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I could be wrong but I think the social worker who sent the heart emojis was this oneIs this the "heart emoji" social worker?
If so she was unprofessional in every sense.
Social worker had 'no concerns' despite hospital trips of 'murdered' baby boy
A social worker for Oldham Council has described the three hospital admissions of Preston Davey, who was allegedly murdered by his adoptive parents
I know hindsight is a wonderful thing, but as someone who works in a safeguarding capacity, I feel that I would have probed more given all the red flags. Why did they not. I think with the NHS, their systems are very archaic and wouldn't necessarily flag that the same child had visited several times in x number of months. I could be wrong but Id imagine the NHS a bit outdated when it comes to joining the dots re number of visits, which is a travesty in this case.
If they had visited the same hospital it should have.I could be wrong but I think the social worker who sent the heart emojis was this one
Social worker had 'no concerns' despite hospital trips of 'murdered' baby boy
A social worker for Oldham Council has described the three hospital admissions of Preston Davey, who was allegedly murdered by his adoptive parentswww.theoldhamtimes.co.uk
I know hindsight is a wonderful thing, but as someone who works in a safeguarding capacity, I feel that I would have probed more given all the red flags. Why did they not. I think with the NHS, their systems are very archaic and wouldn't necessarily flag that the same child had visited several times in x number of months. I could be wrong but Id imagine the NHS a bit outdated when it comes to joining the dots re number of visits, which is a travesty in this case.
Every time Ive been to a&e with my child (which is twice in 7 years) They can easily find all her details via NHS number so the dots should have joined.
Ah okay I apologise then. My friend was a receptionist in an A&E dept and she said she was shocked at how clunky and outdated their systems are. All I was saying was, I would not be surprised if their systems were not very "clever" at spotting these things.
I would imagine the media will currently be doing a lot of research and digging for articles coming out after the verdict.
I don't see it as the systems are at fault - previous visits to A&E are easy to spot.
I see it as JV (and probably JMF) knew what to say and also what not to say to professionals so they were too easily believed.
As Orangesatsuma says, it looks like the social worker who 'pondered' was 'Oldham Council's independent reviewer' who visited the home after the third hospitalization. She had no concerns. The day before, Preston's own social worker (not JV / JFM's, if they had one) had visited and she also had no concerns. I think it was Preston's SW who sent the love-heart, i don't know if it was in the text mentioned below:
On the morning of 6 July 2023, Varley took Preston to hospital with an injury to his elbow.
He told hospital staff he was lowering the baby into his cot the night before when the child jumped or kicked his feet and he heard a pop or click in his left elbow.
An X-ray confirmed a small fracture and his arm was put in a cast.
Later the child's social worker, Amy Shepherdson, who had been in contact with the hospital, texted Varley to say: "Just to reassure you they said they had absolutely no concerns.
"U absolutely did the right thing."
Ms Shepherdson visited their home later that day - the day before Oldham Council's independent reviewer Magee did - noting that Preston looked pale and was not himself.
She wrote: "He tried to smile several times but then this changed to a very sad face and a little cry."
On the morning of 6 July 2023, Varley took Preston to hospital with an injury to his elbow.
He told hospital staff he was lowering the baby into his cot the night before when the child jumped or kicked his feet and he heard a pop or click in his left elbow.
An X-ray confirmed a small fracture and his arm was put in a cast.
Later the child's social worker, Amy Shepherdson, who had been in contact with the hospital, texted Varley to say: "Just to reassure you they said they had absolutely no concerns.
"U absolutely did the right thing."
Ms Shepherdson visited their home later that day - the day before Oldham Council's independent reviewer Magee did - noting that Preston looked pale and was not himself.
She wrote: "He tried to smile several times but then this changed to a very sad face and a little cry."
I don't think it should be possible for two adults to 'say the right things' and fool three sets of professionals trained in and charged with safeguarding a vulnerable and non-verbal child.
I rarely remember my dreams, but last night I dreamed that I met an older, grandmotherly woman with a beautiful little golden-haired, smiling boy. I admired the baby and said how much he reminded me of pictures of poor little Preston, and wasn't what happened to him so awful, and didn't it want to make her hold that little one even closer.
She answered that he was little Preston, He was safe and loved and happy and would never be harmed again. I pray that this is so. As others have said, if the alternative for Preston was years of torture, to be at peace is kinder.
That pair will burn in hell for what they have done.
She answered that he was little Preston, He was safe and loved and happy and would never be harmed again. I pray that this is so. As others have said, if the alternative for Preston was years of torture, to be at peace is kinder.
That pair will burn in hell for what they have done.
I agree with you, but that is what happened.
Preston had A&E admissions - he wasn't hidden away, he was seen by healthcare professionals and social workers - but any concerns were allayed and red flags were not raised, presumably because their explanation were believed
Absolutely, the systems may not have helped (in my opinion).. Im not saying they were at fault. Perhaps what I'm trying to say is that more intuitive systems MAY have helped flag something that clearly the safeguarding professionals did not see. For what reason, we will never know.
I haven’t commented on this thread before, but have been watching. I am particularly interested in child protection.
What I’m about to say sounds like the anti - woke “I’m not racist but..” tribe.
However, I do believe amongst educated professionals there is potentially dangerous bias for certain minority groups. I don’t doubt for a second that gay dads were seen as lower risk, and it probably helped the local authorities diversity criteria.
Please don’t think in anyway I am saying members of the lgbtqia+ community are criminals by default. However, inevitably there will be a small few who are criminals etc. and this may be over looked due to not wanting to come across un-pc.
I say this because my daughter was abused by a trans young man at college, and he definitely wasn’t treated in the same way you’d expect a cis young man to be.
What I’m about to say sounds like the anti - woke “I’m not racist but..” tribe.
However, I do believe amongst educated professionals there is potentially dangerous bias for certain minority groups. I don’t doubt for a second that gay dads were seen as lower risk, and it probably helped the local authorities diversity criteria.
Please don’t think in anyway I am saying members of the lgbtqia+ community are criminals by default. However, inevitably there will be a small few who are criminals etc. and this may be over looked due to not wanting to come across un-pc.
I say this because my daughter was abused by a trans young man at college, and he definitely wasn’t treated in the same way you’d expect a cis young man to be.
What would be good is if the system in children's A&E, was linked somehow to children's services. So instead of the medical staff needing to make contact with them. It was automatically sent.
It is. An automatic CP-IS referral is made to social services for A&E visits for a looked after child.
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Oh wow, I hope that is true for Preston. Poor baby
I managed to cut my daughters finger when trimming her nails as a baby and it wouldn't stop bleeding. I took her to urgent care in the next county as it's actually closer and I got loads of questions why I hadn't gone to the one in my area.
I assume to check I wasn't trying to avoid people flagging me up.
That's for a non looked after child, on her first ever hospital visit. Questions definitely need answering why none of these hospital visits led to action.
I assume to check I wasn't trying to avoid people flagging me up.
That's for a non looked after child, on her first ever hospital visit. Questions definitely need answering why none of these hospital visits led to action.
I think the problem we have here is that the hospital did make referrals but also stated in their notes that thing like the arm fracture wasn’t deemed as an intentional injury. I also assume in isolation what he also went with such as chest infections, seizures etc were treated in isolation and no one thought for one second these were being caused intentionally. A lot of the bruises were only seen post mortem and the bruises that were visible, they had accounts (and videos) to explain. The hospital didn’t raise alarms.
Therefore social services attended for their checks but again, due to the lack of ‘red flags’ raised by the drs, they deemed Preston as not at risk.
The social worker should have joined the dots of the frequency of illnesses timing when the men took over and probed the drs more. They effectively both passed the book between each other and Preston paid the ultimate price
Therefore social services attended for their checks but again, due to the lack of ‘red flags’ raised by the drs, they deemed Preston as not at risk.
The social worker should have joined the dots of the frequency of illnesses timing when the men took over and probed the drs more. They effectively both passed the book between each other and Preston paid the ultimate price
A relative was chasing after a sibling when they were a toddler, joking around, and tripped and fell. Sibling fell awkward and broke a limb. Social services all over it! It was obviously required and parents had no qualms about co-operating, and no reason to complain about it. Goes to show they can intervene when they want to
They do though unfortunately, it’s a lot harder for Children’s Social Care to intervene in more middle class families than those from lower economic backgrounds. Obviously abuse / neglect happens, but the parent’s are more intelligent / assertive / know their rights etc. A poster talked a while ago about disguised compliance, which is 100% what these two onces were doing & is one of the hardest behaviours to prove to the court for Social Workers.
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