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Flibbertigibbet

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I haven't heard any rumours about David Tennant, but he is one of those people who roars at others to #BEKIND! if they disagree even slightly with his super-progressive ally stances, and that kind of sanctimony is usually a mask of some sort.
 
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SqualorVictoria

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I feel like he was arrogant enough to expect to get away with it after the podcast came out last year. He has such an avid (rabid possibly at times?) fan base I think he assumed they would take his side, similarly to what happened with the Johnny/Amber court case
My husband, who is (now was) a massive fan, couldn't believe it when I first told him, and wondered if it was a consensual BDSM relationship that ended bitterly or maybe it was Amanda trying to smear his name. He's definitely changed his mind now and sees it for what it is, which is abuse, but his initial reaction was disbelief because this was someone he admired. Unfortunately I think this is why Neil has been able to get away with this behaviour for so long. People don't want to believe their heroes are actually horrible people

I also was a fan (though not as much as hubbie) but I never fell for his 'I'm a feminist' routine. In my experience, with men who say that it's usually a ploy to get women to sleep with them. They don't anything constructive to further women's rights like taking a pay cut so they are all equal pay with you.

They are also the same men who say 'Sex work is work' and porn is empowering to women 🙄
See also: men who call women TERFs and who are vehement trans activists
 
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GabbyBeGone

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I can’t stand David T. He’s put information out about the gender identity of his child when the child was primary school age, so at the very least I think he’s a prat who is willing to sacrifice his child’s privacy for clout.
 
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TheMan

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Any guy who is "Outspoken" about feminism is a wrongun. Neil is no exception.
 
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Tea_and_Biscuits

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I feel like he was arrogant enough to expect to get away with it after the podcast came out last year. He has such an avid (rabid possibly at times?) fan base I think he assumed they would take his side, similarly to what happened with the Johnny/Amber court case
My husband, who is (now was) a massive fan, couldn't believe it when I first told him, and wondered if it was a consensual BDSM relationship that ended bitterly or maybe it was Amanda trying to smear his name. He's definitely changed his mind now and sees it for what it is, which is abuse, but his initial reaction was disbelief because this was someone he admired. Unfortunately I think this is why Neil has been able to get away with this behaviour for so long. People don't want to believe their heroes are actually horrible people

I also was a fan (though not as much as hubbie) but I never fell for his 'I'm a feminist' routine. In my experience, with men who say that it's usually a ploy to get women to sleep with them. They don't anything constructive to further women's rights like taking a pay cut so they are all equal pay with you.

They are also the same men who say 'Sex work is work' and porn is empowering to women 🙄
 
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InkHeart

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My point really was, most of these lads who claim to be Allies are actually the worst type of man. They hide behind it to get access to women. And he's been one to say Believe ALL women, so lets hope he believes his victims this time too. And yeah his ex is scum. Not really shocking though, she claims to be a "Shock Rocker".
He calls himself a "male feminist" often. And like you, I can't remember a time a good man felt the need to announce that he saw women as equal to men. I mean... who does that?! If I went around announcing that I thought Black people deserved equality with white people, everyone would rightly be like "What the fuck, why are you announcing that like it's a cool idea you just came up with? All normal people think like that as default."
 
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TheMan

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My point really was, most of these lads who claim to be Allies are actually the worst type of man. They hide behind it to get access to women. And he's been one to say Believe ALL women, so lets hope he believes his victims this time too. And yeah his ex is scum. Not really shocking though, she claims to be a "Shock Rocker".
 
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smartalec

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His wife apparently knew it was all going on and served the vulnerable nanny up on a plate.
She groomed and trafficked women. The part where she doesn’t pay the desperate nanny is an obvious way to control her and make her dependent on them.

I re-read that article. It’s so difficult for victims to see what is going on. Felt increasingly enraged at his manipulative but entirely predictable behaviour, including the abuser classics of threatening to kill himself and DARVO (he calls says to one victim ‘I thought you were a monster’), using therapy as a shield…

His money will cushion him. He will find more enablers and victims. He will disappear for a while then either try and come back as a misunderstood victim (the Scientology childhood, BDSM) or alt-right like Brand.
 
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I saw a bit of the report that said that amanda asked him if he made sure their son 'wore his headphones' while (presumably) gaiman had sex with the nanny in a hotel room. Gaiman said 'no' and hung up.

The nanny says she was raped in that instance. That poor woman, that poor child.
 
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Flibbertigibbet

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His work is not my cup of tea, and I am not a fan of anything to the extent of going to book signings, backstage doors etc., but I am starting to wonder if being a fan is as much a barrier to informed consent as drink or drugs. Hero-worship is very dangerous, and I think a lot of the superfans of the fantasy/comicbook genre might be particularly vulnerable because they are looking for a reassurance in the works that is missing from their lives, due to trauma or just being socially awkward. I hope they will be able to band together and get the support they need.
 
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lilykestrel

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Yes, @lilykestrel that poor child needs help. What a misfortune to be born to such twisted parents. Neither of them should have custody of him - Amanda is complicit and her childcare arrangements are exploitative at best, and do not have her son's interests in mind.
no, it felt glib to say it given *gestures at everything else* but there's something desperately wrong with someone who, rather than employ, you know, a qualified background-checked childcare professional to take care of your child, you just hand your kid over to someone you *literally* met on the street.
 
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smartalec

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Does he not understand grooming? Of course he does, he's just incapable of seeing it in his own behaviour
I think more than that - he does and he enjoys it. Rapists know they are raping. The rape and the emotional suffering/distress of his victim afterwards are both things he enjoys and thrived on. Look at Andrew Tate. He coaches thousands of men how to groom and abuse women. It is not an accident.

Abuse feels so unbelievable to emotionally normal people we can get reeled in to the idea that abusers are unaware / uneducated. This means victims often give their abusers the benefit of the doubt or deny what has happened or believe some justification.

He knows. He doesn’t care. He will always do it when he thinks he can get away with it.
 
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García the Great

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Just read the article, what a terrible terrible day to be literate. Almost threw up everywhere, why do people STILL think they can get away with this disgusting behaviour in the wake of MeToo and all the rest of it? Do they not stop to think that sooner or later they're going to be outed?? Amanda definitely knew what was going and she was aiding Neil and exploiting the nanny who was vulnerable, broke and would otherwise be homeless. The sexual abuse with the son in the room is unspeakable and I feel devastated for that boy who's going to grow up and read that about himself.
 
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smartalec

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Disgusting scumbag. His abuse widens with every story - every abuser box ticked with the resources to bully, bribe and financially abuse women. I really don’t know how the enablers like his lawyers can live with themselves.

The details of the kid, the boundary crossing and exposing them to sexual acts, is an enormous red flag.

The details also scream porn brain.
 
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Ilaariaa

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I feel like he was arrogant enough to expect to get away with it after the podcast came out last year. He has such an avid (rabid possibly at times?) fan base I think he assumed they would take his side, similarly to what happened with the Johnny/Amber court case
My husband, who is (now was) a massive fan, couldn't believe it when I first told him, and wondered if it was a consensual BDSM relationship that ended bitterly or maybe it was Amanda trying to smear his name. He's definitely changed his mind now and sees it for what it is, which is abuse, but his initial reaction was disbelief because this was someone he admired. Unfortunately I think this is why Neil has been able to get away with this behaviour for so long. People don't want to believe their heroes are actually horrible people

I also was a fan (though not as much as hubbie) but I never fell for his 'I'm a feminist' routine. In my experience, with men who say that it's usually a ploy to get women to sleep with them. They don't anything constructive to further women's rights like taking a pay cut so they are all equal pay with you.

They are also the same men who say 'Sex work is work' and porn is empowering to women 🙄
One of his stories deals with this exact situation. A male writer brags about being a feminist while at the same time enslaving and repeatedly raping a goddess (the muse Calliope) to magically gain inspiration and talent. It's chilling considering what has now resurfaced.
 
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ahkrin

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Haven't read that article but it's pure arrogance to even think about making a comeback. He's rich enough to just disappear, fight or settle the cases and live out of the limelight. But no, he wants to try to win back the adoration and attention. Disgusting creep.
 
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Danica Catrick

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Have you seen his denial? Not sure if I can link it https://journal.neilgaiman.com/2025/01/breaking-silence.html?m=1

You'd think this great man of literature would do better than such a series of cliches

... I haven't responded yet because I'm so respectful... I'm so sad this happened... What happened didn't happen like these misguided women think.. If it did happen I didn't mean it... I was emotionally unavailable (implying the women wanted a relationship)... I'm learning and growing... Some things happened and some didn't (I won't tell you what I am denying, as there is evidence but I'll muddy the waters)

He is an OLD pervert and abuser

Apparently more investigations in the pipeline.
That whole statement is 🤢, but this paragraph is especially poor:

I was emotionally unavailable while being sexually available, self-focused and not as thoughtful as I could or should have been. I was obviously careless with people's hearts and feelings, and that's something that I really, deeply regret. It was selfish of me. I was caught up in my own story and I ignored other people's.
 
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lilykestrel

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It's all awful, but if the stuff involving his kid is true (and I have no reason to doubt it), I hope that kid has been paired with a decent therapist who can handle covert CSA adequately (and not some wooey woo bullshitter like the one that's quoted in the article) and never has unsupervised contact with Gaiman again, the sick fuck
 
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