Nigel Farage

[PeteM]

Mark Corrigan is Scottish and Pete is London metropolitan liberal probs middle class. I love them both like I do all tattlers but they doooo not get what it’s like being poor and living in a deprived area where immigration has segmented communities

You should be more concerned that your demigod Nigel has no idea of this, with his privileged background and considerable bank account.

 

[Clytemnestra]

It's really awful - grim on the dogs as well as the foxes. I hunted a couple of times as a child (before I knew better). The dogs get trodden on & maimed by horses & they're bred to get the fox no matter what - we've had them tangled up in barbed wire on my folks' farm before, ripping themselves to shreds to get going again. Some threw themselves across a major road one year & got hit by cars... they're not socialised properly so they can't be pets - when they're too old to run anymore they're taken out & shot. There have also been cases of them mistaking cats for prey & ripping them to bits. And that's before getting to the fox & being chased to death, which is a very inefficient way of control. Don't get me wrong - foxes are arseholes - they poo everywhere and eat my chickens - but there are better ways of killing them off or getting your jollies on Boxing Day.

 

[LadyMuck]

The "hecklers" at the Reform conference yesterday are proven actors. All have featured in a film by Ken Loach

 

[Gym&Tonic]

I don’t give a toss about the boats. They don’t affect me.I do give a toss about the NHS crumbling, schools and other public services being massively underfunded and people being unable to heat their homes or afford to put food on the table.

 

[Whatevesmate]

 

[Merpedy]

There's also a million Reform voters all over social media saying they voted to show that immigration is a big issue. Even the news are focusing on that as part of their discussions

You don't have to go and have in depth discussions with every Reform voter out there to understand that the vast majority are voting for one reason and one reason only

 

[Phil Anne Throw Pee]

If it looks like a racist, speaks like a racist, acts like a racist and says racist things because it is being paid to do so IT IS A MOTHERFUCKING RACIST.

 

[Gym&Tonic]

He’s getting a fat dose of karma then. Good

 

[HelloStereo]

Well I agree.
Like I said above I think there are a very small amount of people that condone the looting, burning and so on of the BLM riots, or who had anything but contempt for the people who did that, but many who took on board the legitimate concerns that led to them. There are very much some legitimate concerns around mass migration.

He didn’t cause the riots come on guys. He’s spoken up for the basic principles behind why people are frustrated, and condemned the actual riots. He’s made it clear he doesn’t condone them.

Legitimate concerns that do not stand up to any kind of scrutiny.

They voted for Brexit because they had "valid concerns" but it just worked to decrease the numbers of immigrants they like, and increased the numbers of immigrants they don't. They went full out and started advocating for spending billions of pounds on an unrealistic Rwanda scheme, so undeliverable and distasteful even Rishi Sunak called an early election to escape it. They then got angry and started setting fire to things.

Of course, there are conversations to be had around people integrating, having the service infrastructure to accommodate everyone, and the safety concerns around crossing the English Channel on a small boat. But this isn't the level of discourse we're having when people are setting fire to hotels and wheelie bins.

 

[Lady_H]

His grift is being an antagonist - that's all there is.

I still find it hilarious that so many of his supporters were up in arms over the whole Coutts thing - when you can afford to bank there, you ain't no man of the people.

Why was that hilarious?

 

[PeteM]

And? What's exactly funny about it anyway?

 

[PeteM]

Yeah reform came second in NINETY EIGHT constituencies

That's a lot of gullible people who think that DER IMMIGRUNTS are to blame for their crappy lives and not growing inequality.

 

[jiggy_girl]

I want the NHS fixed but I can’t say how. Does that mean I’m not allowed to want it?

We are all perfectly entitled to have strong views and “wants” from our politicians without having to figure out the “hows”. That’s how our system works.

I think you should at least have some sort of idea how you would like to see that implemented - for example I would like to see it implemented by ensuring that our doctors and nurses are paid fairly, social care is fixed, GP surgeries actually see patients (preventing the A&E crisis), and I would like this to be funded by an initial windfall tax on the energy companies, as well as continued higher rates of corporation tax on the utility companies, and those with huge amounts of wealth. I would also like to see our CT rules tightened to ensure that foreign corps (like Apple) actually pay tax.

I think if you just blindly vote in this political climate, without any idea how these changes come about, you're doing yourself and society a disservice.

 

[Eliza89]

Seriously, how are we 'chocka'? There are loads of jobs available, for a start. The Uk's problems aren't being caused by immigrants (who are generally younger and net contributors to the economy - anyone interested in facts can read it here: https://assets.publishing.service.g...he_Fiscal_Impact_of_Immigration_on_the_UK.pdf - they're being caused because the country is poorly managed and money is being wasted hand over fist so services are crumbling. We've all been told to blame it on brown people, but if you actually think about it, it isn't true. Good ole Nige is a self interested conman.

Appreciate it’s an older map, but look at our population relative to our size compared to the rest of Europe

Without making any statement about immigration, I am envious of other countries that aren’t building new homes on every remaining plot of land

 

[monga]

Hopefully Pete M has arranged some sort of therapy.

 

[Justhereforthedrama]

Does that mean those that didn’t hold elections can look forward to more asylum seekers?

They literally do not have the power to prevent asylum seekers being put in their council areas. That is a Home Office decision. Again Farage making shit up to attract his lot. He has no legislative power to prevent it. Yet he's pretending that he can.

 

[PeteM]

Speaking of surgeries, anyone who voted for Farage to be their local MP needs brain surgery.

 

[PeteM]

So you have no problem with him driving around showing where the hotels with asylum seekers are. What a surprise. Stop palming off his actions with excuses.

 

[Miss Begotten]

Well that’s the US system, it’s hardly unheard of! For what it’s worth I don’t agree with it

Have you seen the state of America lately? That is the last place we want to emulate.

 

[PeteM]

Guys try and relate any NHS stuff back to Nige or his policies to keep the thread relevant. Think he wants to privatise it? Can see pros and cons

That's what people have been doing, as far as I can see, so no need to attempt to moderate it.

Day to day NHS funding has been below average over the last few years, so funding is an issue. However, there is definitely wasteful usage of that money in some ways - a friend of mine who's a doctor in Spain worked over here last year and couldn't believe the amount of admin roles involved as a follow on from his assessment of patients, whereas this is handled in a more efficient and cost effective manner in his home country.

Farage has never hidden how he feels about the NHS, saying back in 2012 that it should be funded through an insurance based system run by private sector companies, and saying more recently in an election debate that it should be scrapped in its current form.

I think that's a sufficient answer to your question "Think he wants to privatise it?".