Nurses striking

[wearedoomed]

Years ago when there was strike action, it would hurt the bosses bottom line.

Now strikes just affect people who have no say in the reasons for the industrial action.

The government and executives don’t feel the pain of cancelled trains, missing hospital appointment letters or long waits for an ambulance.

They couldn’t give a tit. Plus the Tories ain’t getting voted in next time so why make the effort?

Can’t see a way out of it. Just more misery for everyone except the people in charge.

 

[onservantannie]

Nursing, like any other line of work, is a choice. You surely don’t go into the profession for the money. You go into the profession to make a difference and save lives of the vulnerable. Striking goes against that very ethos in my opinion. You don’t like the pay, the conditions, or the fees you have to pay for your pin or for parking, then leave. As for saying everyone feels the same and everyone will leave and the NHS will collapse etc, surely that’s not the concern of those who chose to jump ship. You don’t want to be a nurse because you don’t like the way the profession is, then don’t be. Why should anyone be held to ransom with the threat of pay us more or we’ll strike and withdraw labour. Pay us more or we’ll leave. There are always people wanting to do the job you’re complaining about. Nobody, apart from the elite, have had fair pay rises and nobody is managing very well with the rising costs of everything. It’s not just nurses!

 

[Eltonjohnsflorist]

Why is this problem more prevalent in the UK than other places though? The problem is we want to have a European style welfare state paid for by US style taxes.
The rich definitely need to pay more tax. Are we not being held to ransom by threats they'll leave?

Why do you think it’s more of a problem in the U.K.? Isn’t it just that you wouldn’t know about the tax affairs of countries you don’t live in so you’re assuming it’s different?

Nursing, like any other line of work, is a choice. You surely don’t go into the profession for the money. You go into the profession to make a difference and save lives of the vulnerable. Striking goes against that very ethos in my opinion. You don’t like the pay, the conditions, or the fees you have to pay for your pin or for parking, then leave. As for saying everyone feels the same and everyone will leave and the NHS will collapse etc, surely that’s not the concern of those who chose to jump ship. You don’t want to be a nurse because you don’t like the way the profession is, then don’t be. Why should anyone be held to ransom with the threat of pay us more or we’ll strike and withdraw labour. Pay us more or we’ll leave. There are always people wanting to do the job you’re complaining about. Nobody, apart from the elite, have had fair pay rises and nobody is managing very well with the rising costs of everything. It’s not just nurses!

What kind of tit way is this to view the world? You aren’t concerned one day when your parents get admitted to ICU and there are no nurses to look after them? That’s just tough luck hey? Zero medics? What kind of person thinks that’s in any way a realistic outcome? You sound bonkers

working in retail will keep you humble for the rest of your life!

I worked in law enforcement for a while and even then didn’t receive as much abuse as I did when working retail



Youve totally misread my point. I meant it as a criticism. A criticism to the double standard in that corporate/head office are treated totally different, in that they aren’t constantly being told the lie they are lucky to have a job and aren’t constantly being threatened with redundancy, within the same organisation.

I wasn’t saying anyone should just move to corporate, I was saying that the attitude and treatment of workers there is usually different and it’s an conscious secession made by those in corporate roles to keep the lower ranks subdued.

@JoeBloggs as an independent observer I feel
Obliged to point out you have indeed misread cee bees post.

 

[Whatspopping]

During the COVID times certain professions were recognised as essential to how our society functions. Nursing was one of those professions. A government who lauded this profession should in good faith at least enter into discussions about pay.

 

[onservantannie]

Why do you think it’s more of a problem in the U.K.? Isn’t it just that you wouldn’t know about the tax affairs of countries you don’t live in so you’re assuming it’s different?



What kind of tit way is this to view the world? You aren’t concerned one day when your parents get admitted to ICU and there are no nurses to look after them? That’s just tough luck hey? Zero medics? What kind of person thinks that’s in any way a realistic outcome? You sound bonkers



@JoeBloggs as an independent observer I feel
Obliged to point out you have indeed misread cee bees post.

And here lies the problem. The NHS won’t collapse if those who are unhappy with the profession leave, despite the obviously inflated opinion you have of nurses. There will be other nurses who stay for the right reasons. Nurses who don’t want to put vulnerable people at risk by striking (I know who I’d rather have looking after me). What a very high opinion you have to think that there’ll be ‘no nurses to look after people’ if the ones who aren’t happy leave Let’s clap some more pots eh?

 

[gigilouxx]

Isn’t that contradictory, if we don’t do what they want they’ll leave and there’ll be no nurses or paramedics. Yet according to the comments I’ve seen there’s already no nurses or paramedics, so what difference does it make?

 

[onservantannie]

Isn’t that contradictory, if we don’t do what they want they’ll leave and there’ll be no nurses or paramedics. Yet according to the comments I’ve seen there’s already no nurses or paramedics, so what difference does it make?

100% this! I really couldn’t agree more.

 

[I_Like_Tractors]

And here lies the problem. The NHS won’t collapse if those who are unhappy with the profession leave, despite the obviously inflated opinion you have of nurses. There will be other nurses who stay for the right reasons. Nurses who don’t want to put vulnerable people at risk by striking (I know who I’d rather have looking after me). What a very high opinion you have to think that there’ll be ‘no nurses to look after people’ if the ones who aren’t happy leave Let’s clap some more pots eh?

You do know there aren't enough to go round as it is, don't you? If this is your approach good luck finding anyone left to care for you when you need it.

You can tell which comments are made by those with zero lived experience of the topic.

 

[Eltonjohnsflorist]

And here lies the problem. The NHS won’t collapse if those who are unhappy with the profession leave, despite the obviously inflated opinion you have of nurses. There will be other nurses who stay for the right reasons. Nurses who don’t want to put vulnerable people at risk by striking (I know who I’d rather have looking after me). What a very high opinion you have to think that there’ll be ‘no nurses to look after people’ if the ones who aren’t happy leave Let’s clap some more pots eh?

This makes no sense. There is a massive shortage of nurses, a shortage of new ones coming out of uni and the ones who are qualified leaving in record numbers. As you can see from the protests, huge numbers of the remaining nurses are unhappy in their jobs. The ones you think should just all leave.

I don’t even understand your point. Do you have one?

 

[onservantannie]

You do know there aren't enough to go round as it is, don't you? If this is your approach good luck finding anyone left to care for you when you need it.

You can tell which comments are made by those with zero lived experience of the topic.

And you can tell which comments are made by those who have an overinflated ego of themselves and the profession.

 

[Eltonjohnsflorist]

Isn’t that contradictory, if we don’t do what they want they’ll leave and there’ll be no nurses or paramedics. Yet according to the comments I’ve seen there’s already no nurses or paramedics, so what difference does it make?

No it’s not. Nurses are already leaving. Most of the ones who have stayed are, as you are aware, on strike. That means they are withholding their Labour.
Not leaving. Staying but not working.

So you have
- shortage of new nurses training
- nurses leaving the profession in record numbers
- nurses who are still employed refusing to work.

 

[onservantannie]

This makes no sense. There is a massive shortage of nurses, a shortage of new ones coming out of uni and the ones who are qualified leaving in record numbers. As you can see from the protests, huge numbers of the remaining nurses are unhappy in their jobs. The ones you think should just all leave.

I don’t even understand your point. Do you have one?

My point is nobody is forcing them to join or remain in the profession! I’m actually from a line of 3 generations of nurses, my great grandmother was a matron. If there aren’t enough nurses and paramedics to do the job what good is striking doing? Surely that just reduces the amount on the frontline even further, thus putting the vulnerable at risk? I find it hard to sympathise when, again, they are in the profession BY CHOICE.

 

[Eltonjohnsflorist]

My point is nobody is forcing them to join or remain in the profession! I’m actually from a line of 3 generations of nurses, my great grandmother was a matron. If there aren’t enough nurses and paramedics to do the job what good is striking doing? Surely that just reduces the amount on the frontline even further, thus putting the vulnerable at risk? I find it hard to sympathise when, again, they are in the profession BY CHOICE.

<SLOW HAND CLAP FOR MRS STATE THE OBVIOUS>

Really? You mean young people aren’t being marched out of school to do nursing degrees at gun point?

Nurses aren’t picked up by army truck each morning and delivered to hospitals where they’re locked in all day? WELL I NEVER! That’s exactly what we all thought was happening.
Thanks so much for your informative and insightful comments. Put us all right!

 

[onservantannie]

<SLOW HAND CLAP FOR MRS STATE THE OBVIOUS>

Really? You mean young people aren’t being marched out of school to do nursing degrees at gun point?

Nurses aren’t picked up by army truck each morning and delivered to hospitals where they’re locked in all day? WELL I NEVER! That’s exactly what we all thought was happening.
Thanks so much for your informative and insightful comments. Put us all right!

****It’s MR actually.

 

[Eltonjohnsflorist]

Not to worry

 

[I_Like_Tractors]

****It’s MR actually.

Nobody gives one

 

[onservantannie]

Nobody gives one

Maybe not. But nurses still aren’t getting their 19%.

 

[Caffeine Fiend]

Probably late to this thread as it seems to have descended into chaos.

However as a member of a union, I support the strikes. Im not going to sit here and say I know the full ins and outs of every demand across every workforce who is chosing to strike because I dont and I am acutely aware that the media like to twist the situation like saying workers have been offered 8% when its 4% one year and then 4% the next year. This isnt 8%

I think everyone should have the ability to withold labour if they feel they need to.

 

[gigilouxx]

What we need is a government who doesn’t treat the NHS as a golden egg and act as though we should be happy for a crappy health service because it’s “free”
Reform is needed in every sector.

 

[Merpedy]

Is the shortage of staff caused by the low pay and working conditions or is it something else?

Given how stressful hospital environments are, I really don’t see how better working conditions with sufficient breaks would attract many more people tbh. Someone already said it but nursing and any health related work really seems based on wanting to go into that profession to begin with