Missing people and murder cases #4

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Charlene Downes case is so sad. What did they say about her background?
There’s a 10 part podcast about this case by Naomi Channell if you’re interested in listening to more about this case. It’s called REAL presents what happened to Charlene Downes?

it’s currently coming up under the who killed billie jo podcast on apple podcasts for me because that’s the most recent case she covered
 
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I know of the case and have read about it online quite a lot. It’s also been discussed on the real life crime and murder threads (if you fancies a read) I’ll copy and paste an article another user posted at the time…

I've done this before but will do it every time I have to. All you need to know about Charlene Downes is contained in this article from the times written in 2013 - it's now paywalled so I've transcribed it. I would also go as far as to say that I am 99% certain that she will never be found and her case will never be solved.

Too little cared for and too little mourned

"There goes Charlene Downes, ten years ago today, skipping towards the bright lights of Blackpool. Never to be seen again.

It was late autumn, the final night of the season. During the evening, the 14-year-old was spotted in a bar at the seaside resort’s North Pier. Someone bought her a vodka and Coke. She left with a young friend. They headed for a dark, waste-strewn passageway lined on each side by the rear entrances to several takeaway food premises.

This was “Paki Alley”, where chips and alcohol were in plentiful supply for children smart enough to know that one good turn deserved another. Arcades and kebab shops were a cheap escape from teenage boredom but on that particular night, November 1, 2003, a crime took place which meant that Charlene never came home.

A decade on and the unsolved murder has barely registered with the mainstream public. By contrast, Britain’s far-right parties have taken such an interest in the Downes case that banners demanding “Justice for Charlene” were raised on football terraces by sections of hardcore fans.

Their focus was triggered by a 2007 criminal trial at which it was alleged that the child was killed by a Jordanian kebab-shop owner who later disposed of her body with the help of his Iranian business partner. No remains were discovered.

Lacking concrete proof of murder, the prosecution was built on hearsay evidence from an unreliable witness and on a police officer’s transcription of low-quality recordings from bugs placed in the flat and car of one of the suspects. Its accuracy was repeatedly challenged by the defence.

On the eve of a scheduled 2008 retrial, after the first hearing led to a hung jury, the case collapsed. Both defendants were acquitted. The far-right’s conspiracy theory — dark-skinned men getting away with the rape and murder of a white girl — gained strength in 2011 when it emerged that an unpublished police report identified more than 60 girls who were groomed for sex by Asian workers at a cluster of takeaways.

Today, Charlene’s disappearance will be marked by a memorial service in the town, organised by the British National Party. Tomorrow, its supporters will stage a demonstration against “Muslim grooming gangs”. Leading the tributes will be her parents, Robert and Karen Downes. They are cherished icons of the nationalist movement. But they sit on a hollow throne.

The truth, hidden until now, is that so many men of all creeds and colours were suspected of sexual offences against Charlene that when she first went missing the police did not know which way to turn. One of the trails led directly inside the Downes family home. Confidential witness statements, social services records and internal police reports reveal that the child protection authorities first became concerned about Charlene’s home environment in 1989, the year she was born.

Then, the family were living in the West Midlands. Police and social services launched a joint investigation because a convicted rapist, jailed three times for buggery and indecent assaults on two young girls, was a regular visitor to the house and was allowed unsupervised access to a child.

Mr Downes, now 52, was “strongly advised” by social services not to allow the man inside his home but the visits were suspected to have continued. A witness told the authorities she saw the rapist “fondling [a child] in the house and that the parents were present”. They deny that any such incident happened.

In 1998, when Charlene was 9, she and another girl alleged that they were being sexually abused by a man “trusted by Mr and Mrs Downes to take them to school”. He was charged with rape but the case collapsed when the other girl failed to give evidence.

Charlene’s parents told The Times that the man seemed trustworthy because “he had a girlfriend”. They rejected a police officer’s report that they “had some knowledge of the abuse but failed to act”.

The family moved to Blackpool in 1999 after Walsall social services threatened to prosecute the parents for wilful neglect and to have the children taken into care. In the North West, a succession of men were introduced to the family after meeting Mr Downes in local pubs. Some stayed overnight or even longer.

They included a man in his 50s who described Charlene, then 13, as his girlfriend, and a 40-year-old who later admitted to police that he paid her to carry out a sex act. Three days after Charlene vanished, a 34-year-old man, staying with the Downes family while on bail, was jailed for crimes that included indecent assaults on three young girls. He admitted indecently touching the missing child.

An account of life inside the Downes home came from an environmental health officer, visiting one morning on council business, who walked into a downstairs room to find Charlene, then 12, lying on a bed in a “skimpy” nightgown. Lying alongside her was a man in his 60s. The girl jumped up and “started to scoop a number of pound coins off the bed”. The man, “shaken and trembling”, began “pulling his trouser zip up and fastening his belt”.

In a witness statement, the council employee described his shock at “the situation I had stumbled into”. He said Charlene was quick to tell him that “it’s OK — he’s my uncle”. Mr Downes then entered the room, apparently unconcerned, and explained that the man was “a family friend”. The incident was reported to social services but “it was decided not to pursue the matter further due to lack of evidence, lack of co-operation from the family and no complaint from Charlene”.

Her parents described it as a misunderstanding. Mrs Downes blamed the council worker for being too “nosey”. They said that the man on the bed with Charlene was “a lovely, nice old man” who had merely been adjusting his trousers. Mr Downes said he did not know, at the time, that any of the men he brought home had a sexual interest in children.

The couple did not comment on a hospital doctor’s report from June 2000, when Charlene was 11, warning of suspected sexual abuse, nor on the 13 visits she made to an NHS walk-in centre over a 12-month period in 2002-03, when she regularly sought help for sexual health problems.

Her mother insisted this week that her husband always sought to protect their daughter. She described the documents seen by this newspaper as “widely exaggerated and untrue”.

This is the mother of a child who apparently made regular visits, aged 11, to a Salvation Army soup kitchen and was seen dancing for men outside a pub, aged 12. Her parents explained that she enjoyed going “to church” and often danced to “music that she liked”. It was against this background that Charlene began swapping sexual favours, during the final months of her life, with Asian and Arab takeaway workers.

The Times understands that, three months before she vanished, she was one of two girls driven by Asian men from Blackpool to a lay-by in Blackburn. There, at midnight, she walked down an alley with one of the men, returning an hour later. Back in Blackpool, she was handed an envelope. Her friend asked what was inside and was told it was “what I got for what I did in Blackburn”.

Another Asian man is known to have taken her to Manchester in an old BMW less than a week before she disappeared. Neither incident was connected to the two men who stood trial over her murder.

It can also be revealed that a week before she went missing, a white man with the “motive and opportunity to murder Charlene” gave her £40. He met her again on her final night. A police report described him as a “compulsive, perverted paedophile” living in “a squalid flat knee-deep in pornographic material of all types including those featuring young children”.

Lancashire Constabulary today announces a new investigation, pledging “an open mind” about the murder. Its inquiry will not be short of suspects. Some are white; some are not.

Evidence shows that Charlene Downes was failed throughout her life. Until now, she has also been failed in death. The reports suggest that she was let down by her parents, by care professionals, by dozens of sex abusers, by her killers and by a police force that mismanaged a murder inquiry.

Today, the BNP distorts her story to sow seeds of divisive malevolence. Too little cared for, too little mourned. She deserves better."
@Be More Pacific posted a lot about Charlene and I read the case review - I’m sure they posted but I can’t find it. The poor girl was failed by so many.
 
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Karma. He shouldn't have got such a short sentence for such a brutal murder though.


Cold-blooded killer, 36, who murdered 16-year-old girl and dumped her body in woodland nearly 20 years ago dies in car crash
 
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Just finished listening to Casefile presents - The detectives dilemma which is about the murders of Sian O'Callaghan and Becky Godden. I've read/watched a lot about this case but the podcast went into a lot of detail that I either hadn't heard before or that I maybe forgot. It was really good.
 
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There's a woman missing from Salisbury for about a week, Lynne Morrall. Salisbury Journal have had articles about her quite prominently placed on the website all week but I just went and checked and couldn't see any trace of articles today (although they come up when you Google her name).

She's 69 and last seen getting off a bus in Salisbury, from what I can find I think she lives in Downton which is about 15-20mins away. Police have been searching rivers etc.
Quoting myself, but more about this missing lady. All the reports last week said she had gone missing from Salisbury, but now apparently she had travelled from Salisbury to Ringwood and they have CCTV of her getting off a bus in Ringwood.
 
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There’s a 10 part podcast about this case by Naomi Channell if you’re interested in listening to more about this case. It’s called REAL presents what happened to Charlene Downes?

it’s currently coming up under the who killed billie jo podcast on apple podcasts for me because that’s the most recent case she covered
I was also going to recommend this podcast, I really like the way Naomi does her podcasts. She plays some of the recordings mentioned in that article.
 
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We have a woman local to us currently missing. She's been missing for over a week. She was seen getting off the bus in town and then again getting on and off the bus home. Only She got off 12 miles from.her home. Its very worrying. She's either got confused or doesn't want to be found.
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There's a woman missing from Salisbury for about a week, Lynne Morrall. Salisbury Journal have had articles about her quite prominently placed on the website all week but I just went and checked and couldn't see any trace of articles today (although they come up when you Google her name).

She's 69 and last seen getting off a bus in Salisbury, from what I can find I think she lives in Downton which is about 15-20mins away. Police have been searching rivers etc.
Just posted about her without seeing this!
 
I was also going to recommend this podcast, I really like the way Naomi does her podcasts. She plays some of the recordings mentioned in that article.
It’s really well presented, and I’ll be looking for more of her podcasts to listen to.
 
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It’s really well presented, and I’ll be looking for more of her podcasts to listen to.
The other series she has done I’ve really liked, and many of the standalone episodes are a great listen too.
 
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This lady been missing 3.5 weeks and no sign of anything. Very sad for the family.
Why do some cases get national coverage and others seem to get nothing?
They unfortunately recovered her body from the river lagan.

 
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Has anyone watched Six Silent Killings: Ireland’s Vanishing Triangle on Sky Documentaries? Just started watching and it seems fascinating.
 
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Has anyone watched Six Silent Killings: Ireland’s Vanishing Triangle on Sky Documentaries? Just started watching and it seems fascinating.
Have this downloaded to watch but haven’t steeled myself to do it yet. Might give it a watch over the weekend.

I’ve finished the podcast on Charlene Downes. I don’t know why I’d not heard about the case before.
I’m so angry on her behalf. Someone has done her harm and has lived a full and free life afterwards.
Her parents are an absolute disgrace and, in my view, those poor kids were so badly let down by their parents and by every authority figure that came into contact with the family.
It makes me sick to the stomach to think of the filth that they allowed into their home whilst they had young kids.
And I can’t help thinking that there’s a reason why they didn’t report Charlene missing for 2 days.
 
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Have this downloaded to watch but haven’t steeled myself to do it yet. Might give it a watch over the weekend.

I’ve finished the podcast on Charlene Downes. I don’t know why I’d not heard about the case before.
I’m so angry on her behalf. Someone has done her harm and has lived a full and free life afterwards.
Her parents are an absolute disgrace and, in my view, those poor kids were so badly let down by their parents and by every authority figure that came into contact with the family.
It makes me sick to the stomach to think of the filth that they allowed into their home whilst they had young kids.
And I can’t help thinking that there’s a reason why they didn’t report Charlene missing for 2 days.
Oh to me her parents were absolutely pimping her out to these men. When was the last time any of your dads brought a rando home from the pub - let alone a series of p*edos? It strikes me that they were just as likely to have been as guilty of her murder than some person in Blackpool.

If they didnt kill her I bet they thought she had finally ran away - and didnt want to alert the police in case she revealed all to them.
 
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The little 2 year old missing in Serbia has allegedly been murdered…2 people have confessed to her murder? 😢
 
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Oh to me her parents were absolutely pimping her out to these men. When was the last time any of your dads brought a rando home from the pub - let alone a series of p*edos? It strikes me that they were just as likely to have been as guilty of her murder than some person in Blackpool.

If they didnt kill her I bet they thought she had finally ran away - and didnt want to alert the police in case she revealed all to them.
Sadly, I think you’re right.
If you listen to the call reporting her missing, the mum has clearly rehearsed what she was going to say about the events leading up to the disappearance.
Later, the lady running the cold case group says there’s no cctv footage at all of the period of time she supposedly met with her mum and sister for the last time.
The lady, whose name I’ve forgotten already!, goes on to say that she doesn’t believe this meeting happened.
I’m inclined to agree with her; the version of events doesn’t ring true.
 
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Oh to me her parents were absolutely pimping her out to these men. When was the last time any of your dads brought a rando home from the pub - let alone a series of p*edos? It strikes me that they were just as likely to have been as guilty of her murder than some person in Blackpool.

If they didnt kill her I bet they thought she had finally ran away - and didnt want to alert the police in case she revealed all to them.
bleeping pig
 
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Quoting myself, but more about this missing lady. All the reports last week said she had gone missing from Salisbury, but now apparently she had travelled from Salisbury to Ringwood and they have CCTV of her getting off a bus in Ringwood.
Body has been discovered 😞
 
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