Panorama - Online Abuse: Why Do You Hate Me? - BBC

[Yel]

What worried me about the investigation was the fact that they invited influencers to parliament to talk about the impact , ones whose agenda was take down forums . I don’t recall seeing notes from concerned citizens about their freedom of speech attending. With MPs looking to score points off the back of the horrible murder , I can see where that could end up.

It won't end up anywhere. It was probably just ditzy fan girls in the government press office that got influencers to give their view.

It doesn't stand up to any basic scrutiny. Especially not their ridiculous claims of abuse and harassment.

The people that need to be protected are not influencers / celebs saying that people having negative opinions about them hurts their feelings. It's members of the public. Only in a dictatorship could you ban members of the public from having an opinion on businesses which is what influencers are.

There's real a lack of critical thinking around influencers and their demands to have their cake and eat it.

Stop chasing fame if you don't want the inevitable consequences of fame.

 

[Yel]

I’m sure a lot of influencers will love this

To be honest that's terrible reporting from the BBC. It's actual harrasment and stalking that person was doing;

Mrs Patterson was told "we have your address" and told she would "punch her in her f******* face".

In messages littered with highly racist language, Tracey was even told "You won't be waking up tomorrow".

Dawn, of Sheridan Court, Stapleford, would often send Tracey pictures of her home, telling the terrified victim that she knew when her husband had left for work and claiming to be at charity events they both attended.

Nothing to do with commentary and criticism that influencers get. They are dillusional to think negative opinions about the content they choose to share publicly as a job is anything even remotely to do with abuse, harassment or stalking.

 

[Veronicaaa]

Tonight at 7.30 - Panorama about online abuse especially against women. Hopefully it will tackle genuine abuse eg rape and death threats, and not gossip sites.
I was just watching Politics Live discussing it and a very sensible woman (who gets trolled badly) said people being rude about famous people is a tradition that should be protected as free speech, and must not be confused with threats to security.

I'm so confused at how the murder of David Amess has suddenly turned into a big discussion about online abuse. One thing has nothing to do with the other??

 

[Suebigfatsue87]

I do to so they are sensible! Fb is misogynistic, it’s a hateful place, I see much worse on the groups than on tattle! End of the day tattle doesn’t pretend to be something it isn’t, it’s clear it is about critiquing influencer and celeb culture, good and bad. Fb tries to pretend it’s so kind and lovely and it’s full of bile

 

[Oohthedrama]

The Parliamentary investigation team said that less than 15% of abusive correspondence is done via social media, the majority was done by letter or phone calls/emails.

also heard a really valid point earlier, take away the ability to be anonymous online and whistleblowers are a thing of the past, nobody is going to out the shady dealings of a corporation if they’re going to get caught

 

[Oohthedrama]

Not sure about the whistleblowing point.

I assumed they meant lower paid workers in corporations or big business who might use social media to make people aware of what’s going on behind the scenes.

another issue is the media in general, if they think they don’t fan the “hatred” flames they’re in denial.
Most of the “hate” towards politicians in particular begins in the media, they conduct the interviews and make the headlines, they choose how to present the information to the public, they turn on celebrities or politicians at the same time if not before the public does. So they fan the flames they’re now looking at in horror, like they have nothing to do with the match that was thrown towards it.

 

[Suebigfatsue87]

Interesting statistic.

Not sure about the whistleblowing point. I think companies/corporations/government departments tend to have whistleblowing policies and procedures (which safeguard anonymity) that don't necessitate the use of social media.


Blimey - do some really do that?

100%! they love the engagement it gets them, all the messages come flooding from the ukokhun brigade

 

[monga]

Owen Jones has a nerve when he regularly starts Twitter pile-ons and sits back smugly. He and Ash Sakaar did that recently and it inevitably ended with "who, me? Don't know what you're talking about but she deserved it anyway". Hundreds of death threats were sent to that woman all because she was worried about her child transitioning.

I don't know who he is tbh ,my post was aimed at Mark Francois ,who himself is a very questionable person to be pushing for this type of bill .I'm sure there's many of these people have trolled others online yet have jumped on their highhorse yesterday

 

[Jelly Bean]

Tonight at 7.30 - Panorama about online abuse especially against women. Hopefully it will tackle genuine abuse eg rape and death threats, and not gossip sites.
I was just watching Politics Live discussing it and a very sensible woman (who gets trolled badly) said people being rude about famous people is a tradition that should be protected as free speech, and must not be confused with threats to security.

ETA the woman mentioned is Ellie Mae O'Hagan, a freelance journalist for The Guardian.

 

[Yel]

At least it will show that Facebook/ Instagram don't close down accounts guilty of the worst things - like threats of violence and rape. They do encourage an echo chamber to keep on their platform. Tattle is a world apart from that - there's no algorithms and anyone making even the most mild threats is banned instantly. In my experience when you report very disturbing threats to Instagram they reply and say it doesn't break their guidelines.

"People were using explicitly gendered slurs - women being manipulative, women being sneaky, being sexual, women being evil or stupid."

There's an article on BBC news about the show with the above and ex love island contestants aka influencers. The whole influencer industry is summed up with manipulation and sneaky; is that really a gendered slur? Women are far more prevalent with influencing.

I get abuse and threats online - why can't it be stopped?

Online abuse against women is on the rise, but why aren't the police, government and social media sites doing more to stop it?

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Jelly Bean]

I'm so confused at how the murder of David Amess has suddenly turned into a big discussion about online abuse. One thing has nothing to do with the other??

Yes it is wierd. They were combining the two today. A politician was saying there should be no anonymity online 'especially after recent events'. Like you I thought 'eh? What does that have to do with it?'

 

[Yel]

I'm so confused at how the murder of David Amess has suddenly turned into a big discussion about online abuse. One thing has nothing to do with the other??

It's ridiculous jumping to that and blaming lockdown because people are now online more. Pushing an agenda they already have.

 

[Suebigfatsue87]

A few years ago, fb allowed different names (annon) I had a lot of safe friends on there and enjoyed being able to talk freely with them.

They changed to having actual names and showing ID and I ended up with a person who had been a huge danger in my life finding me

I understand why annon can be an issue, trolls who abuse people in the vilest manner hiding behind a keyboard mask is one thing indeed, but for others who want to have friends, community and contact, having every milli-grain of your life available to others is also an issue.

There has to be a middle ground really.

i agree. The people promoting this having identity to use sm are ridiculous. There are tons of victims of dv and the police are lax on these men, you only have to google to see this. Why should we trust random websites with our data? I would never hand my identity to any social media platform, not a chance. We should not be promoting giving social media platforms more power, a certain sm platform already has the running of many platforms and it doesn’t sit right with me. Their community standards only seem to work on silly things like calling men trash but comments about death, committing violent crimes against women and r*pe “jokes” seem to stand!

 

[monga]

This is the full article they want a lot of stuff added to the bill I don’t know how SM platforms would enforce this most people like the the anonymity even if only to browse the lost revenue would be too much the big guns would fight it all the way

Interesting statistic.

Not sure about the whistleblowing point. I think companies/corporations/government departments tend to have whistleblowing policies and procedures (which safeguard anonymity) that don't necessitate the use of social media.


Blimey - do some really do that?

I think you’re right about the whistleblowers I was reading in the local press earlier about a woman wanting to fight the BBCs policy on that she can’t disclose any details of bullying she suffered.

 

[dancingqueen5678]

Exactly, tattle is what it is. FB and Twitter try to pretend they're something that they're not - some of the worst comments on there they say don't even break their rules. Comments that are mild in comparison on tattle get taken down quickly - often in minutes. Influencers need to tell massive lies about what's posted here.

and tattle has clear rules and boundaries. Twitter and Facebook make it up as they go along depending on what's "in" at the time. They let someone like Trump run their mouth with out and out lies for years. It was only when it wasn't "in" to like him anymore that they banned him! They just care about engagement

 

[Yel]

They like to lump everyone together under the TROLL banner and don't actually focus on what's written . She sounded more of a stalker than a troll ,big difference. She was actully jailed for stalking do people see that in the same context as leaving a comment about someone ? I don't .

Yep, shame on the BBC, government and influencers who do all they can to mislead.

Anything they don't like = TROLLS! regardless of it's actual harassment or people expressing an opinion on their wallpaper that they have to go out of their way to read.

 

[Oohthedrama]

Well that was a load of nothingness. I feel 90 second video packages in the news have covered petty much the same - rape and death threats are unacceptable and social media and gov should do more.

Everytime I see a bbc doc the quality goes down. Is the BBC and Panorama really anything to be proud of?

Was more like a video version of a quickly made tabloid article where they decide on a headline then stitch together a few things to proove the headline.

Andrew Marr turned me right off the BBC for any type of news content.
I’m expecting to see him on all fours balancing a tea tray and barking like a puppy for Boris and co.
one of these days.

 

[Pissedoffwithinfluencers]

The Parliamentary investigation team said that less than 15% of abusive correspondence is done via social media, the majority was done by letter or phone calls/emails.

also heard a really valid point earlier, take away the ability to be anonymous online and whistleblowers are a thing of the past, nobody is going to out the shady dealings of a corporation if they’re going to get caught

What worried me about the investigation was the fact that they invited influencers to parliament to talk about the impact , ones whose agenda was take down forums . I don’t recall seeing notes from concerned citizens about their freedom of speech attending. With MPs looking to score points off the back of the horrible murder , I can see where that could end up.

 

[Aude]

I wonder if there could be a way of ending online anonymity for people contacting public figures through social media rather than ending online anonymity across the board. Maybe some sort of gateway that messages to public figures (and comments in their timelines?) have to pass though?

This would allow people to comment anonymously btl on newspaper articles, in any commentary forum and in other specified situations but not allow them to contact a public figure anonymously. That would help with what is everyone's main concern - to end the vile abuse and threats of violence that women in public life, in particular, are subjected to - without curtailing freedom of expression and the use of anonymity in certain sensitive situations.

 

[Lanie]

His murder was horrific,

but I’m finding it hard to see how a man, previously flagged to police, who stabbed a politician multiple times, When they believe it has a potential link to Islamist extremism, has anything to do with online abuse….

security yes, i could even understand people questioning who they “let into the country”

but online abuse?! Seems to me like they’re using this to push an agenda they’ve been trying to push for a while now

I think it may have to do with radical grooming. These evil cult like groups prey on the vulernable and lonely people and make them believe in their cause. Its awful.

I dont see how it can be liked to big tits martha stating that a shampoo some influencers is flogging is full of shite and shes only doing it because she cannot be arsed to get a regular job like the rest of us plebs. Nope, dont see it?!