OnlyFans

[CrackingOwlSanctuary]

I think one issue with OF v glamour modelling is to make regular income on OF you have to be accessible which can cause customers to get over friendly.

I also think due to the implication of OF it's hard for people to admit they haven't made as much as they hoped from it because it's a crossed line. Like I saw a former Olympic skater had been doing it, not just nudes but full on hardcore stuff with a man. She said in an interview it's not ideal and she'd like to work in sport again at some point. I immediately thought 'well good luck doing any coaching near kids' because that's essentially a bridge burnt when you fuck on camera for money.

 

[Truth2010]

It’s a bit short sighted. Once a photo is out there on the internet, you can’t get it back. If you regret your decision to make a profile, you’re screwed.

It would take ages to build a following and get your name out there- imagine local idiots and people you went to school with knowing that you did only fans for the sake of 3 likes lol.
I’m glad women are taking charge of their bodies and having autonomy over it is a beautiful, empowering thing, just wish people made more informed choices.

 

[CrackingOwlSanctuary]

In the interview this morning they asked the former teacher about the reaction to her Onlyfans account when it came out and whilst showing a picture of her in a tiny bikini on screen she joked and said 'the pupils thought christmas had come early' and neither presenter pointed out 'these are children accessing pornography'.

I know that is just an unfortunate fact of life and had been before OF etc but I can't believe someone who claimed they loved teaching and working with children would adopt that attitude, though I suppose if she took that seriously she wouldn't have done OF in the first place.

 

[CrackingOwlSanctuary]

They started it by dressing it up as 'serious interviews' with people like Mia Khalifa on Hard Talk, then had BB and Lily Phillips on Victoria Derbyshire/Newsnight but platforming them does more harm than good. Especially when the flippant 'I make twice the average annual salary or more in a month' claims start flying.

The government trying to bring in age verification tech to prevent access to porn tube websites is bolting the stable door after the horse has bolted, and will make no difference when VPNs are simple to use and the media bombards us with stories that were once relegated to the Daily Sport.

 

[CrackingOwlSanctuary]

If you look on the sub reddits and forums for security clearance jobs half the queries are people saying 'I did OF, will this affect my vetting for this job?'. The media frames it like selling Avon or Scentsy etc but it isn't and the negatives are always massively played down.

A while ago one of the papers ran an article about a Welsh woman who was saying how she grew up so poor she had a coin operated tv etc, never had any money for anything and now she drives a Lamborghini and everyone who judged her for being poor is green with envy, all thanks to OF! A quick google of her shows the article massively glossed over her extensive hardcore porn career in the US which listed the kind of films that sounded more like Bonnie Blue's niche. You'd be forgiven for thinking she just decided to take her top off one day the money came rolling in, to hear her tell it.

 

[missmina]

I keep hearing how OF creators are top 0,04 or whatever and earn 20k per week but still live in the same flat share lol.
Anyways what annoys me the most is how many of them have to spit this narrative how others are just jealous because they make bank and will retire at 30 while we will work vanilla jobs till we’re 80. I don’t super buy all of them earn that much but mostly just disappointed that nowadays it’s like oh lame you working hard having a career educating yourself, if you were actually smart you’d be doing OF like us and being rich. They want to feel so much better than others which tells me they really don’t. And I don’t even follow OF creators it’s being spit by social media trying to convince me that having OF for few months and I’ll be able to afford a house.

 

[emm]

I think you're spot on. Just because not everyone is being exploited doesn't mean lots aren't. Also, I've read a lot of girls saying they're going on due to losing income because of covid, which doesn't suggest it's exactly first choice of career.

yeh along with Zoom and Amazon I bet onlyfans is one of the few industries thriving in Covid, I think for celebrities who can just easily make an income it is one thing, but I imagine a lot of the people on it are just very young and unaware of possible consequences of their actions. Initially I thought this was a lot better than, say a regular porn site as they are in control of their income etc, but I've also heard about the videos being leaked onto porn sites, which basically means they would start losing income and these exploitative porn sites are gaining

I am.

Not all it's cracked up to be. I was top 15% and wasn't hitting more than 800 quid a month so not sure where some people get their figures.

that's so interesting, it reminds me of the whole MLM scheme which seems to be ever more popular, especially now, with some people claiming they earn millions and most people earning almost nothing/losing money

 

[NeverEnough]

Yes.

Gaining financially and having body autonomy and the ultimate control over something men have and continue to forcibly take from women is a power move and progressive, it just feels uncomfortable because slut shaming is ingrained into all of us from an early age.

We’ve got a long way to go but this is a small step to taking our power back from men, especially in relation to our bodies and sex. Most people don’t think twice about the men running casting couches and bang buses driving about in Lamborghinis funded by the exploitation of women, but a girl buys her own home selling pictures of herself online and people seem to lose their minds. Power to her.

Interesting. But does body autonomy only apply to women with the right genetics to look beautiful scantily clad on stills and videos? (Inserted sex toys optional). And be beautiful enough for enough men to want to masturbate whilst watching them. (Let’s not be shy here, what do you think her “fans” are doing?).

Beautiful women making money off men isn’t new. It’s just what you call them that has changed over the years. Harem members, courtesans, Geisha, concubines, debutantes, free love girls, glamour models, camgirls, or now Onlyfans models.

Guess empowerment for the plump frumpy girls is liposuction, diet pills, lip fillers, hundreds of quids worth of make-up, photoshop, and enough lube to get the extra large dildo right up there.

Welcome to progress….

 

[Swipeupyouguys]

Is she a red head?

Surely i can't be the only one who wants a name here...

 

[Yel]

Is this progress?

 

[CarmenGhia]

I think the MLM analogy is probably correct. There are a few OFers making a lot of money, some who are making a decent sideline amount, and a lot who are making very little. When you factor in the time you have to devote to being a succcessful social media personality, the outlay on cameras, ring lights and other AV stuff, their net profits are probably very small indeed. That, and compromising photos online can damage your future career and relationships.

 

[Yel]

It was more about the housing market to be honest.

Is it slut shaming? I'd have thought that's a toally different thing to online selling of yourself?

a girl buys her own home selling pictures of herself online and people seem to lose their minds

I don't think anyone has lost their mind over this, mostly seen people sad that it's what people need to do to get secure housing.

Only fans accounts often starts off with slightly spicy photos and then goes towards more and more explicit stuff. I think the "just selling a few photos" thing does misrepresent what seems to happen.

 

[x_bethanyy]

Some (not all) OnlyFans content creators don't seem to realise that OF won't be around forever. Maybe they are earning thousands a month now (although most of them aren't), what happens in a few years when OF is no longer profitable, what about when they get older and are no longer attractive to the audience they've earned.

The ones who have quit their jobs or careers now have a gap in their work experience that they have to explain to future employers, maybe the industry they worked in has advanced and they no longer have any marketable skills, maybe their qualifications are outdated.

Once they get into it and make it their full-time career they may find themself stuck in the sex work industry for the rest of their lives, or having to start their careers from square one.
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It's interesting how OF let's users know what percentage of earners they fall into. I've been looking on Reddit at the self-reported earnings of content creators and their percentile to get an insight into if it really is as lucrative as some have been making it out to be.

According to someone on Reddit they are in around the top 50% or earners, and they are making US $50 (£40 or €46) per month. So half of the people who have an only fans account are making less than $50 per month.

Some more reported earnings are:

Top 43% making $100.
Top 27% making $280.
Top 15% making $500.
Top 13% making $600.

It's only once you get into the top 10% that you apparently begin to make over $1000 per month.

Top 6% earning $1400.
Top 3% earning $1800.

Only the top 2.5% earn over $2000 per month. That's USD, so around £1600 GBP, €1800 EUR or $3000 AUD per month.

Now I'm sure there are lots of inactive accounts that mess with the percentages a little. But less than 2% of OF content creators are earning above $24,000 USD, £20,000 GBP or €22,000 EUR a year.

Bearing in mind a lot of people who reported these numbers said that this is their earnings overall, before OF takes their 20% cut and before tax.

I'm sure those who already have a big following, or these who both put in a huge amount of effort and get lucky can earn more than they would working a 'regular' job, but it's really not a "side hustle" that will be profitable for the average Joe (or Jane) on the street.

 

[daydreamer95]

There is a woman in her 30s who lives locally to me, she has been doing OnlyFans for a couple of years now. She has gone further and further and further with what she does. She went from doing soft, glamour type stuff to now doing anal videos and meet ups with other “content craters” to do lesbian content and the other day one of them took her strap-on virginity. She is posting full on, legs open nudes with bolt on fake boobs on display on her Twitter to lure the sad sods to her OF. Listen no judgment from me, but bear in mind she has a son who is about 12 and a daughter of about 5. It’s harrowing to imagine their classmates finding this stuff and showing them. Would you ever get over that? I doubt it. These women don’t seem to care about the consequences of all this on their loved ones.

The worst example I’ve heard of as far as webcamming is concerned, was a young woman who did a 1-2-1 with a punter who had a plastic bag fetish and he talked her into putting a plastic bag over her head She suffocated and he watched her die over webcam without calling her an ambulance. The police wanted to do him for manslaughter but he topped himself before they could.

Read about that case here:

Mum of girl killed in sex role play slams online sex trade

Hope Barden, 21, who worked as a carer in Burton, died from aphyxiation while performing sex acts to a webcam

www.derbytelegraph.co.uk

So I would just say to anyone who chooses to take this path, you need to make your boundaries crystal clear and don’t ever feel that you “have“ to do something.

Most probably do start with boundaries imo it’s a slippery slope according to articles the man who would have stood trial if he didn’t off himself got her to perform increasingly degrading / dangerous acts over a period of 3 months culminating with the bag on her head and ligature

Why are the press not naming the platform?

Also found it strange they say flat mate found Hope Barden so the scene would have included her with bag / ligature and whatever camera set up she was using laptop or phone so why did the police tell family she committed suicide?

The sister told them about a man called Cable tie it’s because of the family he was arrested for extreme images, the fact the sister says he sat back and watched while she died makes me think he took screenshots as she was dying how many more sickos like this out there?

From The Mail - https://www.archive.is/oldest/https...cam-client-police-perverts-sick-messages.html

“The sister of a graduate who strangled herself as her webcam client sat back and watched has revealed that police thought the 21-year-old had taken her own life until she pushed for them to investigate further.

Lily Barden, 23, has spoken out about she put police onto a pervert's messages after they initially thought that her sister, Hope, had hanged herself.

We were told that it was suicide but I knew she hadn't hung herself,' she said. 'I had been talking to her that day. I knew she wasn't depressed. She loved living with her flatmate, she was really happy.”

From Derby Telegraph - https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/local-news/pub-landlord-took-life-before-6012723.amp

“Dangar had paid her to take part in the risky activity while he watched hundreds of miles away in Tintagel, Cornwall and was later locked up for possessing extreme pornography with an interest in death.”

 

[Ensay]

I keep reading online articles quoting OnlyFans 'creators' who are bemoaning the ban because it'll take away their income.

While I understand it must be disappointing, some of them are acting like they can't get income from any other means. I'm not gonna say "get a real job", but "get an alternative job" is a valid riposte I think.

Yeah you might have to put in a bit more effort, but it's worth it to keep a roof over your head.

 

[daydreamer95]

Onlyfans is like an MLM the reason they inflate their earnings so much is to get new people to sign up under their affiliate referral

It used to be commission ongoing but now it’s been capped at 5% for only 1 year which really does incentivise creators to recruit more and more new people

Now there is courses workshops etc to be sold as well by successful creators , managers have been exposed for selling images secretly and stealing money it’s not all glamorous

 

[HockyRorror]

Most of the time they put the same pics on social media and DM anyway. The ones we don’t see are probably xxxxxxxxxxxrated. Most of the desperadoes are on it. Meghan Barton Whatever says she makes £800 000 a month! Believe this if you wish.

Someone with better maths skills than me could probably work this out but I just googled who she is out of interest and see she charges 24.99$ a month for her page. Taking into consideration the exchange rate between the dollar and the pound and the cut the website takes (just googled = 20%), how many people would have to subscribe for her to make 800,000 (pounds, not dollars) per month? Like I said I am shit at maths so perhaps it’s doable but maybe she charges for private “extras”. Which there is nothing wrong with if that’s what you want to do, but it is reminiscent of the all-too familiar tale how young girls start off doing glamour shots or a bit of stripping and end up going down dark paths they might not have envisioned.

 

[at-the-disco]

no absolutely not is it progress! there are so many reasons why porn is bad. there is more to women than their bodies and onlyfans is just feeding into the patriarchy and misogyny. these men who pay for onlyfans will never ever respect women because they just see them as a body they can wank off to. onlyfans needs banning it is so toxic

 

[Jas19/2]

Exactly what I’m saying

 

[emm]

I truly believe at least some of the massive figures claimed by OF creators are actually masking some sort of money laundering.

Definitely, and it's in the interest of OF to push this narrative