lolll were you in a rival band back in the day? Your dismissal of their cultural relevance is quite aggressive
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not-a-medical-Dr Jessica Taylor monetising the Russell Brand and David Walliams news is disgusting. She forced her vulnerable employees to sign an NDA to stop them whistle blowing. She threatened survivors of sexual abuse to sue them for “every single one of their assets” if they spoke up. She is one of the most dangerous people in the VAWG sector and does so much harm to women and girls.
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I think he is in denial and completely disingenuous. I don't think he's dodgy because he's an addict - but he has done a lot of dodgy stuff as a result of his addictions and I'm sick of him being romanticised just because he is musically talented. IMVHO he has a lot of questions to answer about previous events.
That's fine. Your account is for the expression of your opinion not mine. I understand why the poor mum of Mark keeps using his name cos that's what's gonna keep the case in the public eye but turning up at his gig with signs and making a programme called 'who killed my son Pete Doherty' is borderline harassment in my view. There's no reason to believe he hasn't told the police all he knows and there's never been any suggestion he be charged. Empathy is a very different animal from romanticism. I love his music and I feel for him in his struggles and if he doesn't clean himself up he'll leave another fatherless kid cos I agree he's in denial.
I had no idea of that. I am watching the doc now and yes he does seem very troubled.
People have romanticised his addictions as if he's some tragic, bohemian, literary figure - enabling him really.
Appalling to see the band knocking back tequilas with him before a show. Not helping him.
He clearly has no intention of sorting himself out, ever.
Carl came across as a little odd in the doc.
Appalling to see the band knocking back tequilas with him before a show. Not helping him.
He clearly has no intention of sorting himself out, ever.
Carl came across as a little odd in the doc.
He has also romanticised his own addictions, like some third rate Byron figure. So many rock stars pulled that off when they were young and pretty. But there inevitably comes a tipping point where you’re too old, you’ve torpedoed your career and it’s just kind of tragic. Pete passed that point a long time ago.
I think Carl was off his face, talking nineteen to the dozen.
Like all addicts who come from a more grounded and middle class background they don’t seem to be smeared with the same scumbag title as working class addicts.
History has always romanticised the intellectual or talented drugs users as edgy, bohemian, experimental and troubled. The working class addicts who don’t seem to have any redeemable qualities are wrote off as rum, drains on society etc.
IMO Peter was a greasy little con man back in the day who would have sold his own granny for a fix and cares only for himself. I haven’t watched the documentary yet but it sounds like he hasn’t changed much.
History has always romanticised the intellectual or talented drugs users as edgy, bohemian, experimental and troubled. The working class addicts who don’t seem to have any redeemable qualities are wrote off as rum, drains on society etc.
IMO Peter was a greasy little con man back in the day who would have sold his own granny for a fix and cares only for himself. I haven’t watched the documentary yet but it sounds like he hasn’t changed much.
Fascinating thread with lots of insight . Especially in addiction ( sister is an alcoholic so it’s pertinent to me)
Never a fan of the band myself, it all seemed very Emporers New Clothes to me , but each to their own.
I watched the Blanco Documentary & the Theroux interview ( sad & evasive I thought, I also thought that he’s still using various substances & clearly drinking a lot - it’s who he is & he will never stop , nor does he want to … I think this idyllic life in France is what he’s telling himself he wants , but isn’t really what he wants)
I happened upon his Mum’s book in a charity shop last week for 30 p I’m about halfway through , it’s sad & reminiscent of what my parents & I went through with my sister . Though she does come across as very naive & keen to paint him in a good light as a nice family boy who just lost his way .
So this thread is of extra interest presently.
Never a fan of the band myself, it all seemed very Emporers New Clothes to me , but each to their own.
I watched the Blanco Documentary & the Theroux interview ( sad & evasive I thought, I also thought that he’s still using various substances & clearly drinking a lot - it’s who he is & he will never stop , nor does he want to … I think this idyllic life in France is what he’s telling himself he wants , but isn’t really what he wants)
I happened upon his Mum’s book in a charity shop last week for 30 p
I’m about halfway through , it’s sad & reminiscent of what my parents & I went through with my sister . Though she does come across as very naive & keen to paint him in a good light as a nice family boy who just lost his way . So this thread is of extra interest presently.
Id imagine their gear was cut with laxative so a rather expensive
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I read about Suede and the laxatives in either Melody Maker or the NME (circa mid-90s.) It made quite the impression on me (as you can tell) which is why I remember it nearly 30 years on.
I then frequented a band forum around the early millennium where a fan also claimed one of the members (can’t remember which one) would wear the nappies if they were drinking and experimenting at the same time (she’d apparently witnessed this herself.)
Urban myth or not, it conjures up quite the aesthetic (and stench) all the same.
I then frequented a band forum around the early millennium where a fan also claimed one of the members (can’t remember which one) would wear the nappies if they were drinking and experimenting at the same time (she’d apparently witnessed this herself.)
Urban myth or not, it conjures up quite the aesthetic (and stench) all the same.
think they’re the best thing since the Beatles?! Have a word!
nah, I’m just saying you’re wrong, I’m also not going to continue conversing with you, as you clearly have zero clue what you’re talking about
Have just watched the Louis Thereoux again. Striking that he talks about Katia wanting him to get clean but not him wanting to be clean. You have to want it for you. His eyes have such sadness. I always assumed he was a large and happy troubadour now. Living in France, singing for his supper, an occasional drink maybe, over the addictions, but that doesn't seem the case. He seems haunted and he he hasn't done the work. I wish after writing those songs that are a soundtrack to so many of our lives he was at peace and able to live off them. But really doesn't seem so. I hope anyone demonising addiction from their ivory towers has thrown away their Stones records, their Hendrix records, their Doors records, their Pouges records, their Nirvana records, their Amy records. There's so much more to it all than a Mr Mackey drugs are bad m'kay soundbite. Not a dig at any posters on here btw. Just societal attitudes. There but for the grace of God go I is a good and humbling rule of thumb.
Huge lols at you comparing Pete to the Stones, Hendrix, The Doors etc
No, naming drug influenced music. The enjoyment of it, by me or you, or anyone else, is entirely subjective, but go off.Huge lols at you comparing Pete to the Stones, Hendrix, The Doors etc
They're right, though. I saw The Libertines about 13 years ago as somebody connected with them got me on the guest list. I've never seen such an amateurish band live that's well known. It really was dire - I was one of the very few there who clearly felt that way, though.lolll were you in a rival band back in the day? Your dismissal of their cultural relevance is quite aggressive
Pete's a man of minimal talent but hey, being a duck-up and seemingly out of control's always "sellable" when it comes to music acts. After all, Amy only made it big when her new manager decided not to cover up what a mess she was. She wasn't quite such a mess in the "Frank" days but wasn't far off it a lot of the time - 19 Management just covered it up well.
I think most of this paragraph is balls.
Has anyone read Pete’s autobiography? I’ve had it here since last year, but haven’t made a start on it yet.
I would say Amy was quite successful before back to black, when frank came out and she was nominated for Brit awards.
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I bought it and didn’t get round to it, noticed it’s on Spotify audiobooks now and I’ll probably get more time to listen to it than read it, so I’m going to start it soon