Preston Davey Trial #4

[RachAgnes]

Preston’s death didn’t look like a drowning to the medical staff and he was bruised (staff said in testimony they could tell it was a slap) plus his previous visits made them call the police. I think they do call the police regardless though even if they believe the child has drowned, just to make sure it isn’t through neglect or abuse.

My son died at home from a seizure (many years ago) in his sleep, just before his second birthday. We had called an ambulance, and by the time we got to the hospital both my husband and I had separate police officers with us for all of the time we were at the hospital. They also removed my infant daughter and took her to the children's ward. Whilst we were at the hospital the police also conducted a search of our home, where they seized things like baby bottles that were waiting to be washed and his bedding. As my son had a history of repeated, prolonged seizures, confirmed by the doctors at the hospital, we were free to go once everything was over. So I can see how they were arrested immediately.

Just to say, all.of the above was done very sensitively - and it felt like my police officer was there to offer support, rather than to be 'watching' me

 

[Ray_of_Sunshine]

Don’t fall for it. It’s for sympathy. Poor little fragile Jamie suffering from his make believe “post adoption depression” 4 months in with a baby he apparently so desperately wanted and hadn’t even bonded with yet. I’ve never heard such tripe. Completely different to having a biological baby and PND or post partum psychosis - he’s making a mockery out of very serious conditions that women suffer from. He’s an attention seeking crap bag. I wouldn’t be surprised if he lapped up the attention he was getting for the constant histrionics and how his baby was a nightmare and what was it he said? Annoying. Woe is me how hard for him. The constant hospital and GP visits, ringing and texting the incompetent social worker at all hours. Not just to try and get ahead and hide the abuse but because he enjoyed the limelight and special treatment he was getting from all these enabling arseholes. Fuck him.

 

[Rayne]

He keeps going on and on about how he was making Sunday lunch when JV called him to look at Preston slumped over the cot so he couldn’t have possibly sexually assaulted him.
I think it’s a lie because he’s doing that thing that liars do and over sharing to the point where I know that JV likes chicken because it was specifically mentioned the other day. You’re on trial for sexually abusing a baby to death but you’re talking about how JV likes roast chicken in your testimony 🫠

 

[Helen_m007]

I'm actually lost for words!

JMF on the stand so far is absolute bat shit!

So, you are so 'in love' with someone and far too busy to properly check the distressing videos you have been sent - due to your partner being sassy/an attention seeker, and you being busy at work.

You have attended multiple hospital visits, as ' your little one ' suddenly presents with seizures and Injuries - even though they didn't all throughout their time in foster care

Your treasured and loved son actually dies

You are questioned

You distance yourself from your partner

Then you return to a relationship with them again, live together and get a new job.

Then you are arrested, told and shown really horrific and sinister things.

You attended court and apparently see baby Preston being left in a bath for 14 min and all the other evidence ( his horrific injuries)' for the first time'.

How could you not be screaming out about how much has been kept from you? About how much baby Preston must have suffered and how manipulated and kept in the dark you have been?

How did this lying piece of not go into histrionics on seeing and hearing what we haven't had the full,excruciating, details of ' for the first time' ?

How is he even daring to remain so calm and only show true upset for himself?

How can he still spin JM in the loving, protective father light?

They are both as bad as each other in my opinion.

I also think that JM has hinted that his mum's partner also saw Preston that day, I wouldn't be suprised if he somehow tried to appeal and blame someone else.

They are both sniveling conniving, peverted, psychopaths.

Studying for a PHD at one point in his life and he can't see where this evidence is pointing ... To me he also needs a life order. They are both insulting anyone that loved or cared for Preston, the proffesionals involved with this case and the general public.

Sorry for the rant

 

[Moronic]

Only 4 fucking months he was there. Why was this such a common and constant fucking theme. It’s not right. Freaks.

Exactly! It takes time for anyone to build a comfortable bond with a baby, whether it’s adoption or natural most parents are so cautious at first.

But these two were such comfortable easy going ‘dads’ they were bathing with him round the clock, letting him eat naked, taking non stop pics of his genitals, getting in the hot tub with him, talking to other people about his genitals.

All of this in 4 months. It’s not normal.

 

[maytoseptember]

I see he’s trying to go for a very florid description of copious vomiting, the awful smell etc, but I don’t understand why JV would be in front of Preston trying to remove vomit from his airway, if Preston was already upright and projectile vomiting so hard it was coming out of his mouth and nose. There would have been no concern around him choking if he was already upright, and the vomit was coming out with a lot of force. Besides, all you’d need to do is tip him forward to allow the vomit to drain out. Absolutely no need to force a finger inside his mouth, which would do more harm than good in terms of choking and aspiration.

I mean it’s a lie, we know it’s a lie, but it’s a nonsensical one too.

 

[pixieroo]

Mr McGowan-Fazakerley says he left the Salford office just after 4.45pm. There was a 36-minute phone call at 17.45 - the defendant explains he would always call on the way home from work.

‘I remember calling him and having that conversation. I said I’m on my way home. Do you need me to stop at Tesco's to get anything? He said no, I’ve got dinner sorted, come straight home Beautiful.’

He says he didn’t say anything about Preston being unwell.

‘I remember he was very happy and cheerful. It was a happy, normal conversation. Nothing was said’, he says.

36 MINUTE PHONE CALL?! What a load of (awful) bollocks.

ETA: The next update says GPS has him getting home at 6.15pm - surely this would mean the 36minute phonecall took them all the way up to him arriving home, and so JV couldn't have been trying to help Preston and also how could he have not told JMF that he was unwell?
Am I misunderstanding?

 

[Emsie]

I'm actually lost for words!

JMF on the stand so far is absolute bat shit!

So, you are so 'in love' with someone and far too busy to properly check the distressing videos you have been sent - due to your partner being sassy/an attention seeker, and you being busy at work.

You have attended multiple hospital visits, as ' your little one ' suddenly presents with seizures and Injuries - even though they didn't all throughout their time in foster care

Your treasured and loved son actually dies

You are questioned

You distance yourself from your partner

Then you return to a relationship with them again, live together and get a new job.

Then you are arrested, told and shown really horrific and sinister things.

You attended court and apparently see baby Preston being left in a bath for 14 min and all the other evidence ( his horrific injuries)' for the first time'.

How could you not be screaming out about how much has been kept from you? About how much baby Preston must have suffered and how manipulated and kept in the dark you have been?

How did this lying piece of not go into histrionics on seeing and hearing what we haven't had the full,excruciating, details of ' for the first time' ?

How is he even daring to remain so calm and only show true upset for himself?

How can he still spin JM in the loving, protective father light?

They are both as bad as each other in my opinion.

I also think that JM has hinted that his mum's partner also saw Preston that day, I wouldn't be suprised if he somehow tried to appeal and blame someone else.

They are both sniveling conniving, peverted, psychopaths.

Studying for a PHD at one point in his life and he can't see where this evidence is pointing ... To me he also needs a life order. They are both insulting anyone that loved or cared for Preston, the proffesionals involved with this case and the general public.

Sorry for the rant

This is actually spot on. Let's give JMF the benefit of the doubt for one tiny moment. He knew nothing, everything was fiiiine. Then why isnt he as utterly horrified by this as we all are! Why isn't he baying for blood! Why isn't he shouting lock this disgusting pdf up and throw away the key. Nah instead it's sassy and silly and dramatic oh JV what are you like.
Disgusting.

 

[pixieroo]

Knowing this phone call was 36 minutes, I think I’m now 99.9% certain JV told JMF that Preston was effectively dying/not recovering like usual and they’ve agreed on a story to tell - this is what I’d be thinking if I was on the jury anyway.

I hope the cross picks up on the nappy change difference and the length of this phone call coupled with the medical evidence that Preston was likely already dead (or near enough) when JMF arrived home

A phone call at 17.45 for 36minutes, before JMF arrives home at 18.15pm and yet he's asking us to believe that Preston was really unwell, having just got out of the bath and JV was trying to stop him being sick.

The bath he was having whilst JV was in the shower for 'a few minutes conditioning his hair' and then left him unsupervised for 'a few minutes' whilst he found a towel/his pyjamas/towel dried his hair/blow dried his hair and then went back and found Preston (half) face down having fallen from his bath seat. After this bath, Preston wouldn't stop being sick so JV was trying to stop that when JMF arrived home and he had been sick so much the room stank and he was really unwell... and then 'went floppy'

How can all the bath stuff happen if they were on the phone from 17.45 to 18.21 (36mins)? Are they timetravellers?

 

[Pulltheotherone]

Tattle really should have an automatic WTF button for this utter nonsense.

 

[Itchy of Itchington]

If the doctor had flagged it as NAI then this would’ve started protective action from the local authority so I agree. I don’t think a child protection medical was undertaken which would’ve meant a full body examination which may have then found other injuries. There has been a huge failing and lack of professional curiosity from everyone involved - if these were birth parents the hospital attendances would’ve raised concern re lack of supervision at a minimum.

It's the Victoria Hospital in Blackpool isn't it? That hospital has a terrible history of failing to protect patients. A woman was sexually assaulted on a ward and bled to death from her injuries. And several other possible victims

Blackpool Victoria Hospital: Healthcare worker questioned over rapes

A man previously held on suspicion of murder and rape is questioned over further offences at a hospital.

www.bbc.co.uk

A different rapist worked there as a doctor

Rape-accused Blackpool doctor faces sanction appeal hearing

The General Medical Council is given permission to seek the striking off of Dr Aloaye Foy-Yamah.

www.bbc.co.uk

There were also staff drugging patients who they didn't want to have to deal with

Blackpool nurse and colleague jailed over drugging patients

Catherine Hudson, 54, and Charlotte Wilmot, 48, conspired to unlawfully drug a patient at a hospital.

www.bbc.co.uk

Unsurprisingly it's not considered safe by the CQC and it's overall rating is inadequate.

 

[TheMiceInTheShed]

He’s only outraged at the videos and photos he wasn’t present for or wasn’t sent.

Which is not a surprise of course.

The pattern is
- he sent me lots of videos, it was too many, I didn’t see them
- if I did see them, there was nothing wrong with them
- if I was there, there was nothing wrong with what I saw
- if I wasn’t there and didn’t see it then it was absolutely abhorrent and unacceptable

I hope cross examination addresses this response:

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because remember his story is he thought Preston died from drowning because his partner left him unattended briefly in the bath. Where was his anger then? Because he’s on camera telling him it wasn’t his fault.

"Stupid"?

Those videos weren't "stupid". They were callous and brutal and beyond cruel. There was nothing as innocent as "stupid" about them.

I don't care if they had no idea how to care for a baby (and I don't believe that - JV had nieces and nephews - I'll bet he hadn't shouted at them and played loud music to keep them awake or span them for excessive times and at excessive speeds on a roundabout, or left them in a cold bath for an hour, in water too deep for them). They could see he was upset, he cried almost constantly because he was in pain. They treated him like a piece of dishrag and anyone could see that the was suffering

Both of them are foul beyond belief.

 

[PaddyDomino]

He keeps going on and on about how he was making Sunday lunch when JV called him to look at Preston slumped over the cot so he couldn’t have possibly sexually assaulted him.
I think it’s a lie because he’s doing that thing that liars do and over sharing to the point where I know that JV likes chicken because it was specifically mentioned the other day. You’re on trial for sexually abusing a baby to death but you’re talking about how JV likes roast chicken in your testimony 🫠

I said before on here about how JMF going on about the Sunday lunch reminds me of Maxine Carr going on about the Sunday roast she said she cooked, and went into great detail about, when she was giving her false alibi for Huntley.

 

[HotesTilaire]

To be fair he might just have been calling him fat and repulsive, which also works!

 

[nothinonyou]

Mr McGowan-Fazakerley says he left the Salford office just after 4.45pm. There was a 36-minute phone call at 17.45 - the defendant explains he would always call on the way home from work.

‘I remember calling him and having that conversation. I said I’m on my way home. Do you need me to stop at Tesco's to get anything? He said no, I’ve got dinner sorted, come straight home Beautiful.’

He says he didn’t say anything about Preston being unwell.

‘I remember he was very happy and cheerful. It was a happy, normal conversation. Nothing was said’, he says.

36 MINUTE PHONE CALL?! What a load of (awful) bollocks.

ETA: The next update says GPS has him getting home at 6.15pm - surely this would mean the 36minute phonecall took them all the way up to him arriving home, and so JV couldn't have been trying to help Preston and also how could he have not told JMF that he was unwell?
Am I misunderstanding?

Unfortunately I think he was probably dead at this point and this phone call is JV telling him what's happened and them concocting a story

 

[HotesTilaire]

Don't they realise how awful it sounds when they call him their “son”? Like if you were adopting and just months in the baby died in your care, wouldn’t you have the grace to say that you thought of him as your son, loved him as if he was yours genetically, but also acknowledge he wasn’t literally “your son” if you’d never actually formally adopted him (coz you’d killed him in under 4 months).

To make out he is (still) actually your son doesn’t sound good, it sounds delulu.

 

[Proshwosh]

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I never comment. But I truly cannot believe what i’m reading. We all know they’re both as guilty as sin. The fact these two perverts were ever allowed to adopt an innocent baby and that not one professional stepped in to to help him whilst he was sadistically abused is an absolute disgrace and heads should roll. I think it may be the most hideous case i’ve ever heard. Rest in peace Preston. I’m so sorry this happened to you.

 

[pixieroo]

"Mr McGowan-Fazakerley says Preston was happy on the morning of July 27. The defendant changed Preston’s nappy and took his laptop to the lounge to work while Mr Varley gave him his breakfast."

So they DID change his nappy? Or have they forgotten to get that bit of their story straight.

 

[Beigerac]

I’ve heard enough, just send the pair of them away indefinitely. It’s becoming farcical.

As others have said, I am so glad Preston had those foster parents. They gave him a life filled with love even if it wasn’t for long. I hope they are doing okay.

 

[MmmB777]

Ah Preston’s bruises are being explained by his slight squint, a common ailment that doesn’t tend to leave most children bruised and battered. Don’t know about all of you but if my non mobile baby was constantly pulling things down on to himself, enough to cause 40+ injuries, I’d be looking at baby proofing my home a little better.