I know grifty but fuck meI’m sorry but I laughed out loud at ‘Sharon’s fucking dream’
Yeah, I think that is the issue. I think even if they suddenly provided cctv of the entire journey showing Noah walking into the storm drain with no outside intervention she probably still won’t accept it as the army are so deranged at this point they would claim it was a deep fake.I've finished the podcast, and had a listen a to a couple of parts again.
We are investigating the investigation, fair enough Donal and probably needed in some aspects, those he has highlighted, dna, the bike. It does make sense that the psni should have bagged stuff properly or yes gone ahead and dna'd them so as to be able to say, yes all that was done, nothing found, rather than no we didn't bother.
1st thing people need to remember especially the army is that an investigation is still and has been ongoing all along, it a case of just waiting for court and to be honest it would have probably been to court and all if Fiona didn't keep intervening wanting more added in.
The most telling thing for me and he said it twice and is that once the day in court comes the psni is going to ambush the case with more evidence. This is not going to pan out well for Fiona, does it seem odd that they had cctv and more than likely more evidence that they haven't shared? Yes to us on tattle but maybe to them it's a normal part of an investigation that will all be heard in court at some point. And how can you talk to a mother who won't accept anything you say? So you leave it to a court.
Donal for me and the interviewer were fair and honest, so Noahs feet and knees were scratched and bloody, so he could have possibly crawled (Donal said) the water at one point was high and tidal. Its the family suggesting county lines no one else and again he was clear about that. He has discussed with Fiona the possibility of a mental health episode. Mentioned the book and the usual lockdown scenario, the high levels of suicide NI experiences.
I predict the outcome won't change, we may or may not hear what evidence the psni brought to court but Donal is clear it will be brought.
Yes transparency is needed and the investigator that worked on the Lawrence case said if you can't disclose something you tell the family you can't at present, could you imagine Fionas reaction to that, it certainly wouldn't be oh OK, I understand, it would be what is being hidden backed by an army.
If Donal shines a light on some shoddy shortcut police work that will be about the hight of it, the PSNI will apologise for their handling of certain things and Fiona will never accept anything bar murder and so it will go on.
Yeah, I think people getting tattoos of blue hearts etc is completely over the top. If it was your own family member then I get it but complete strangers!I think this insistence that a third party are involved is a red flag for me. I'm not going to get into it but to me it speaks volumes.
I'd need to listen again had it on in the background and was distracted a few times, something was mentioned about a policeman near a drain days before he was found and the explanation for that.
Think Donal is being careful with his words, pointing at the unusual circs and questioning the police handling.
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I know grifty but fuck me
Expecting journos to print all sorts of allegations..based on gossip. Sure stick it on prime time television.
SameI’m sorry but I laughed out loud at ‘Sharon’s fucking dream’
He said the senior investigating officer was photographed by a long lense from the road, looking into the drain that Noah would be later found near, the psni explanation was at that point he was overseeing and encouraging the officers to keep looking.I think this insistence that a third party are involved is a red flag for me. I'm not going to get into it but to me it speaks volumes.
I'd need to listen again had it on in the background and was distracted a few times, something was mentioned about a policeman near a drain days before he was found and the explanation for that.
Think Donal is being careful with his words, pointing at the unusual circs and questioning the police handling.
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I know grifty but fuck me
Expecting journos to print all sorts of allegations..based on gossip. Sure stick it on prime time television.
The leaks, they might have been slightly deliberate, after all they are waiting on their day in court, meanwhile you've blue hearts and Chinese whispers everywhere. Could be slight defensiveness too, in a lot of cases it always seems like absolutely nothing is being done, weeks can go by but it's all happening behind the scenes.They should have told her about the trip. Not telling her adds to the narrative that they didn't investigate properly, not collecting dna etc. That was wrong of them and they'll need to explain. They'll also need to explain the leaks as that points to a feeling of defensiveness.
I think they knew he entered the drain quite early in this, possibly days before he was recovered.
Just on the cello thing, I'm from a musical background thats not an instrument which is easily self taught. I question this genius narrative, someone is doing a lot of overcompensating.
I mean he may have been chosen for the orchestra and tuition continued online during lockdown, the online programmes are sans humans. But anyway I just see a mum who was telling everyone her child was super intelligent, I kinda have an aversion to people like that, the kids are rarely ok.
This makes sense and definitely a possibility and a cover up of that rather than a murder, so we go back round to police failings which is what Donal is hoping to expose and hopefully finally the truth.So last sighting Sunday places him in an area he could access the drain. Tuesday they've cameras in it.
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One of Donals angles is no overtime.
They may have known he was underground with the possibility of being alive and didn't do enough.
Think that's interesting. That may account for some of the lack of transparency.
Yes. People reported hearing voices and I'm sure Fiona said screaming or shouting. So its another possibility. Stuck, couldn't get out, tries to find a way out, drowns? Pretty horribleThis makes sense and definitely a possibility and a cover up of that rather than a murder, so we go back round to police failings which is what Donal is hoping to expose and hopefully finally the truth.
That’s strange. Because actually if you are running an independent investigation you want to find the truth…. Why do you need the families permission?
Because he's writing a book and he's being very careful with her. One wrong word and she blows.That’s strange. Because actually if you are running an independent investigation you want to find the truth…. Why do you need the families permission?
secondly was the whole thing of the Steven Lawrence trial that police didn’t really do a good job and it took the daily Mail of all papers to basically risk potential libel and just come out and name them as n their paper?
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