It should never be about not being heterosexual or not being white, it should be about who are the best, most informed, most secure people.

Seems to be a common thread in these stories of child murder that the “parents” (using scare quotes deliberately) were completely and utterly unprepared for the reality of caring for a distressed and traumatised infant who was a stranger to them. The fact we’ve had several cases like this over the last decade suggests that something has changed over the years. Easy to assume that the process of being approved is less vigorous, and babies are being inadequately safeguarded after placement.
I honestly feel as if parents in general, adoptive and birth, are less and less prepared for infants every year.

I don't know if it's because family size has shrunken since widespread contraception so people have less familiarity with infants until they have one, or whether it's the relatively ease of a life with more technological advances making adults lazier; but you'd think with knowledge easily available to everyone at any time that early years understanding would be better than ever; but people seem more and more expectant of having children as like completing a video game level (ticked the house, marriage and dog box, better have kids) and less and less capable of recognising the impact they have on children.

There's just this idea they're these pre-assigned personalities - a baby isn't crying because that's literally a baby's only way to communicate, they're 'spoilt' and 'annoying'. Also there's the narcissism that the parent is the 'main character', like I think sharing parental stressors is a good way to vent, but somewhere along the line, it's become acceptable for people to speak about having children as if it's something that happened to them, and not something they chose - or in these two's case, eagerly persuaded.

Gotta say, also a massive red flag that the partner was safeguarding lead - I work in a CYP field, and safeguarding is incredibly backward on this.

There's a lack of Asian and male applications, so our council explicitly welcomes applicants from either of these backgrounds, if not both, so males benefit from positive discrimination.

In addition, a DSL (designated safeguarding lead) is a role which generally means better pay as well as potentially promotion to SLT (senior leadership team), and titles and pay packets have long been thrown at men in education to keep them (see the glass escalator effect also seen in nursing.) rather than decided on applicant's trustworthiness with children. Safeguarding also brings you into contact with vulnerable pupils in a way that a standard teaching role may not.
 
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I started reading this trial on Monday and had to stop because it's just so unbelievably despicable that two humans can do this to a defenceless baby who has already experienced trauma being removed first from his mum then from his foster carers. I work in a job aligned with social care and so does my husband who used to be a court reporter. This is one of the worst cases I remember ever encountering for sheer cruelty and depravity.
In a weird way I'm glad this thread is here so that I'm not the only one reading this and thinking what the ever loving fuck?!
 
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dottynotty

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Also after videoing Preston struggling to breathe which he recorded and didn’t send to anyone or call for help he went on Facebook to message someone about buying their kayak. I literally can’t get my head around it. I think the hardest thing about this case is Preston is now dead and apart from the short time with his foster family he suffered and was failed and there’s no coming back from that, there’s no little boy having a nice time with a loving family and being three.
 
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LittleMy

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The bruise on his buttock appeared to be a human bite mark. Jfc they’re absolute beasts! 😡 😡
 
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Nelly's mum

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You took the words right out of my mouth. I bet there were whispers amongst the team that foster mum was overstepping the mark, demanding access to Preston, and why couldn’t she let Preston be now he was with his “proper” family, how dare she insinuate that there might be something amiss with the two dads, she’s probably stirring the pot because she’s a homophobe, and so on.
Years ago I used to go out with a man who was a single dad to his 3x (biological) children.
Other mums and teachers were so fawning to him, for doing something that a huge amount of mums do, myself included - looking after their own children - but women don't get a fraction of the appreciation that men get.

When you factor in that this was not one but two men, they were gay men no less, and they were adopting Preston, it is not difficult to imagine all the praise and understanding that was coming their way.
 
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catsandsoup

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How bizarre to judge someone in their professional role because of a profile picture.
Especially all this 'There's no good social worker!' stuff in a thread about two sexually abusive murderers. I hope heads do roll if social workers have been swayed too easily, its a job that calls for some cynicism unfortunately; but that poster sounds far more offended by someone being a social worker than Preston's death. If social workers do nothing else, the fear of them is what keeps some people from harming their kids (and partners) - as we saw in lockdown, some very abusive people felt safe venting their rage when social worker and police were restricted.
 
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codered

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As some people had predicted on here, the pathologist has produced the most damning evidence yet. I can’t bring myself to repeat it fully but she is able to say that the injuries to Preston were within the hours before his death. There is no getting out of this now for these two evil creatures.
 
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Padparadascha

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I think it should be illegal to profit off your child's image.

Ive never understood people who slag off their kids or film them having tantrums or private moments or share their medical information.

Its despicable.
 
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And yet again, Varley "tells" on himself - he whimpers when he sees me 😞
You can hear the anger in the police officer's voice, when you read this - good!
At last JV is being held accountable for his actions!
Not like those stupid heart emojis from that dimwit social worker 🤬
Could the pathologist find dna inside the body just thinking based of the dna stuff given the fact they are very specific in saying one count of sexual abuse by penetration and this not really linking up with the dna found on pants and toys is that where the 100% guilty will come into it by saying both there dna was found inside of his mouth or anus ? If that makes sence ?
A forensic swab could detect it. In the same way. However I seem to recall that in English law if a penis is used then it is referred to as rape but an object is used sexual assault by penetration.

Varley is a stupid man who thinks he is clever with the "oh the videos are to film him having a seizure". Well even more fucking reason to not leave a baby that has seizures alone in a bath you fat fucking pervert. None of his stories make sense and as he tries harder to make excuses they don't stack up. To be a good liar you have to have an excellent memory and be believable
 
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codered

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That was a really difficult to watch. He is still coming across as a practiced manipulator. It feels like a textbook DARVO move: positioning himself as the victim rather than focusing on Preston and Preston’s care in that moment. He should have wanted all hands on deck, not three-quarters of the hospital staff hovering around him.
I suspect the dramatics were largely intended to make it harder for anyone to question or scrutinise the details of what actually happened.
 
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DipsyDoodle

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Not his foster parents!

But his foster mother was brushed aside when she tried to raise the alarm. I'll bet she and her husband are destroyed by this, all of the dreadful details. It's unbearable for us - that woman held him and loved him and comfort him for the best part of a year, and let him go to a couple she thought would do the same. This must have torn the heart out of her.
I can't imagine being a foster parent, it must be so hard at times having looked after a child as part of your family and then have to hand them over to someone else. But you can imagine she was probably really pleased that Preston had been matched with his new parents, a nice middle class couple with a lovely house and respectable jobs. She will have thought he was going on to live a full life where he was loved and nurtured, after all surely anyone who undertakes the process of adopting must be serious about wanting a child in their lives. Instead she was pushed out, accused of "spoiling" Preston and not looking after him properly, all because this pair of absolute demons didn't want her poking around and raising concerns about the bruises and injuries.
 
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Here2BNosey

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How DO you go from normal gay guy to prolific abuser of a baby in so little time unless you had those proclivities already there.
I believe that proof will come out that they had these fantasies for a long time.

But, my question is, if he was such a shit actor at the hospital where it was transparent he was faking, how was it he fooled those during the adoption process?
Because he was cool, calm, collected JV during the adoption process, a man in control. A man who knew he had others seemingly eating from the palm of his hand.

By the time of the hospital he was a desperate man in a state of extreme panic for himself. I dont think it was acting as such, I think he was in a complete meltdown. His brain was so disregilulated he was randomly shouting out things. I dont think it was acting, more leakage he couldn't control.
 
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scantysandwich

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I remember seeing something about JV denying charges of 7 counts of possession of extreme pornograhy between 2017 and 2023. These were separate to the ones of Preston. But I saw that early on, in BBC reporting if I remember correctly. The CPS don’t appear to have listed this on their charging information though so maybe they dropped those charges.

ETA - found it.

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I think that may have been the case before 2003. It would be interesting to know if in reality sentencing reflects that they are of equal seriousness under the law.

I’ve been poor at putting distressing details behind spoilers, and this is a really upsetting case so I’ll be better going forward.

JV is charged with two counts of assault by penetration. This means the prosecution believe he used an object or body part other than his penis to penetrate Preston’s anus specifically. Each count alleges a distinct incident and each count requires a verdict from the jury. They believe one incident was on the day of his murder and the other I’m not sure about. They must have good reason to believe it happened more than once.
They do carry the same sentences. Occasionally there is a campaign to change the law in England so that SA with an object is called rape but the argument against it is that they carry the same sentence in recognition. It's not a lesser charge and both are equally distressing for the victim. I was SAd as a child by an older child/teen and that messed me up much more than a later "date rape".

I noticed that Varley claimed that Preston was not a well baby and the "foster carer missed a lot". Except he is forgetting that Preston had a medical by an experienced doctor just before he was placed with them. There's a long list of people who can't do their jobs properly according to JV starting with the foster carer who had done it for decades, to the hospital staff and now the police and the pathologists. I bet he will be furious if his defence has appointed expert witnesses who disagree with his narrative. He has very strong control issues. I am very interested to see what John will say in his interviews
 
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Lyla001

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His responses in the police interview remind me of Savannah Brockhill. Arrogant twat who thinks he’s smart but really isn’t. I expect he may give evidence as he is the type to think he can win over a jury.
Totally agree with you. But he's going to be arrogant isn't he? . He's had all these agencies fawning over him and his vile partner, whilst carrying out sickening abuse on this little boy. Red flag after flag , hospital visits the lot. Colleagues undertaking 'welfare checks' on HIM.Nothing happened. Absolutely nothing. Even had the nerve to bad mouth Prestons lovely foster mum when she raised concerns. Covert manipulator right there. I hope he takes the stand and they absolutely wipe the floor with him. Bastard
 
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Upintheair83

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Some of the updates today and yesterday made my stomach drop. That poor baby boy. I cannot even fathom the suffering he had to endure. Just devastating 💔
There are some things that you read or hear that truly makes you want to get off the earth. Truly....what have we become? As a race, to do this to our most innocent and vulnerable? I can't and don't understand. I feel complete despair at times.
 
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Shinythings

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I’m just having a read of the live reporting for today. I’m quite taken aback by how rushed the adoption process seemed to be. Considering those two had no experience, with one of them not even able to hold him properly. Children in these situations are extremely vulnerable and should never just be handed out to any Tom, Dick or Harry. What a fuck up.
Dare I say it, but I suspect it was rushed through to look diverse. I know two couples going through the process and it's been years and they would make the most wonderful parents.
 
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