Im sure jv said he was trying to keep him awake so he had a lie in on his bday...which i thought was a weird thing to say. Jmf didnt get bk from work until 2am
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A small thing but did anyone else pick up these details? It seems there were other things that were filmed/photographed which were obviously not considered serious enough to be reported but were discussed in court?
Guessing but I imagine the 'swing' and 'pram on rocky ground' were borderline inappropriate too but because they were shared with his mum they were OK?
Guessing but I imagine the 'swing' and 'pram on rocky ground' were borderline inappropriate too but because they were shared with his mum they were OK?
Jesus the more I read the more I think JV was trying to kill him and pass it off as an accident, just every day trying a different thing - leaving him in the bath, leaving him facedown in a paddling pool, sand pit etc and obviously restricting his airways and the sexual abuse. Just the most chaotic, traumatic and devious behaviours from the get go towards a tiny baby
The fact that he opened the timer app on his phone on that last afternoon suggests to me that he'd restricted Preston's airways before, he was probably gradually extending the time seeing how long he could get away with 
Which as any decent human being knows is absolute bull.
A baby doesn't know it's their birthday, and they don't know what a lie-in is. FFS. I hope the jury can see in and out through both of them.
I do vaguely remember hearing something about the swings and whether it was age appropriate but definitely not heard anything about a pram on a rocky path.
I was foreperson when I did jury service because, and I quote, “you are the only one taking notes”
I was the youngest person there, I must have been 25. I also thought the attitudes of the other jury members wasn’t great - they just wanted to get things over with so deliberation was very short. I wasn’t comfortable with that, although I was comfortable with the verdict. It was a very weird case, more suited to Jeremy Kyle than a crown court.
The facts are Preston wasn't hidden away, he was in front of professionals all the time. My point was there isn't any point adding in more professionals if they aren't going to speak to each other.We had to pick our foreperson, as our very first task. The last guy to be selected for the jury, volunteered and he was very good. When it came to deliberation, he made sure everyone had a chance to speak and so on. Everyone, in fairness, wanted to do things right, and there was a lot of discussion.
Slight variation in Irish courts, from what some of you have described in your experience as the foreperson, he did not have to speak much at all, in court. He wrote down the verdict. Then when when we went back in, he was formally asked by the judge had we reached a verdict, had he written it down, and had he signed the sheet. He replied yes to all three questions, then had to hand the sheet to a court official, and they read out the charges and the verdict.
It was, as I said in previous posts nothing like this case, thankfully, but it's still quite draining. I feel for the jury, they must be exhausted as well as everything else.
Slight variation in Irish courts, from what some of you have described in your experience as the foreperson, he did not have to speak much at all, in court. He wrote down the verdict. Then when when we went back in, he was formally asked by the judge had we reached a verdict, had he written it down, and had he signed the sheet. He replied yes to all three questions, then had to hand the sheet to a court official, and they read out the charges and the verdict.
It was, as I said in previous posts nothing like this case, thankfully, but it's still quite draining. I feel for the jury, they must be exhausted as well as everything else.
But perhaps there's some satisfying irony in the fact that the multiple photos and recordings of poor little Preston in will be the very undoing of them, awful to see as they have been.
Yes there were definitely questions about swings. I remember them saying Preston didn’t look happy or like he was enjoying it so JV was obviously doing it way too hard/high.
When I did it, there was only one person who had done it before, so we picked him.I was foreperson when I did jury service because, and I quote, “you are the only one taking notes”
I was the youngest person there, I must have been 25. I also thought the attitudes of the other jury members wasn’t great - they just wanted to get things over with so deliberation was very short. I wasn’t comfortable with that, although I was comfortable with the verdict. It was a very weird case, more suited to Jeremy Kyle than a crown court.
I thought the judge didn't emphasise things that I would certainly have stressed, but I think you are right. The evidence will speak for itself and it means that they couldn't later claim that the judge "had it in for them" and had directed against them, and use this to try to appeal. Maybe there's method in what appears to us to be judicial madness. I hope so.
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Poor little Star!
How are there so many horrible men in the world, and so many women who will put some b of a bloke before their baby?
That was mums girlfriend who did that to Star.Oh
Poor little Star!
How are there so many horrible men in the world, and so many women who will put some b of a bloke before their baby?
This was a same sex relationship. Savannah Brockhill was convicted of the murder. But still, Frankie put the relationship first.Oh
Poor little Star!
How are there so many horrible men in the world, and so many women who will put some b of a bloke before their baby?
I think JV will be found guilty very quickly but do think they will take time deliberating JMF more. It felt there was a lot of emphasis on him not being there for a lot of the offences
I hope the jury don’t need it spelling out to them that squeezing a baby like toothpaste is unlikely to perforate the bowel, cause bladder bruising and the injury to his bottom 
they’ve literally offered no other explanation and JV invented it on the stand.
they’ve literally offered no other explanation and JV invented it on the stand.I'm going to be interested in the verdict for JMF. I don't see anyone hearing all of the evidence and thinking there is any doubt JV is guilty, never mind reasonable doubt.
I do worry though as there has been less focus on JMF given the nature of the case against him being more circumstantial and that he was present. While us that have followed it can see the sense in that JMF is guilty, I hope that it has been clear in court to help the jurors inform their decision
I do worry though as there has been less focus on JMF given the nature of the case against him being more circumstantial and that he was present. While us that have followed it can see the sense in that JMF is guilty, I hope that it has been clear in court to help the jurors inform their decision
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