Wolfman...ewww. @Mel Donte He seemed awful. I've not met him directly but people that have seem to think he's a sleazy old wrong un. Have you had the misfortune of meeting him?
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not-a-medical-Dr Jessica Taylor monetising the Russell Brand and David Walliams news is disgusting. She forced her vulnerable employees to sign an NDA to stop them whistle blowing. She threatened survivors of sexual abuse to sue them for “every single one of their assets” if they spoke up. She is one of the most dangerous people in the VAWG sector and does so much harm to women and girls.
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I don’t know how people can use for that length of time and not have problems with their nose/heart. Makes you think everything they tell you is a lie if people like him have been using for the last 20+ years
Yeah I did. He always gave me a bad vibe - I think I was blind to a lot of tit back then and certainly saw glamourous hedonism where I should have seen danger, but even to me Wolfman always had a certain darkness around him. He tried it on and telling him that I was underaged and gay only seemed to make him more keen. In a weird way I almost feel grateful - feeling so scared of him and like I couldn't rely on any of the other adults to step in if anything happened is what made me step back from the whole scene.
This absolutely sums up how I feel about that era, particularly the latter years. Thankfully I stepped away around the mid Babyshambles era.
How grim, the dirty old c*nt. I know exactly what you mean about seeing the scene for what it was often. I was a bit older, so I kind of stupidly thought I knew better than the younger girls, but I still got taken advantage of big time. (not by Pete or Wolf directly, mind).
When we look back the alleged glamour slips away pretty quickly doesn't it? x
I only got in to the libertines during the release of their second album, I was quite young at the time but that’s when I started hanging around Camden. Ended up getting involved with a band who I think saw themselves as part of that circuit and it was the same. A grown man with a flock of underage girls. I’m very lucky I didn’t live in London as it would have turned a bit darker I think.
I always used to defend Pete and other people in the scene that I didn't see intentionally going after young girls but in hindsight... I remember having a moment in my mid 20s when I was thinking back on it all and realised that there's no way I'd be letting teenagers hang around in my flat, no matter how "mature" they thought they were. And even if most of them never offered anything harder than booze or weed it's still ducked up.
I know. It's like a total minefield so why do it? Men in their mid 20s to bleeping 50s (Wolf yes talking to you) should not be hanging out with 15-16 yo girls. I didn't see any girls I thought were under 16 when I was knocking about that scene but they would hardly tell me their age. I guess I was lucky in that I was older, and had bad experiences with men before so it was more my own fault, but if your a teenager how can you make decisions about men/ people accurately? When they offer you drugs, say they are musicians etc...
It just goes to show how many men will abuse and take advantage of women (and underage girls) when the opportunity arises. I.e. almost all of them.
I‘m not from the UK, but in around 2005 I had a language tandem(?) in my hometown with a lovely English girl, who worked as au pair. We were talking about music once and mentioned the libertines. She was in her gap-year, so around 18,19? And told me of Pete, how „lovely and approachable“ he was to his fans. During one of their smaller gigs in the beginning of the Libs‘ career, she told me he even gave her friend a kiss on the cheek and his actual phone number! So yeah, what seemed very down-to-earth and approachable for the fans back then in reality was him grooming underage girls, from a 2023-perspective.
I think I only went to one or two (earlyish) Babyshambles gigs because my gig buddy was freaked out by one of the hangers on hitting on her. She would have been 19 or so at the time and (I can’t remember who it was the best part of 18 years later!) this was someone a lot lot older than her.
Fell asleep cos I was pissed
what i remember of I was great. I really think he's a fragile soul, addicts usually are. Striking opening scene he's sat there with his hands shaking smoking a fag, looking depressed as duck, they call his name and he strides out looking like the swaggering rock star everyone wants to see.I get this isn't a rave thread but you've gotta admit early libertines we're bleepin magic. So tight, so fast. Like the ramones.
The Louis Thereoux I found pretty heartbreaking. He seems to know he's not long for this world. Extent of his ambition for surviving seems to be to see Billy-Mae talk. He doesn't look well, all that bloat and water retention in his hands, wouldn't be at all surprised if he's not clean. Can you call yourself clean if you're a boozer? Seemed to be caning it all the time, and that was on camera so you have to wonder what he's like off. I think he'll go back on the gear for 1 last hurrah and that's when it gets them cos the tolerance is gone.
Many reasons to find him dodgy af but cos he's an addict isn't one of them.
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I don't think anyone has said that him being an addict is why he's dodgy tbf.Fell asleep cos I was pissed
I get this isn't a rave thread but you've gotta admit early libertines we're bleepin magic. So tight, so fast. Like the ramones.
The Louis Thereoux I found pretty heartbreaking. He seems to know he's not long for this world. Extent of his ambition for surviving seems to be to see Billy-Mae talk. He doesn't look well, all that bloat and water retention in his hands, wouldn't be at all surprised if he's not clean. Can you call yourself clean if you're a boozer? Seemed to be caning it all the time, and that was on camera so you have to wonder what he's like off. I think he'll go back on the gear for 1 last hurrah and that's when it gets them cos the tolerance is gone.
Many reasons to find him dodgy af but cos he's an addict isn't one of them.
There's plenty of comments upthread that read exactly that way. I also think there's this sacrificial thing of rock stars are supposed to die for us young and gorgeous like Jimi, Kurt, Amy. Ppl don't like them getting large an old and having something as pedestrian as a drink problem. If you get what I mean.
I know what you mean, but I think a lot of the Pete tales that mention his drug use are coinciding with dodgy behaviour. That's not to say that he should be lambasted purely for drug use, but that in those anecdotes, they came hand in hand.
I was 'grape' by someone in a fairly famous but not mainstream band when I was 16 and he was 40. I say 'grape' as, despite working with women who have experienced domestic and sexual violence for years, I still struggle to see it as so as I was 'off my bits' and, on said man finding out my age (and I looked very, very young at 16, so probably looked more 13/14), his response was to offer me c and make an unrepeatable comment about my age. He was quite clearly off his face throughout but that doesn't excuse it. It still happened and he still did it and as much as drugs probably played a part, that doesn't excuse it.
All love to you.
My 1st boyfriend/1st love died of a heroin OD. Not when i was with him, years later. Still broke me for a bit.
Very depressing documentary. I don’t know if Pete is into the myth of dying (comparatively) young by excess, or if he’s a genuinely troubled guy due to his past. Perhaps even both? One fuelling the other?
I used to listen to The Libertines as a teenager, but do feel they were more underground before he started dating Kate Moss. She brought him to the attention of major tabloids/the mainstream, and without their relationship (as interesting as Doherty may be) there wouldn’t even have been this Theroux documentary today I feel.
I used to listen to The Libertines as a teenager, but do feel they were more underground before he started dating Kate Moss. She brought him to the attention of major tabloids/the mainstream, and without their relationship (as interesting as Doherty may be) there wouldn’t even have been this Theroux documentary today I feel.
Whichever way it happens or affects us or people we care about, it's always heartbreaking
Has Pete done much with the BBC before? Can’t help thinking that Theroux docu was short, succinct and said nothing - only to leave audiences wanting more, thus going to see his wife’s film that’s currently showing in movie theatres. A bit of free publicity at the end of the day.