Pete Doherty

[markcorriganscrisps]

How old is his wife? No particular reason for asking other than pure nosiness I haven't watched Louis yet as I'm on holiday but am curious after reading the above.

 

[tellmewhy]

Still trying to figure out why they’re not playing a small venue in London on their tour. Triggers and temptation maybe? Although surely Kentish Town forum would surely have been triggering and they played there not too long ago

 

[markcorriganscrisps]

Still trying to figure out why they’re not playing a small venue in London on their tour. Triggers and temptation maybe? Although surely Kentish Town forum would surely have been triggering and they played there not too long ago

I wondered if London was maybe the only place they were confident of selling out but it's hard to say really.

 

[Discombobby]

Still trying to figure out why they’re not playing a small venue in London on their tour. Triggers and temptation maybe? Although surely Kentish Town forum would surely have been triggering and they played there not too long ago

I remember that place when it was the Town and Country Club...haha..Yes i did grow up in Camden. I haven't been there for about 27 years! : )

 

[Miss Havisham]

I find it hard to watch addicts like him in denial.

My brother is an addict, who has dabbled with recovery - but He has never shown any commitment to it. He has probably been off heroin for some time, but he is not clean. He cannot hold down a job, and any money has has goes on drugs of some sort. It was painful watching family members constantly bail him out (even after stealing from them), the distress he has caused. He went missing just before my sisters wedding day, turned up 72 hours later. He knew that family had feared that he had overdosed somewhere (so sisters day was ruined), but we got a lecture from him that marriage was a dead institution and we wouldn’t care if he lived or died.
He stole most of their wedding gifts (selling them for heroin) but denied it of course.
Over the recent years, it has all been about him. He is incapable of showing any empathy to others - and has denied a good 90% of the hurt he has caused.
He has a personality disorder - but as a teenager I didn’t understand his behaviour. I understand it more now, but I don’t see him as a victim, more of a perpetrator. Like Pete Doherty, I am amazed that he is still alive.

 

[Venuslurker]

What’s the story with the marriage proposal- that part was weird?

That bit really made me laugh,
Pete: stop filming!
Louis: you don't have to tell us...
Pete: okay I won't tell you......*proceeds to tell us anyway*
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I thought he came across terribly, all his previous charm gone, just a bloated old selfish alcoholic left. Sorry if that's harsh. The way he spoke about Marc blanco was awful, as if he deserves being chucked off a balcony because he was being annoying.

 

[tellmewhy]

Ok my last chance to book tickets to see the film. Has anyone seen it and do you recommend it before I spend my money?

 

[Discombobby]

I find it hard to watch addicts like him in denial.

My brother is an addict, who has dabbled with recovery - but He has never shown any commitment to it. He has probably been off heroin for some time, but he is not clean. He cannot hold down a job, and any money has has goes on drugs of some sort. It was painful watching family members constantly bail him out (even after stealing from them), the distress he has caused. He went missing just before my sisters wedding day, turned up 72 hours later. He knew that family had feared that he had overdosed somewhere (so sisters day was ruined), but we got a lecture from him that marriage was a dead institution and we wouldn’t care if he lived or died.
He stole most of their wedding gifts (selling them for heroin) but denied it of course.
Over the recent years, it has all been about him. He is incapable of showing any empathy to others - and has denied a good 90% of the hurt he has caused.
He has a personality disorder - but as a teenager I didn’t understand his behaviour. I understand it more now, but I don’t see him as a victim, more of a perpetrator. Like Pete Doherty, I am amazed that he is still alive.

That's really open of you to share that. It must be awful. I know people who are addicts and a lot of them have BPD and other personality disorders, I guess it eases the symptoms for them but is awful for others to witness people in active addiction. The selfishness is awful, stealing wedding gifts. Really horrible. I luckily never did have to steal when I had a habit but that's not a boast, and I knew many people who ended up doing such things too despite previously seemingly being very decent. A couple of girls I knew were prostituting themselves within a couple of weeks of first trying heroin/ crack. Heartbreaking.
I hope you know that you can not do much for him, and you need to be focussed on your own decent life journey. You sound like a really nice person. I do wish him well though, for your and the family's sake. But mainly much love to you, you don't deserve to be treated that way by family, regardless of their illnesses. x

 

[JL8828]

I can’t help but think the people in that flat did exactly that to Mark Blanco because of what his play was about. Some sort of screwed up joke.

 

[Miss Havisham]

That's really open of you to share that. It must be awful. I know people who are addicts and a lot of them have BPD and other personality disorders, I guess it eases the symptoms for them but is awful for others to witness people in active addiction. The selfishness is awful, stealing wedding gifts. Really horrible. I luckily never did have to steal when I had a habit but that's not a boast, and I knew many people who ended up doing such things too despite previously seemingly being very decent. A couple of girls I knew were prostituting themselves within a couple of weeks of first trying heroin/ crack. Heartbreaking.
I hope you know that you can not do much for him, and you need to be focussed on your own decent life journey. You sound like a really nice person. I do wish him well though, for your and the family's sake. But mainly much love to you, you don't deserve to be treated that way by family, regardless of their illnesses. x

Thank you - all the best to you too. You sound like you have been through the mill, but your strength / resilience has got you through it x
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I can’t help but think the people in that flat did exactly that to Mark Blanco because of what his play was about. Some sort of screwed up joke.

I was thinking exactly the same.

 

[Discombobby]

I can’t help but think the people in that flat did exactly that to Mark Blanco because of what his play was about. Some sort of screwed up joke.

I will say it until I'm blue in the face. I was not present but would stand in a courthouse to say I believe this- He annoyed them and they kicked him out, he tried to come back in and then 'Headlock' put him over. See my previous posts, I was with Mark on the night. (before he went to that flat). It's nothing to do with the title of the play.

 

[JL8828]

I will say it until I'm blue in the face. I was not present but would stand in a courthouse to say I believe this- He annoyed them and they kicked him out, he tried to come back in and then 'Headlock' put him over. See my previous posts, I was with Mark on the night. (before he went to that flat). It's nothing to do with the title of the play.

I’m sorry for the loss of your friend

 

[Discombobby]

I’m sorry for the loss of your friend

Thank you, that's really kind. I socialised with Mark but not yet a very close friend, we only knew eachother a few months so it is so much worse for those who knew him better. I didn't get the opportunity sadly to know him better, but he seemed keen on dating me. Not in a pervy way, we were around the same age etc. He was sweet and kind but also a bit naive, I wish I could have stopped him going there that night... I just don't see why they can't prosecute "headlock" when all evidence points to him throwing him over. I don't know what Doherty gains by not grassing him. He lives in another country, does he think he's still in 'danger'? Maybe Headlock and Ro have a lot of awful things they could tell the old bill about Pete, hence his wall of silence. Gawd...

 

[Warpaint]

I can’t help but think the people in that flat did exactly that to Mark Blanco because of what his play was about. Some sort of screwed up joke.

I don't really think so. By all accounts we've heard Mark was almost out of control pissing people off in there. He went on about his play to Pete but don't imagine that was what they were thinking about.

 

[Discombobby]

I don't really think so. By all accounts we've heard Mark was almost out of control pissing people off in there. He went on about his play to Pete but don't imagine that was what they were thinking about.

Yeah, unfortunately Mark was acting pretty annoying on that night in the pub even though the week before he was totally different. I didn't know why he was being that way and assumed he was very pissed. I don't remember much about the play he was on about, but I told him to sort it out as he was pissing people off, but then he ran off out the pub...I didn't know he was going to that place, having never been there myself. Next thing we know he's in the ICU. God, utterly tragic. I don't want to discredit him but the fact he was acting so annoying makes it all the more likely they deliberately pushed him over. That Headlock fella has form for horrendous violence. I forget who but someone on here kindly shared they knew him and he sounds horrific.

 

[Warpaint]

Yeah, unfortunately Mark was acting pretty annoying on that night in the pub even though the week before he was totally different. I didn't know why he was being that way and assumed he was very pissed. I don't remember much about the play he was on about, but I told him to sort it out as he was pissing people off, but then he ran off out the pub...I didn't know he was going to that place, having never been there myself. Next thing we know he's in the ICU. God, utterly tragic. I don't want to discredit him but the fact he was acting so annoying makes it all the more likely they deliberately pushed him over. That Headlock fella has form for horrendous violence. I forget who but someone on here kindly shared they knew him and he sounds horrific.

I don't think he would have gone there by accident. He was obviously kind of known - especially as he brought someone with him. A night that got out of hand in a crack den with a load of idiots and unfortunately he was the one that got worst off it.

 

[maytoseptember]

I just don't see why they can't prosecute "headlock" when all evidence points to him throwing him over. I don't know what Doherty gains by not grassing him. He lives in another country, does he think he's still in 'danger'? Maybe Headlock and Ro have a lot of awful things they could tell the old bill about Pete, hence his wall of silence. Gawd...

I think the police lost the opportunity to charge a long time ago. Or maybe they never could because they didn’t have enough evidence? Either way, if it had gone to trial I don’t think there was a strong enough case to convince a jury beyond reasonable doubt that Headlock did it. He got away with it. They all did.

 

[Beverley Macker]

I think it’s pretty obvious he’s dying and he knows it. I assume Katie knows it too, hence baby and the marriage for inheritance tax reasons. Plus, he’s astute to know that when he dies he’ll be revered, and will become rich upon death. He obviously wants Katie to be able to access the money as easily as possible, which will be significantly simpler now they are married.
The Libertines/ Babyshambles will shoot straight up the charts, and his artwork and lyrics etc will go for loads when he dies.

 

[Dizzy]

Maybe it's different among the rich - which I don't know that Pete even was - but I've never heard of any junky who would waste a taste on someone unconscious just for the lols. I mean what would the point have been? Unless he actively wanted to try to kill them, and why would he have done that? If they were passed out he could have smothered them or something.

In short, Pete would sensibly have been holding on to that smack for use later on.

This is my take on it, admittedly backed up by absolutely no facts. I don't understand why he, or anyone, would do that unless they wanted to kill someone.

Watched the Theroux documentary last night and it brought me here. I thought the explanation about Mark Blanco, whilst kind of understandable, ie, he didn't wanted to get nicked again, is indefensible. Regardless of what you have on you, if you see someone injured/dying in a street, you don't run past them do you? The most natural human emotion and reaction is to see if you can help that person. He also (I don't think) said anything like "I'm sorry he died" or "I'm sorry it happened" which I think he should have. Maybe he can't for legal reasons, but he didn't seem to have much empathy about what happened which surely most people would.

 

[British Romance]

I think it’s pretty obvious he’s dying and he knows it. I assume Katie knows it too, hence baby and the marriage for inheritance tax reasons. Plus, he’s astute to know that when he dies he’ll be revered, and will become rich upon death. He obviously wants Katie to be able to access the money as easily as possible, which will be significantly simpler now they are married.
The Libertines/ Babyshambles will shoot straight up the charts, and his artwork and lyrics etc will go for loads when he dies.

I think you’re vastly overestimating his popularity in the UK. His bands weren’t that successful at their peak so there’s no way they’ll shoot up the charts when he eventually kicks the bucket. I’d say he’s pretty much forgotten about now. He was more famous for the tabloids than his music. Now, he’s just an old name people have forgotten. A relic of the mid 00s days of junkie fashion.