Missing Blogger Esther Dingley

[AlanB]

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"And, side note, if there’s anyone (I don’t mean this thread, I just mean generally in society) who doesn’t like that, then they need to do more to stop so many women being murdered by men - both the ones they do and don’t know. There is *so much* that could be done. "
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So please detail what you think could be done - the sort of person that does this is hardly likely to be open to the argument "Don't murder people..."

With regard to this case, the fact that the boyfriend comes over as very controlling and attempting to shape the narrative (it is quite clear that they had relationship problems both recently and in the past but he flat out denies any recent issues) does not necessarily mean that he killed her - but it IS a 'Red Flag' that the Police have not excluded him from the suspects, it would be very easy for them to do this.

To be honest once the Johara character started talking about psychics I lost interest, I am not of the view that psychics can do what they claim - just my opinion.

 

[OnlyHereForTheLolz]

I think there could be footage of her being attacked and eaten by a bear and some people would still say “it was the bf”

 

[judgejohndeed]

I think there could be footage of her being attacked and eaten by a bear and some people would still say “it was the bf”

I'm not really sure of the basis on which he can be ruled out sensibly at this stage though? Some of us obviously just have a bad feeling about him when others don't and that's fine, but statistically speaking he IS the most likely suspect.

 

[palmer85]

I think there could be footage of her being attacked and eaten by a bear and some people would still say “it was the bf”

He could have a bear suit!

 

[OnlyHereForTheLolz]

He could have a bear suit!

Touche!

 

[simonsays]

I was reading today that one of the mountaineers in the area who used to work for the police rescue team has said that it is most likely that Esther fell down and slipped on the scree on the mountain. When you look at some of the pics of the paths it seems quite possible.

Accidents and slips do happen. I was chatting to a woman a few weeks ago who was hiking alone in Spain in the mountains. She slipped and fell on to some glass. The glass went through her hand and caused a fairly major injury. She had to bandage it up as best she could and walk for 4 hours to a hospital. She almost fainted when she got to the hospital but she made it.

 

[sassmaster3000]

He could have a bear suit!

Dan’s a furry, pass it on

 

[MarthaFarkus]

Esther Dingley: Human remains found are missing British hiker's, charity says http://news.sky.com/story/esther-di...-missing-british-hikers-charity-says-12367853
Rest in Peace, Esther. How very sad

 

[Jane Fonda]

They've only found one bone? And no clothing or equipment?

 

[Came for the comments]

I think @Johara joined us from websleuths as ws wasn’t allowing A lot of posts the posts that were made here wouldn’t of been allowed there I wouldn’t look too much into it

They've only found one bone? And no clothing or equipment?

Yes! I think I’m the wilderness that’s expected?

 

[Jane Fonda]

The fact that someone running in the mountains found the bone suggests that it wasn't in a dangerous area for hikers. Would indicate that she did not die there.

If she did have an accident elsewhere, then yes, perhaps animals moved her remains. However, it's still odd that after all the searches her clothing and equipment wasn't spotted.

I had a quick read about vultures and came across this article from a few years back!

Why Vultures Devoured Hiker's Body in Minutes

Ravenous Griffon vultures left almost nothing for police to recover of a hiker's body from the French Pyrenees.

www.livescience.com

 

[Pippa M]

How sad but not totally unexpected. Condolences to her family and friends.
I hope they will be able to work out what actually caused her death and put closure to it.

 

[simonsays]

With the weather and snow it can be hard to find bodies. There was another case where a French climber, Gatien Loison, disappeared in 2012 in the same area. They found his body three years later.

 

[palmer85]

They've only found one bone? And no clothing or equipment?

I think they have found one bone (not identified as what as far as I know) and a skull. The reports are confusing and contradictory, LBT Global say only one bone was found. Anyone got a definitive answer? If it was just one bone the mountain runner did well to spot it and think of it as "suspicious".

Pyrénées. Le crâne retrouvé est bien celui d'Esther Dingley, l'Anglaise portée disparue depuis huit mois

Le crâne retrouvé à Bagnères-de-Luchon (Haute-Garonne) est bien celui de la blogueuse Esther Dingley, indiquent des sources britanniques à Actu Toulouse vendredi 30 juillet 2021.

actu.fr

D’après nos informations, deux os retrouvés se sont avérés être « d’origine animale », mais le morceau de crâne, qui portait des restes de cheveux longs, était bien humain. Et ces analyses ADN et morphologiques réalisées par les spécialistes toulousains ont permis de confirmer qu’il s’agissait de celui d’Esther Dingley.

 

[AlanB]

They've only found one bone? And no clothing or equipment?

This appears to be the case, one assumes moved by animals of some kind - the whole thing is very sad.

Now they have to find out where and how she died - and that doesn't look like it's going to be easy...

Note: palmer85, the partial skull bone was identified as being from Ms. Dingley, that's all it seems, the others are from animals. I believe it was suspicious to the runner because it was a skull or partial skull with hair.

Remains found in Pyrenees belong to missing hiker Esther Dingley

Human remains found in the search for British hiker Esther Dingley have been confirmed as being hers.

www.standard.co.uk

 

[Shadwells]

Now a bone has been confirmed as Esther, we know now, tragically, she's dead. But beyond that nothing's changed. Dan still doesn't have any kind of alibi (the cops don't have his phone or computer); he could easily have cycled, hitched, caught a bus (which goes through the village) or had access to a vehicle. He has no coherent explanation for why he waited 3 DAYS to report her missing! He denies Esther had left him, when Esther made this clear to a walker who's now given 3 police forces a statement. He's never produced any evidence for why he was so confident she would return on 25th when he also says she'd repeatedly delayed returning. He's always denied she left in a hurry when they'd just finished a very long trip and she'd had no plan to leave that day; and she slept in a lay-by an hour from him, then drove another hour the next day and stayed at a caravan site on her own for a whole week. He's said she was super-competent in the hills and could not have got lost while the local Search and Rescue folk have made it clear that her movements on the hill made no sense and that's why they don't know where to look for a body. If she had an accident, it was obviously because she got lost and out of her depth; the background is her wandering aimlessly, beyond her abilities, to stay away from the boyfriend she'd just left (and was hounding her to come back?). The few texts Dan has released are highly selective. If she had an accident then on scree she likely survived the fall and lay dying while Dan waited 3 days to raise the alarm. OR, she didn't have an accident and a single bone has just appeared on a well-used track as if by magic.

 

[simonsays]

Now a bone has been confirmed as Esther, we know now, tragically, she's dead. But beyond that nothing's changed. Dan still doesn't have any kind of alibi (the cops don't have his phone or computer); he could easily have cycled, hitched, caught a bus (which goes through the village) or had access to a vehicle. He has no coherent explanation for why he waited 3 DAYS to report her missing! He denies Esther had left him, when Esther made this clear to a walker who's now given 3 police forces a statement. He's never produced any evidence for why he was so confident she would return on 25th when he also says she'd repeatedly delayed returning. He's always denied she left in a hurry when they'd just finished a very long trip and she'd had no plan to leave that day; and she slept in a lay-by an hour from him, then drove another hour the next day and stayed at a caravan site on her own for a whole week. He's said she was super-competent in the hills and could not have got lost while the local Search and Rescue folk have made it clear that her movements on the hill made no sense and that's why they don't know where to look for a body. If she had an accident, it was obviously because she got lost and out of her depth; the background is her wandering aimlessly, beyond her abilities, to stay away from the boyfriend she'd just left (and was hounding her to come back?). The few texts Dan has released are highly selective. If she had an accident then on scree she likely survived the fall and lay dying while Dan waited 3 days to raise the alarm. OR, she didn't have an accident and a single bone has just appeared on a well-used track as if by magic.

I think a few of your points are misleading or untrue. You seem to have read up on this case so I can't comment on the other details.

1. The statement that the walker gave to the police didn't say that she had left Dan. It said that she wasn't sure what was going to happen in their relationship. There was no definite break-up mentioned.

2. The route that Esther took was actually recommended by another hiker a few days earlier. She was following a route that had been recommended to her and not wandering around aimlessly.

 

[AlanB]

Now a bone has been confirmed as Esther, we know now, tragically, she's dead. But beyond that nothing's changed. Dan still doesn't have any kind of alibi (the cops don't have his phone or computer); ...

WHY don't the Police have his phone or computer ??? How is that possible ? If he is not giving them these then that is beyond suspicious...

I agree with you and have for some time, the bottom line is that it seems the Police have NOT ruled him out as a suspect and at this stage I think that is remarkable.

 

[palmer85]

This appears to be the case, one assumes moved by animals of some kind - the whole thing is very sad.

Now they have to find out where and how she died - and that doesn't look like it's going to be easy...

Note: palmer85, the partial skull bone was identified as being from Ms. Dingley, that's all it seems, the others are from animals. I believe it was suspicious to the runner because it was a skull or partial skull with hair.

Remains found in Pyrenees belong to missing hiker Esther Dingley

Human remains found in the search for British hiker Esther Dingley have been confirmed as being hers.

www.standard.co.uk

There is still a lot of work to do. That area had been searched and Dan has been up there searching, the bones can't have been well hidden for a runner to find them so when did they arrive there? why did no-one else see them? I'm sure they'll be doing a lot of work on them, eg are there animal marks on the bones? what were the other bones from (why is there a mixture of bones)? are there traces of larger animals in the area (bears, wolves)? How strange that someone goes missing, not a single trace of them and then some (one) bone is found in the same area they were in and still not a trace of the rest of them.

 

[AlanB]

I think a few of your points are misleading or untrue. You seem to have read up on this case so I can't comment on the other details.

1. The statement that the walker gave to the police didn't say that she had left Dan. It said that she wasn't sure what was going to happen in their relationship. There was no definite break-up mentioned.

2. The route that Esther took was actually recommended by another hiker a few days earlier. She was following a route that had been recommended to her and not wandering around aimlessly.

I don't think point 1. stands Simon, if Mr. Colegate is STILL claiming all was sweetness and light and Ms. Dingley told the walker she wasn't sure their 20 year relationship was going to survive - that is a VERY large difference.

I agree with you on point 2. that it is not quite fair that to say that she was wandering around aimlessly, but she certainly wasn't travelling with HIM and overall it doesn't look good does it ?