I hope it isn't a fast return.
I don't want to hear a lawyer in a few weeks claiming that the jury didn't properly deliberate the evidence but just acted on emotion.
I want these POS convicted and sent down for life.
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I don't want to hear a lawyer in a few weeks claiming that the jury didn't properly deliberate the evidence but just acted on emotion.
I want these POS convicted and sent down for life.
I keep thinking of JMF's opening comments about their relationship and the impact P's arrival had. He tries to brush over it but he says they argued about sex and it was clear it was JV who wanted more, which makes sense as he was needy in every way.
Sorry for the loss of your precious boy
It was similar when my nephew went in to cardiac arrest (and died) at home. Although he had known cardiac issues, the police were there from the minute the 999 call was made until later the next day after they’d managed to speak to his mum at home and understand what had happened.
I think any death of a child that isn’t expected is treated the same until basic facts are established - and thank god thats the case otherwise these cretins would have been able to go home and dispose of vital evidence like their phones, the jizzy sex toys, towels and cot etc before Preston’s post mortem showed what had really happened.
I think the only difference between JV & JMF is that JMF wasn't "stupid" enough to take any incriminating photographic evidence of any indecent images of himself or Preston.
JV however couldn't help but have some mementos (yet knew to keep them not so graphic they're obvious in case he needs to explain them).
I don't believe JMF when he says there was no reaction to an arm break, I don't believe he saw Preston breathing at all when he got home that day, and I don't believe his "sexual DNA" was on Preston's cot and clothes due to them living in the same house.
JV however couldn't help but have some mementos (yet knew to keep them not so graphic they're obvious in case he needs to explain them).
I don't believe JMF when he says there was no reaction to an arm break, I don't believe he saw Preston breathing at all when he got home that day, and I don't believe his "sexual DNA" was on Preston's cot and clothes due to them living in the same house.
Praying this can be the next thread title because he’s been given one!Bloody Norah a Whole Life Order
Jeez I’m still thinking about that bombshell @Tofino !!
Your overly dramatic husband shouts to you hurry up I need help and your conscious, upright child with severe reflux is being really sick and you walk in and know your life is over?
Such a huge flaw! Even the huge performative account of the smell of all the sick. Well they’ve described him being sick extremely frequently. Sick that morning before they left. Sick all over JV at his mums. Sick in the night. So the sick is some huge stand out core memory despite it happening all the time but JV doing all this cpr and bashing him on the back and shoving his hands down his throat has only come to him recently.
Get in the bin!!
Your overly dramatic husband shouts to you hurry up I need help and your conscious, upright child with severe reflux is being really sick and you walk in and know your life is over?
Such a huge flaw! Even the huge performative account of the smell of all the sick. Well they’ve described him being sick extremely frequently. Sick that morning before they left. Sick all over JV at his mums. Sick in the night. So the sick is some huge stand out core memory despite it happening all the time but JV doing all this cpr and bashing him on the back and shoving his hands down his throat has only come to him recently.
Get in the bin!!
I remember him saying he deleted a video because it was pointless. He definitely did.
‘A scene I didn’t expect to see’ isn’t necessarily how I would describe my baby being sick if I was also sure he was conscious. They’re quite over dramatic about the wrong situations, and then equally dismissive about being accused of SA and killing that same baby. And like many have pointed out, no actual emotion shown for this poor little baby. They’re rubbish actors and I would like to assume that nobody on that jury is falling for any of it.
I think JV has really sadistic tendencies, things like filming Preston left in the bath for ages are forms of torture (maybe torment is a better description) as a baby he can’t do anything at all but lie there in the same position, a bath isn't very comfortable, the water gets cooler. I think he really gets off on the “helplessness” and that’s why he had so many videos because he liked to replay them 
Torfino you should be a professional juror. I have followed other threads where your observations are so insightful it’s unreal
Given the water was up to Preston's face, he wasn't in a bath seat and had no supervision the odds were high that the video could have captured a drowning. Whether that occured to JV?I think JV has really sadistic tendencies, things like filming Preston left in the bath for ages are forms of torture (maybe torment is a better description) as a baby he can’t do anything at all but lie there in the same position, a bath isn't very comfortable, the water gets cooler. I think he really gets off on the “helplessness” and that’s why he had so many videos because he liked to replay them
I hope this is prosecution case they knew those 2 would talk in circles and will now just give a very detailed time line with the discrepancies highlighted.
Also possible.
But the videos that were kept include the spinning cup as well. 14mins and 25 mins long. That’s really unusually long.
Yes, I feel for jurors having to sit through them, it's a long time to watch a helpless baby suffering.
I thought I'd seen this somewhere! When it was reported JV began CPR in the house I felt sure one of them had said it started in the car but I couldn't find it. So many discrepancies, new details to fit evidence, pointless embellishments every time they speak. In some ways I think JMF has done worse on the stand than JV.
I'm in agreement with those saying deliberations will take a while but they will be found guilty of everything.
So JMF’s LinkedIn lists first aid as his skills and yet he didn’t attempt CPR??!!!!!
Here are the relevant bits from the police interview in June 2025. JMF really isn’t that clever when you see it like this.
Behind a spoiler just due to length. It looks like he was asked multiple times about the events which is why it looks repeated. But quite a contrast to what we heard today! With the CPR nonsense and how “terrified” he was.
Behind a spoiler just due to length. It looks like he was asked multiple times about the events which is why it looks repeated. But quite a contrast to what we heard today! With the CPR nonsense and how “terrified” he was.
