Preston Davey Trial #4

[RachAgnes]

Preston’s death didn’t look like a drowning to the medical staff and he was bruised (staff said in testimony they could tell it was a slap) plus his previous visits made them call the police. I think they do call the police regardless though even if they believe the child has drowned, just to make sure it isn’t through neglect or abuse.

My son died at home from a seizure (many years ago) in his sleep, just before his second birthday. We had called an ambulance, and by the time we got to the hospital both my husband and I had separate police officers with us for all of the time we were at the hospital. They also removed my infant daughter and took her to the children's ward. Whilst we were at the hospital the police also conducted a search of our home, where they seized things like baby bottles that were waiting to be washed and his bedding. As my son had a history of repeated, prolonged seizures, confirmed by the doctors at the hospital, we were free to go once everything was over. So I can see how they were arrested immediately.

Just to say, all.of the above was done very sensitively - and it felt like my police officer was there to offer support, rather than to be 'watching' me

 

[Ray_of_Sunshine]

Don’t fall for it. It’s for sympathy. Poor little fragile Jamie suffering from his make believe “post adoption depression” 4 months in with a baby he apparently so desperately wanted and hadn’t even bonded with yet. I’ve never heard such tripe. Completely different to having a biological baby and PND or post partum psychosis - he’s making a mockery out of very serious conditions that women suffer from. He’s an attention seeking crap bag. I wouldn’t be surprised if he lapped up the attention he was getting for the constant histrionics and how his baby was a nightmare and what was it he said? Annoying. Woe is me how hard for him. The constant hospital and GP visits, ringing and texting the incompetent social worker at all hours. Not just to try and get ahead and hide the abuse but because he enjoyed the limelight and special treatment he was getting from all these enabling arseholes. Fuck him.

 

[ChastityDingle]

All I can say is I wish the jury every strength.

I have never heard/ read of such depravity. And I didn't even listen to podcasts or read anything outside of the threads. They have had to sit and listen to every detail, look at evidence, and see and hear that pair of scumbags sitting across from them. When they go to deliberate, they will have to assess stuff that most of us cannot even begin to imagine having to discuss.

I genuinely wish them every strength. Too late for that beautiful innocent little baby, but I hope that justice will be served.

 

[Happytobedivorced]

Have a bit of empathy before sending such a mean post. This poster is really struggling, and although I’m sure her husband would be horrified if he knew what her brain was telling her, he probably isn’t that fussed about missing out on some of the drudge work of parenting.

Hard agree.
I mentioned on an earlier thread that I am a survivor of SA. I was very protective of my children but (I hope) kept it mostly in proportion so they didn’t feel my fear.
However, if my husband bathed them and it seemed to take longer than normal, I would find an excuse to go
upstairs (laundry etc) to check on them.
I had zero fears that he would hurt them but these reactions aren’t the kind you can control and it can become a thought you just can’t escape.

 

[VeniVidiVicki]

The fact that they avoided meetings with Preston’s foster mum and put in a complaint about her when (afaik) she had a blameless lengthy record of fostering should have been a massive red flag.

I think there’s a lot of classism at play in this case. I may have said it before but the more I read, the more I think the SW was blinded by the nice middle class men with a tasteful home. The lovely foster parents I know are all working class salt of the earth people. They’re not well educated but they care enormously for the kids. Fostering babies and small children is not very well paid considering how time consuming it is.

SWs involved in adoptions should all be grizzled old timers. Not the sort of people who are going to send heart emojis over WhatsApp to adoptive parents. Their role is not friend. It’s to make sure the child is being looked after. Until the adoption is formalised, the child is a ward of the state. Social services failed Preston very badly

 

[Rexlux30]

Can I just say this tattle thread is the most genuinely caring and honest thread about this horrible case. It's really helped me to not feel alone with the horrendous nature of it all. Thank you x

 

[2ofeach]

I havent been able to follow the case daily because honestly it triggers my OCD and I found myself being unable to even leave my son in a room without me. To the point I havent allowed my husband to change a nappy for weeks and he is an incredible man and father. But this case has absolute broken my heart. Its devastating that had people done their jobs properly the outcome could have been different.

This comes from a good place but I honestly think you should step away for a short while. The case will soon be over & as we all expect, more horrific details around Prestons life with these 2 monsters will be released & haunt us more than we can ever imagine.

The bit in bold REALLY bothers me.
I'm pretty certain your husband has no idea you're removing access & help regarding nappy changes because of this case & if he knew why I can't imagine he'd be happy or understanding, he'd likely be devastated you'd liken him to such depraved thoughts or actions.

This case is so tragic & if our minds are weary & fragile self care is a huge priority right now.
The thread will still be here once you're (all of us collectively) ready to catch up.

 

[Rayne]

He keeps going on and on about how he was making Sunday lunch when JV called him to look at Preston slumped over the cot so he couldn’t have possibly sexually assaulted him.
I think it’s a lie because he’s doing that thing that liars do and over sharing to the point where I know that JV likes chicken because it was specifically mentioned the other day. You’re on trial for sexually abusing a baby to death but you’re talking about how JV likes roast chicken in your testimony 🫠

 

[watermelonvapes]

It doesn’t seem like the maximum sentence is given often in these cases though. In one local to me they both got less than 2 years.

I had a friend in secondary school. When we were 16, we went back to school after the summer and she disclosed to me that her adoptive father had been raping her since she was a small child. She had told her mother and they had gone to report him. A couple years went by and I was always waiting to hear what sentence he would get, in my naive mind it was going to be the front of every newspaper for weeks. It was a measly one or two paragraph article, he got about 3 years and served about 18 months. His parents allowed him home to their house and he was around nieces and nephews. She went on to have two children taken into care and as far as I know is still in active drug addiction. We're just not angry enough, I think because it just doesn't get the media attention, possibly because it makes people feel too sick to the stomach and it's easier to flick it away from your mind. I'm always unsure about pedalo vigilantes, mainly because they always come across to me as just angry men looking for an outlet for their anger and they don't seem suitable candidates to deliver justice to anyone. But... the law certainly doesn't

 

[Moronic]

Only 4 fucking months he was there. Why was this such a common and constant fucking theme. It’s not right. Freaks.

Exactly! It takes time for anyone to build a comfortable bond with a baby, whether it’s adoption or natural most parents are so cautious at first.

But these two were such comfortable easy going ‘dads’ they were bathing with him round the clock, letting him eat naked, taking non stop pics of his genitals, getting in the hot tub with him, talking to other people about his genitals.

All of this in 4 months. It’s not normal.

 

[Helen_m007]

I'm actually lost for words!

JMF on the stand so far is absolute bat shit!

So, you are so 'in love' with someone and far too busy to properly check the distressing videos you have been sent - due to your partner being sassy/an attention seeker, and you being busy at work.

You have attended multiple hospital visits, as ' your little one ' suddenly presents with seizures and Injuries - even though they didn't all throughout their time in foster care

Your treasured and loved son actually dies

You are questioned

You distance yourself from your partner

Then you return to a relationship with them again, live together and get a new job.

Then you are arrested, told and shown really horrific and sinister things.

You attended court and apparently see baby Preston being left in a bath for 14 min and all the other evidence ( his horrific injuries)' for the first time'.

How could you not be screaming out about how much has been kept from you? About how much baby Preston must have suffered and how manipulated and kept in the dark you have been?

How did this lying piece of not go into histrionics on seeing and hearing what we haven't had the full,excruciating, details of ' for the first time' ?

How is he even daring to remain so calm and only show true upset for himself?

How can he still spin JM in the loving, protective father light?

They are both as bad as each other in my opinion.

I also think that JM has hinted that his mum's partner also saw Preston that day, I wouldn't be suprised if he somehow tried to appeal and blame someone else.

They are both sniveling conniving, peverted, psychopaths.

Studying for a PHD at one point in his life and he can't see where this evidence is pointing ... To me he also needs a life order. They are both insulting anyone that loved or cared for Preston, the proffesionals involved with this case and the general public.

Sorry for the rant

 

[TheMiceInTheShed]

Sorry this is going to be a really awful question but...

Surely a baby of his age would bite down if having something forced in his mouth? I'm wondering how they would have stopped this from happening? Is that why they used to make him exhausted so he would be so tired he wouldn't? Were they drugging him?

Adult women who are orally raped aren't able to bite down. The gag reflex makes you want to try to vomit; not being able to breath makes you want to prioritise getting air into your lungs over fighting back. This is instinctive. For most people (of any age, I imagine) survival instinct kicks in. (And think of a baby's tiny mouth and airway having that thing forced into it. Terrified, choking - biting down is probably the last thing he could think of . He won't have had a full set of teeth either - probably about 4 or so. He couldn't defend himself in any way. He was tiny.

and fWIW, I wouldn't give a pre-verbal child into the care of two men, either, particularly when they hadn't been a couple for very long.

Not homophobic - if anything it's misandrist. I just don't think that men have the same nurturing instinct that most women do. Hate me as much as you like, it's my gut feeling and I stick by it.

 

[Pulltheotherone]

Tattle really should have an automatic WTF button for this utter nonsense.

 

[maytoseptember]

Your poor husband

Have a bit of empathy before sending such a mean post. This poster is really struggling, and although I’m sure her husband would be horrified if he knew what her brain was telling her, he probably isn’t that fussed about missing out on some of the drudge work of parenting.

 

[Emsie]

I'm actually lost for words!

JMF on the stand so far is absolute bat shit!

So, you are so 'in love' with someone and far too busy to properly check the distressing videos you have been sent - due to your partner being sassy/an attention seeker, and you being busy at work.

You have attended multiple hospital visits, as ' your little one ' suddenly presents with seizures and Injuries - even though they didn't all throughout their time in foster care

Your treasured and loved son actually dies

You are questioned

You distance yourself from your partner

Then you return to a relationship with them again, live together and get a new job.

Then you are arrested, told and shown really horrific and sinister things.

You attended court and apparently see baby Preston being left in a bath for 14 min and all the other evidence ( his horrific injuries)' for the first time'.

How could you not be screaming out about how much has been kept from you? About how much baby Preston must have suffered and how manipulated and kept in the dark you have been?

How did this lying piece of not go into histrionics on seeing and hearing what we haven't had the full,excruciating, details of ' for the first time' ?

How is he even daring to remain so calm and only show true upset for himself?

How can he still spin JM in the loving, protective father light?

They are both as bad as each other in my opinion.

I also think that JM has hinted that his mum's partner also saw Preston that day, I wouldn't be suprised if he somehow tried to appeal and blame someone else.

They are both sniveling conniving, peverted, psychopaths.

Studying for a PHD at one point in his life and he can't see where this evidence is pointing ... To me he also needs a life order. They are both insulting anyone that loved or cared for Preston, the proffesionals involved with this case and the general public.

Sorry for the rant

This is actually spot on. Let's give JMF the benefit of the doubt for one tiny moment. He knew nothing, everything was fiiiine. Then why isnt he as utterly horrified by this as we all are! Why isn't he baying for blood! Why isn't he shouting lock this disgusting pdf up and throw away the key. Nah instead it's sassy and silly and dramatic oh JV what are you like.
Disgusting.

 

[maytoseptember]

I see he’s trying to go for a very florid description of copious vomiting, the awful smell etc, but I don’t understand why JV would be in front of Preston trying to remove vomit from his airway, if Preston was already upright and projectile vomiting so hard it was coming out of his mouth and nose. There would have been no concern around him choking if he was already upright, and the vomit was coming out with a lot of force. Besides, all you’d need to do is tip him forward to allow the vomit to drain out. Absolutely no need to force a finger inside his mouth, which would do more harm than good in terms of choking and aspiration.

I mean it’s a lie, we know it’s a lie, but it’s a nonsensical one too.

 

[Miscanthus]

I presumed it would fit for a WLO as a murder of a child with sexual motivation?

Those vile excuses for humans who murdered Sarah Sharif didn't get whole life orders despite causing 70 injuries and 25 broken bones over 2 years of neglect and torture. There was an appeal against the leniency of the sentence (father got 40 years) but it was rejected.
I know there was no sexual element but what they did to that beautiful girl was disgusting and horrific. I followed it on here and it will haunt me forever.

 

[pixieroo]

Mr McGowan-Fazakerley says he left the Salford office just after 4.45pm. There was a 36-minute phone call at 17.45 - the defendant explains he would always call on the way home from work.

‘I remember calling him and having that conversation. I said I’m on my way home. Do you need me to stop at Tesco's to get anything? He said no, I’ve got dinner sorted, come straight home Beautiful.’

He says he didn’t say anything about Preston being unwell.

‘I remember he was very happy and cheerful. It was a happy, normal conversation. Nothing was said’, he says.

36 MINUTE PHONE CALL?! What a load of (awful) bollocks.

ETA: The next update says GPS has him getting home at 6.15pm - surely this would mean the 36minute phonecall took them all the way up to him arriving home, and so JV couldn't have been trying to help Preston and also how could he have not told JMF that he was unwell?
Am I misunderstanding?

 

[Itchy of Itchington]

If the doctor had flagged it as NAI then this would’ve started protective action from the local authority so I agree. I don’t think a child protection medical was undertaken which would’ve meant a full body examination which may have then found other injuries. There has been a huge failing and lack of professional curiosity from everyone involved - if these were birth parents the hospital attendances would’ve raised concern re lack of supervision at a minimum.

It's the Victoria Hospital in Blackpool isn't it? That hospital has a terrible history of failing to protect patients. A woman was sexually assaulted on a ward and bled to death from her injuries. And several other possible victims

Blackpool Victoria Hospital: Healthcare worker questioned over rapes

A man previously held on suspicion of murder and rape is questioned over further offences at a hospital.

www.bbc.co.uk

A different rapist worked there as a doctor

Rape-accused Blackpool doctor faces sanction appeal hearing

The General Medical Council is given permission to seek the striking off of Dr Aloaye Foy-Yamah.

www.bbc.co.uk

There were also staff drugging patients who they didn't want to have to deal with

Blackpool nurse and colleague jailed over drugging patients

Catherine Hudson, 54, and Charlotte Wilmot, 48, conspired to unlawfully drug a patient at a hospital.

www.bbc.co.uk

Unsurprisingly it's not considered safe by the CQC and it's overall rating is inadequate.

 

[Tofino]

This was the very last thing that was reported before they said he had finished giving evidence.

He supposedly just walked in on Preston sitting up but conscious with a lot of sickness. Why would he react like this? I expect this is true reaction on walking in to a dead baby and realising he’s in the shit.