If after another referendum it's still No , will she accept it ? Or will she keep trying again
SNP have wanted independence for many years. Referendums won’t change that unless independence happens. It seems roughly half the people of Scotland want it and half don’t. The next independence campaign will not include any “once in a generation” quotes I can bet. Not that it was ever in writing anyway.If after another referendum it's still No , will she accept it ? Or will she keep trying again
I believe a political generation is 7 years anywaySNP have wanted independence for many years. Referendums won’t change that unless independence happens. It seems roughly half the people of Scotland want it and half don’t. The next independence campaign will not include any “once in a generation quotes” I can bet. Not that it was ever in writing anyway.
But we did have a supposedly 'once in a generation' referendum and the answer was no. I doubt very much Europe is going to let Scotland join straight away, they'll want to make sure all the financial aspects of any 'divorce settlement' have been worked out first to make sure we qualify, and I suspect we won't. Much as I would love to be a proper European again, I don't see it happening for a good 10 years.I'm not Scottish but I feel there should be another referendum. It should be up to the people of Scotland to decide.
Under SNP there’s 21,500 (+15%) more staff in Scotland’s NHS.Under SNP rule education, healthcare and social care have become worse and these are things she has control of.
The “Once in a Generation Opportunity” comment should be treated in the same way as Boris’ “Dead in a Ditch” comment. That’s all they both were - a comment that the MSM latched on to and ran with.But we did have a supposedly 'once in a generation' referendum and the answer was no. I doubt very much Europe is going to let Scotland join straight away, they'll want to make sure all the financial aspects of any 'divorce settlement' have been worked out first to make sure we qualify, and I suspect we won't. Much as I would love to be a proper European again, I don't see it happening for a good 10 years.
I can assure you I am nothing like Trump supporters! It’s very easy to fool people with MSM and Unionist propaganda.SNP supporters sadly are quite similar to trump supporters. They want simple answers and will repeat the primary school level propaganda without engaging critical thinking because it says what they want it to say. Things like the gp headcount of someone employed in a role is useless out of context as it doesn't show their capacity and account for locums and registrars. It's very easy to fool some people with misleading picked stats, the SNP figures very quickly fall down if they're fact checked. Their a&e response times are good because that's been actively perused for headlines at the cost of other routine operations like cataracts having a longer wait time. Scotland maybe leading the world on alcohol pricing but that's because it's leading the world on alcohol abuse. That's the SNP all over telling half the story to try and spin it good as they know most of their core followers won't apply logic.
How rude!SNP supporters sadly are quite similar to trump supporters. They want simple answers and will repeat the primary school level propaganda without engaging critical thinking because it says what they want it to say. Things like the gp headcount of someone employed in a role is useless out of context as it doesn't show their capacity and account for locums and registrars. It's very easy to fool some people with misleading picked stats, the SNP figures very quickly fall down if they're fact checked. Their a&e response times are good because that's been actively perused for headlines at the cost of other routine operations like cataracts having a longer wait time. Scotland maybe leading the world on alcohol pricing but that's because it's leading the world on alcohol abuse. That's the SNP all over telling half the story to try and spin it good as they know most of their core followers won't apply logic.
Your "English tax" is paying for nothing of the sort. Also, fix your crimes against apostrophes.At the moment my English tax is paying Scotland for free University fee's and healthcare prescriptions.
University up here isn't even completely free. It's only the fees that are free (up to a point) and anyone wanting to studying beyond an undergraduate degree is going to have wheens of debt, unless they can get a scholarship or sponsorship.Our tax is paying for free prescriptions and free university
Agreed. Its also a dangerous road to go down and assume that all SNP voters are brainless morons.How rude!
I have voted SNP because the other Scottish parties are an embarrassment. I will vote no on Independence.
It did not say "once in generation" anywhere on the legal agreement so we can file this argument in the bin. Boris said he'd be dead in a ditch, are you going to kill him?I’m new to this threadl I confess I haven’t read it all.
The SNP said the referendum would be a once in a life time vote, this was said many times by Salmond and by Sturgeon. It’s also in their own white paper about independence.
Scotland's Future
Scotland’s referendum on 18 September 2014 is a choice between two futures.www.gov.scot
Had they got a yes vote, we would not have been allowed to have another one. But democracy isn’t the Snp’s strong point.
So the white paper means nothing? Funny, it doesn’t mean nothing when it’s promising rainbows and unicorns of Independence. Can’t have it both ways. The SNP leader at the time, said it also And is on record of saying so.It did not say "once in generation" anywhere on the legal agreement so we can file this argument in the bin. Boris said he'd be dead in a ditch, are you going to kill him?
You are arguing that we take politicians at their word so I was questioning if it was just politicians you don't like that have to live by their word.So the white paper means nothing? Funny, it doesn’t mean nothing when it’s promising rainbows and unicorns of Independence. Can’t have it both ways. The SNP leader at the time, said it also And is on record of saying so.
Boris Johnson has nothing to do with this. Why in every debate about Scottish independence does Boris get brought into it? It’s tiresome. His ditch comment is completely irrelevant, we are discussing Scotland and a remark made by the SNP leader at the time and the fact that it clearly states in the link I’ve mentioned once in a generation.
Yes my understanding of it is that a referendum can happen once every 7 years if it can be adequately justified. It's something that is discussed a lot in Ireland, talk of a reunification referendum has gathered speed recently. My thinking is that their recent success in the election and the fact that Scotland (along with NI) has left the EU against it's will since the last referendum gives the SNP a mandate for another referendum.As I’ve said previously, a political generation is defined as 7 years.
Also, several fact checks have been done on the comment made and it’s basically summed up as this...
“It is abundantly clear from the context of this statement (and with others like it) that Salmond is not agreeing to some alleged, one-off constitutional device – to be used once then locked away in a cupboard for 40 years. Rather he is encouraging the Scottish electorate to seize a particular opportunity (“a rare and precious moment in the history of Scotland”) to oppose austerity and make a fairer Scotland.
Nothing in this statement suggests Salmond is agreeing to close down opportunities in the future to oppose austerity or Brexit, if necessary, and no reasonable person could read that into the quote.”
Also, Boris is brought into the debate as he, and his party, is everything that is wrong with the status quo.