Nicola Sturgeon, SNP, Scottish Politics and Scottish Independence

[Caffeine Fiend]

“A police state goverened by corrupt officials”.

At present there are people in Russia, China, Iran, Venezuela, Belarus, North Korea, and Turkmenistan staring open mouthed at that statement. If they could see it off course. Which they can’t. Because it will be censored. Which is exactly how a Real Police state operates, not the fantasy one you have constructed in your head.

The fact that our rights to legally protest have been eroded and taken away is an injustice.

Also the people in power in this country *are* corrupt. The handing of million pound contracts to friends and family should not be allowed.

Yes what is happening in those countries is horrific. Absolutely abhorrent but it doesnt mean that we should accept the Government we have as positive and its all ok because other countries have it worse. I will not accept that. So yes both can be true. This country is goverened by corrupt officials in my opinion.

If you think the government are honest and good, youre entitled to that opinion but I personally believe theyre disgusting and expect the rest of us plebs to do x y and z whilst they do whatever the duck they please. People being fined for socialising during lockdown whilst they held 'work parties' for hundreds.

 

[NeverEnough]

The fact that our rights to legally protest have been eroded and taken away is an injustice.

Also the people in power in this country *are* corrupt. The handing of million pound contracts to friends and family should not be allowed.

Yes what is happening in those countries is horrific. Absolutely abhorrent but it doesnt mean that we should accept the Government we have as positive and its all ok because other countries have it worse. I will not accept that. So yes both can be true. This country is goverened by corrupt officials in my opinion.

If you think the government are honest and good, youre entitled to that opinion but I personally believe theyre disgusting and expect the rest of us plebs to do x y and z whilst they do whatever the duck they please. People being fined for socialising during lockdown whilst they held 'work parties' for hundreds.

And that is utter bollocks of the highest order. You and you alone have stated that the UK is a police state which suggests you either deal in completely hysterical hyperbole or you have no idea what a Police State actually is. You're right to protest is not being eroded, and if you don't believe me please take a placard and go and stand outside Downing Street. You won't be arrested or harrassed. You might be greeted with eyerolls or ignored, there is no obligation on anyone to agree with you're protest, recognise, take it seriously, or even not mock it. But you won't be arrested.

This is a democratic state with s long history of stable government and in three years time there will be a general election where you can vote to remove the government should it be your wish. And if enough people agree with you the government will be removed peacefully and with minimum of fuss, with no armed coup, arbitrary arrest or suspension of human rights. This is my prediction, if you wish to give an alternative prediction this is an open forum.

As for "us Plebs" then if you consider yourself to be a Pleb than all power to you. I don't, and given the the term Pleb originated in Ancient Rome to describe the Plebians who's votes were key to obtaining the Consulship, and whose support was instrumental in sweeping Caesar to power I think you have misunderstood that term as well. As the Plebs had a great deal of power. Y'know the people who liked the bread and circuses.

 

[blueblueindigo]

It's been obvious from the outset Spain would reject Scottish independence due to the Basque region in their own country. Remember it takes all nations to take in a new member. Plus we have the currency issue. The woman is myopic, bonkers. She once said she'd been dreaming of Scottish Independence from the age of 13. Most 13 year old girls are probably thinking about hair, nails, make-up, boys (or girls), etc. etc. She's a bleeping weirdo.

Then there is her slagging-off Boris and Trump (don't blame her for that tbf) for being populists. Does she know what the term means? My GOD. This women's whole agenda is aimed at winding-up pig-ignorant people (not their fault). Get a life love. Geeezus.

Not sure if you picked-up on the SNP's proposal to saw an inch off all doors in schools to help ventilation (for COVID-19). LOL. Nevermind the fire-risk, a lot of Scottish schools still have asbestos in their doors etc. etc. You really couldn't make it up. Ok, I get some scottish people hate the English etc. etc. But come on, the woman is nuts.

ps. How is this woman still leader of SNP? Don't they have a minimum 4 year term or something? She's like Putin with Haggis instead of Nukes. Nutcase.

So basically you have used ableist slurs multiple times because you don't like that she was engaged in politics at a young age (I'm sure there are many children around the world who hope for democracy, it seems rather privileged to not even entertain the idea that children are aware of politics and what it means for themselves, their family, their communities, their country and globally, seeing young people being so pro-active in educating themselves and making steps to do better in relation to the climate crisis is fantastic for one).

Then you add in some misinformation about politics and xenophobia.... charming.

 

[kazizzle]

So basically you have used ableist slurs multiple times because you don't like that she was engaged in politics at a young age (I'm sure there are many children around the world who hope for democracy, it seems rather privileged to not even entertain the idea that children are aware of politics and what it means for themselves, their family, their communities, their country and globally, seeing young people being so pro-active in educating themselves and making steps to do better in relation to the climate crisis is fantastic for one).

Then you add in some misinformation about politics and xenophobia.... charming.

I live in Scotland and started learning about uk and Scottish politics in secondary school when I was 11. We had mock elections and everything! This was in the 00s and I don’t really remember there being much chat of Scottish independence itself at that time but we learned about all the major parties and what their policies were. I think Scotland does a great job in getting young people engaged in politics - surely it makes more sense that they grow up understanding and learning about the system rather than just being thrown in to an election at 18 and not having an clue about anything.

 

[Whatsallthis]

I live in Scotland and started learning about uk and Scottish politics in secondary school when I was 11. We had mock elections and everything! This was in the 00s and I don’t really remember there being much chat of Scottish independence itself at that time but we learned about all the major parties and what their policies were. I think Scotland does a great job in getting young people engaged in politics - surely it makes more sense that they grow up understanding and learning about the system rather than just being thrown in to an election at 18 and not having an clue about anything.

Completely agree 100%. My daughter is almost 18 and is more politically aware & switched on than most “adults” I know.
I remember them researching and debating the independence referendum - She must’ve been about 10 at the time.
She voted last year for the first time. She spent weeks looking at all the parties/candidates before making an informed decision in who should get her X.
She gives me hope for the future. Hope that the young people of today will actually turn this world around from the tit show that it is right now.

 

[George Agdgdgwngo]

My mum’s family side is Scottish, I am English born. I spent many happy summers in Pebbles and Edinburgh, plus spent my Honeymoon in Scotland. However, I don’t think I would bother to visit again due to the anti English agenda by the SNP and it’s supporters. It’s very clear I am not welcome. All the Scot’s I know who live in England have commented on the SNP behave and are no fans of them either.

Whilst I am no fan of Galloway, he sums up the SNP very well here

 

[YellowMellow14]

aye, here I am just hating all the English including my own family because I want independence.

We don't hate England or the people that live there. We hate Westminster, the Tories, the inequality in the political system.

I live in an area of Scotland that has a huge English population and everyone is treated with respect.

 

[Ndrangheta]

I live in an area of Scotland that has a huge English population and everyone is treated with respect.

Pretty sure if it wasn't for gobshites with a chip on their shoulder trolling everyone for their own agenda we'd all get along just fine.

 

[This Is Not An Ad]

I can’t stand the woman. If Scotland got independence I really wouldn’t give one tit or see it as a loss to the rest of the U.K. tbh

 

[Whatsallthis]

I can’t stand the woman. If Scotland got independence I really wouldn’t give one tit or see it as a loss to the rest of the U.K. tbh

If only Westminster felt the same…

 

[Miranda13]

My mum’s family side is Scottish, I am English born. I spent many happy summers in Pebbles and Edinburgh, plus spent my Honeymoon in Scotland. However, I don’t think I would bother to visit again due to the anti English agenda by the SNP and it’s supporters. It’s very clear I am not welcome. All the Scot’s I know who live in England have commented on the SNP behave and are no fans of them either.

Whilst I am no fan of Galloway, he sums up the SNP very well here

Absolute nonsense. I am English, live in Scotland and in 30+ years have never been subjected to any anti English abuse.
People in England need to stop believing the rubbish printed in the media and understand that the basis of Independence is getting away from the London based Tory rule. Its not anti English generally - just the frustration of being governed by a party you didn't vote for who look down on people in Scotland. Remember Rees-Mogg calling his own tory leader in Scotland a 'lightweight'?
Saying that I think Indy2 will fail again, but for goodness sake don't let media lies stop you from visiting.

 

[Falkor]

Absolute nonsense. I am English, live in Scotland and in 30+ years have never been subjected to any anti English abuse.
People in England need to stop believing the rubbish printed in the media and understand that the basis of Independence is getting away from the London based Tory rule. Its not anti English generally - just the frustration of being governed by a party you didn't vote for who look down on people in Scotland. Remember Rees-Mogg calling his own tory leader in Scotland a 'lightweight'?
Saying that I think Indy2 will fail again, but for goodness sake don't let media lies stop you from visiting.

Whereas I've lived in Scotland for 14 years, married to a Scot, and have been called a white settler and a wall jumper - it just depends where you live, I think.

 

[Miranda13]

Whereas I've lived in Scotland for 14 years, married to a Scot, and have been called a white settler and a wall jumper - it just depends where you live, I think.

Sorry to hear that.

However, the ideas that all SNP voters do so purely out of hatred for the English or that everyone in Scotland hates the English are still perpetuated in the media. I hate that this is seen as the ONLY reason to vote SNP.

It's a shame that visitors are being put off coming here, where I am there are all nationalities, and Scots are so welcoming.

 

[Yel]

Not sure if you picked-up on the SNP's proposal to saw an inch off all doors in schools to help ventilation (for COVID-19). LOL. Nevermind the fire-risk, a lot of Scottish schools still have asbestos in their doors etc. etc.

That whole fiasco is hilarious, 300k to cut off doors and carrying on calling it common sense after all the issues raised that clearly outweigh doing it now covid is coming to the end

Credit where it's due the Scottish government did do well over the PPE issue and starting to make their own and thus solving it long term.

 

[kazizzle]

Sorry to hear that.

However, the ideas that all SNP voters do so purely out of hatred for the English or that everyone in Scotland hates the English are still perpetuated in the media. I hate that this is seen as the ONLY reason to vote SNP.

It's a shame that visitors are being put off coming here, where I am there are all nationalities, and Scots are so welcoming.

Exactly this. I have plenty of English friends and have no issues with any of them. I have no problem with people moving to Scotland or visiting here who will respect our beautiful country in the same way I do. I don’t see why wanting independence needs to be linked with hating the English. It’s about wanting governance over our own country and not being forced to follow Tory-rule when the UK government don’t care in the slightest about Scotland. I think a lot of the anti-English vibe that does get reported comes from English people deliberately stoking the fire and treating Scottish people like we are lower than them and “too wee too stupid” to have control of our own country. There’s always going to be animosity between people with different viewpoints but it doesn’t translate in to complete hatred of another nations people.

I genuinely think people in Scotland can be quite conservative minded and think the Scottish Tories could do well here if they distanced themselves from their English counterparts and started working for Scotland and not following blindly along. Voting SNP now to show support for independence does not mean you are voting SNP for life. We don’t know what parties would emerge in an Indy Scotland.

 

[I did the best I could]

I'm English and I've lived in Glasgow but now live outside of a city further north. I've been subjected to a fair bit of anti English stuff. The snp has made it get worse and have been very effective at mobilising people to cause division and chaos that benefits them.
SNP voters and Brexit voters share a lot in common. Often about soundbites that don't stand up to critical thinking but tug on the heartstrings. Easy to blame all your problems on someone else.

 

[LittleMy]

How many times have us Scots been referred to as “Jocks” and the like though? Often by a certain group of people too. It works both ways unfortunately but usually we’re expected to take it on the chin as it’s “banter”.

 

[Caffeine Fiend]

Im Scottish and in my employment mostly deal with English and Welsh colleagues. There are a certain group of people who claim to not understand me.

Maybe 10%? Considering the other 90% can understand me and I dont have a strong accent at all. I find it really hard to believe that I cant be understood. I also have a work voice so I do speak slow and properly.

Also had plenty of comments about jock / braveheart / bonny wee lass (Im a grown woman FWIW) which in a work environment is not appropriate at all. Its like calling an Irish person Paddy Id never take it further but its not ok.

 

[PrincessCharming]

Worse than “Jocks” - “Sweaties” as in Sweaty Socks.

Pretty much all my English friends living in Scotland can see through the bullshit and are independence supporters.

 

[This Is Not An Ad]

I’ve been to Scotland once in my early 20s and I did enjoy it tbh. But what I do remember a group of lads coming over to chat us up but when they heard us speak they were like oh no they’re English. And walked off